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I think there's one in NYC near Macy's, in a mall across the road from it...i remember it.
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different jacket?
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anyone know if she has to exercise or if that's really just how she looks naturally? just curious
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Commentary on Kate Moss
From the Sunday Herald:
‘Do we ever see Kate Moss freezing her butt off on the sidelines of a drizzly park while trying to coax little Lila Grace off the see-saw?’
Fiona Gibson
“Famous for being rich. Not a scrap of talent. Mercilessly pedalled by the fashion industry as some kind of icon. Pfff,” my friend Paul snorts in response to my flashing a magazine photo of Kate Moss under his nose while wittering on about Her Royal Gorgeousness. The mag in question is new weekly Grazia in which the writer gushes that Kate “works too many looks to dedicate herself exclusively to Boho. Of course, when she chooses to, she pulls it off with classic Moss panache.” It’s worth pointing out that the journalist is female. Glowing reports of Kate’s style, Kate’s hair, Kate’s date-’em-ditch-’em approach to boyfriends tend to be penned by women. Mention Kate to a man and his response hovers somewhere between indifference and downright hostility.
“Snotty looking princess,” one male colleague mutters, “who’s not even interesting enough to be beautiful.”
“She wears fur,” rants another friend. “What’s she thinking, poncing about in rabbit fur boots and a stole? She doesn’t have to. It’s her choice, and she should know better.”
“I thought she was vaguely interesting during her Corinne Day waif phase,” chips in Mark when I interrupt his high-powered day to ask whether he fancies Kate. “What’s cutting edge about her now? I mean, does she actually speak?” I point out that Kate ‘famously’ doesn’t give interviews, to which Mark retorts, “So we have an icon for a generation that doesn’t actually say anything. That shows how vacuous we’ve become.”
Well, excuse me. The whole point of models, surely, is to be looked at and admired, not to actually say anything. Things go horribly wrong when models start talking. Who can forget Linda Evangelista crowing, “I don’t get out of bed for less than $10,000 a day”? She has also wittered, “It was God who made me so beautiful. If I weren’t then I’d be a teacher,” and, “I can do anything you want me to so long as I don’t have to speak.” We’d rather they didn’t, actually, as your more humdrum model talk rarely strays from, “I eat chips three times a day”, “modelling is soooo boring” and “I was the gawky kid in high school and everyone hated me”.
Kate’s different. She says virtually nothing, apart from retorting, “I wear what I want to wear,” when questioned about that stole. “I can’t help liking her,” a (female) friend enthuses. “How could I not warm to a knock-kneed skinny-malinky from south London who’s just an inch taller than me?”
I like it that she doesn’t harp on about performing 8000 stomach crunches before breakfast, or brag that she consumes just one meal a day, and that her main goal health-wise is to “cut down on my smoking”. Plus, she makes no bones about the fact that doesn’t do anything much.
The Queen once asked her, “What do you have to do to be a model?”
“You just have to dress up really,” Ms Moss replied. Sure, there’s the minor matters of throwing parties, smoking loads of ****, hanging out with Stella McCartney, finding space in your closet for billions of free designer clothes and having your portrait painted by Lucien Freud – but how hard can that be?
Personally, I can’t help feeling that one of Kate’s major achievements is to ensure that having a child has not impacted on her swishy lifestyle one jot. Is Kate ever papped in Asda, hauling a purple-faced toddler away from the Kinder Egg display? Do we see her freezing her butt off on the sidelines of a drizzly park while trying to coax little Lila Grace off the see-saw? Is her “effortlessly Boho” look ever marred with sick, wee or Ribena spillages? Never mind acting as ‘muse’ to artists such as Tracy Emin and Sam Taylor-Wood, Kate’s talents would, I feel, be better served at parent and toddler groups in the form of inspiring talks about, “How to raise a child while displaying no outward signs that you’re actually a parent.” I mean, does the woman actually know how to collapse Lila’s buggy?
Another eerie Kate fact: all that, ahem, ‘partying’ has, rather unfairly, failed to give her skin the texture of a crumpled Tesco carrier bag. So what stops your average male from wishing to throw himself at her feet? Her teeny-weeny bosoms? Her funny little pixie face? Or the fact that she knocks around with achingly hip bands which, rather oddly, has my male friends seething in a – dare I say it – almost jealous kind of way?
Calvin Klein once declared that Kate “defines her generation”. My friend George, a plumber and closet Kate fan, puts it this way: “She has the kind of face that draws you in. She seems real, she’s up for a good time, and you get the feeling she wouldn’t look down on you.” George laughs, adding, “If Kate needs her pipes fixing, I’m her man.” At last: a non-international-fashion-designer-male who ‘gets’ Kate.
“Yeah,” he adds, “but then, I fancy anybody.”
Fiona Gibson’s novel Wonderboy is published by Flame, £10.99 20 March 2005
From the Sunday Herald:
‘Do we ever see Kate Moss freezing her butt off on the sidelines of a drizzly park while trying to coax little Lila Grace off the see-saw?’
Fiona Gibson
“Famous for being rich. Not a scrap of talent. Mercilessly pedalled by the fashion industry as some kind of icon. Pfff,” my friend Paul snorts in response to my flashing a magazine photo of Kate Moss under his nose while wittering on about Her Royal Gorgeousness. The mag in question is new weekly Grazia in which the writer gushes that Kate “works too many looks to dedicate herself exclusively to Boho. Of course, when she chooses to, she pulls it off with classic Moss panache.” It’s worth pointing out that the journalist is female. Glowing reports of Kate’s style, Kate’s hair, Kate’s date-’em-ditch-’em approach to boyfriends tend to be penned by women. Mention Kate to a man and his response hovers somewhere between indifference and downright hostility.
“Snotty looking princess,” one male colleague mutters, “who’s not even interesting enough to be beautiful.”
“She wears fur,” rants another friend. “What’s she thinking, poncing about in rabbit fur boots and a stole? She doesn’t have to. It’s her choice, and she should know better.”
“I thought she was vaguely interesting during her Corinne Day waif phase,” chips in Mark when I interrupt his high-powered day to ask whether he fancies Kate. “What’s cutting edge about her now? I mean, does she actually speak?” I point out that Kate ‘famously’ doesn’t give interviews, to which Mark retorts, “So we have an icon for a generation that doesn’t actually say anything. That shows how vacuous we’ve become.”
Well, excuse me. The whole point of models, surely, is to be looked at and admired, not to actually say anything. Things go horribly wrong when models start talking. Who can forget Linda Evangelista crowing, “I don’t get out of bed for less than $10,000 a day”? She has also wittered, “It was God who made me so beautiful. If I weren’t then I’d be a teacher,” and, “I can do anything you want me to so long as I don’t have to speak.” We’d rather they didn’t, actually, as your more humdrum model talk rarely strays from, “I eat chips three times a day”, “modelling is soooo boring” and “I was the gawky kid in high school and everyone hated me”.
Kate’s different. She says virtually nothing, apart from retorting, “I wear what I want to wear,” when questioned about that stole. “I can’t help liking her,” a (female) friend enthuses. “How could I not warm to a knock-kneed skinny-malinky from south London who’s just an inch taller than me?”
I like it that she doesn’t harp on about performing 8000 stomach crunches before breakfast, or brag that she consumes just one meal a day, and that her main goal health-wise is to “cut down on my smoking”. Plus, she makes no bones about the fact that doesn’t do anything much.
The Queen once asked her, “What do you have to do to be a model?”
“You just have to dress up really,” Ms Moss replied. Sure, there’s the minor matters of throwing parties, smoking loads of ****, hanging out with Stella McCartney, finding space in your closet for billions of free designer clothes and having your portrait painted by Lucien Freud – but how hard can that be?
Personally, I can’t help feeling that one of Kate’s major achievements is to ensure that having a child has not impacted on her swishy lifestyle one jot. Is Kate ever papped in Asda, hauling a purple-faced toddler away from the Kinder Egg display? Do we see her freezing her butt off on the sidelines of a drizzly park while trying to coax little Lila Grace off the see-saw? Is her “effortlessly Boho” look ever marred with sick, wee or Ribena spillages? Never mind acting as ‘muse’ to artists such as Tracy Emin and Sam Taylor-Wood, Kate’s talents would, I feel, be better served at parent and toddler groups in the form of inspiring talks about, “How to raise a child while displaying no outward signs that you’re actually a parent.” I mean, does the woman actually know how to collapse Lila’s buggy?
Another eerie Kate fact: all that, ahem, ‘partying’ has, rather unfairly, failed to give her skin the texture of a crumpled Tesco carrier bag. So what stops your average male from wishing to throw himself at her feet? Her teeny-weeny bosoms? Her funny little pixie face? Or the fact that she knocks around with achingly hip bands which, rather oddly, has my male friends seething in a – dare I say it – almost jealous kind of way?
Calvin Klein once declared that Kate “defines her generation”. My friend George, a plumber and closet Kate fan, puts it this way: “She has the kind of face that draws you in. She seems real, she’s up for a good time, and you get the feeling she wouldn’t look down on you.” George laughs, adding, “If Kate needs her pipes fixing, I’m her man.” At last: a non-international-fashion-designer-male who ‘gets’ Kate.
“Yeah,” he adds, “but then, I fancy anybody.”
Fiona Gibson’s novel Wonderboy is published by Flame, £10.99 20 March 2005
really.
some of you are prob too young to remember how widely kate was 'analyzed' during the waif-CK- early 90s ["heroin chic" - gag] era. the way people tried to use her as a bad example of something- it was sickening. the good news is CK etc made her arguably the most famous model of the 90s.
and it goes without saying that kate survived all that & much more - and she remains arguably the most famous model of this century too- no mean feat in a business that seems to select & replace new 'It' girls every season or 2 now.
analyzing kate? its over-done. I just put it this way- shes the greatest model of our lifetimes, the only model to eclipse twiggy as the most culturally pervasive model, and finally 13 years into her career, she STILL has better campaigns & edits than any model alive. and no 2005 girl will be able to say that 13 years from now. 'supermodels' come and go, but kate has achieved so much more than your cindy crawfords or linda's ever did, could or will.
the one think-piece that did accurately summarize kate's extraordinary & unmatched career was "W"'s amazing kate special 2 years ago- not because of the words in the issue but because of THE PICTURES- which explained better than any words ever could why is kate is so much the greatest model of our lifetimes. dont make me laugh by saying that any model of the last ten years is better or bigger than kate. no one in the fashion business would say so.
some of you are prob too young to remember how widely kate was 'analyzed' during the waif-CK- early 90s ["heroin chic" - gag] era. the way people tried to use her as a bad example of something- it was sickening. the good news is CK etc made her arguably the most famous model of the 90s.
and it goes without saying that kate survived all that & much more - and she remains arguably the most famous model of this century too- no mean feat in a business that seems to select & replace new 'It' girls every season or 2 now.
analyzing kate? its over-done. I just put it this way- shes the greatest model of our lifetimes, the only model to eclipse twiggy as the most culturally pervasive model, and finally 13 years into her career, she STILL has better campaigns & edits than any model alive. and no 2005 girl will be able to say that 13 years from now. 'supermodels' come and go, but kate has achieved so much more than your cindy crawfords or linda's ever did, could or will.
the one think-piece that did accurately summarize kate's extraordinary & unmatched career was "W"'s amazing kate special 2 years ago- not because of the words in the issue but because of THE PICTURES- which explained better than any words ever could why is kate is so much the greatest model of our lifetimes. dont make me laugh by saying that any model of the last ten years is better or bigger than kate. no one in the fashion business would say so.Interesting article.
Whenever I speak of Kate to people I realise that she's only huge in the fashion world (here in France ) .
People vaguely know her name . You often have to show a picture of her.
To me Kate represents the end of the supermodels , the moment when fashion ceased to interest the mainstream.
I'm not saying she's not a good model because she's awesome but for the mainstream she's less famous than Claudia, Naomi, Cindy ect...
She's definitly not a star or an icon outside the fashion world. (I'm still speaking for the France I know she's huge in England)
Last week I watched a tv report about the press and the editor of the french vogue and the editors\directors of other mags were there.
He talked about the supermodels issue of french vogue and they tried to understand why nobody knows these "supermodels" outside the fashion world. They all agreed that they wouldn't put them on their cover because the mainstream isn't interested.
They mentionned Kate too. Kate was the last supermodel.
She was the face of the heroin chic and dated Johnny Depp but even if she's still great people stilll associate her with her past.
Where do you live Lady Grey? I'm curious to know because Kate must be pretty huge there if she eclipses Twiggy. There's no luck it's gonna happen here.
Whenever I speak of Kate to people I realise that she's only huge in the fashion world (here in France ) .
People vaguely know her name . You often have to show a picture of her.
To me Kate represents the end of the supermodels , the moment when fashion ceased to interest the mainstream.
I'm not saying she's not a good model because she's awesome but for the mainstream she's less famous than Claudia, Naomi, Cindy ect...
She's definitly not a star or an icon outside the fashion world. (I'm still speaking for the France I know she's huge in England)
Last week I watched a tv report about the press and the editor of the french vogue and the editors\directors of other mags were there.
He talked about the supermodels issue of french vogue and they tried to understand why nobody knows these "supermodels" outside the fashion world. They all agreed that they wouldn't put them on their cover because the mainstream isn't interested.
They mentionned Kate too. Kate was the last supermodel.
She was the face of the heroin chic and dated Johnny Depp but even if she's still great people stilll associate her with her past.
Where do you live Lady Grey? I'm curious to know because Kate must be pretty huge there if she eclipses Twiggy. There's no luck it's gonna happen here.
us - uk
Im in nyc ny usa.
you raise an interesting point though that the us & uk fashion worlds are somewhat symbiotic-linked.
its also interesting that youre aware that twiggy is still among the most famous models ever, decades after the fact.
imo twiggy was pretty much equally famous in uk & us. england first though.
kate seems to be even more famous in uk than in usa but i still hold to my opinion that shes more famous [and a much more important model] than schiffer, linda, naomi, turly, cindy etc- and still going & getting bigger.
I cant emphasize how huge the 'waif/CK/heroin' debate was in usa in early 90s- it made kates name at least in america as big or bigger than any other model. and she has continued for 13 more years of work & headlines while turly, linda, schiffer etc are like footnotes in people magazine , not covergirls & ad superstars like kate is- and no stopping.
but still these opinions can be geographically effected- obvs laeticia casta & estelle hallyday are superstars in france but estelle is unknown here except among serious model fans like 1990-94 I guess.
since youre in france you have to admit that kate was/is huge with chanel, dior & other french-euro labels [burberry, cavalli & many more] - I think youre possibly under-rating her french-europe fame but then again you live there & I dont.
kates lovelife from depp through to pete d seems to be front page news for 10 years now- I dont think any other model is anywhere near that.
Im in nyc ny usa.
you raise an interesting point though that the us & uk fashion worlds are somewhat symbiotic-linked.
its also interesting that youre aware that twiggy is still among the most famous models ever, decades after the fact.
imo twiggy was pretty much equally famous in uk & us. england first though.
kate seems to be even more famous in uk than in usa but i still hold to my opinion that shes more famous [and a much more important model] than schiffer, linda, naomi, turly, cindy etc- and still going & getting bigger.
I cant emphasize how huge the 'waif/CK/heroin' debate was in usa in early 90s- it made kates name at least in america as big or bigger than any other model. and she has continued for 13 more years of work & headlines while turly, linda, schiffer etc are like footnotes in people magazine , not covergirls & ad superstars like kate is- and no stopping.
but still these opinions can be geographically effected- obvs laeticia casta & estelle hallyday are superstars in france but estelle is unknown here except among serious model fans like 1990-94 I guess.
since youre in france you have to admit that kate was/is huge with chanel, dior & other french-euro labels [burberry, cavalli & many more] - I think youre possibly under-rating her french-europe fame but then again you live there & I dont.
kates lovelife from depp through to pete d seems to be front page news for 10 years now- I dont think any other model is anywhere near that.
Thanks for your answer Lady Grey.
I don't think I'm underrating the french fame of Kate.
I'm myself amazed that she's not more famous.
Of course everyone has seen her one day or another because of her campaigns but most people don't know her name.
She's just a model amongst the others for the mainstream
I agree with you that she's a better model than Shiffer, Turlington, Naomi ect but the fact is that here in France people still recall their names.
For example Claudia is still tabloid material and was on the covers of magazines recently when she had her baby (it was even anonced on the radio!)whereas Kate will only be mentionned every now and then in a snippet (footnote?) at the end of a tabloid or a mainstream mag.
Her lovelife was frontpage news when she dated Johnny Depp but since then people no longer care .
My point was that even though Kate is arguably the biggest model in the world here in France she's not a star as the supermodels were,and still are to some extent.
I don't think any other working model is bigger than Kate (Gisele is more known by the mainstream because of Leo though) but since the 90's the models have lost their stars quality.
I don't think I'm underrating the french fame of Kate.
I'm myself amazed that she's not more famous.
Of course everyone has seen her one day or another because of her campaigns but most people don't know her name.
She's just a model amongst the others for the mainstream
I agree with you that she's a better model than Shiffer, Turlington, Naomi ect but the fact is that here in France people still recall their names.
For example Claudia is still tabloid material and was on the covers of magazines recently when she had her baby (it was even anonced on the radio!)whereas Kate will only be mentionned every now and then in a snippet (footnote?) at the end of a tabloid or a mainstream mag.
Her lovelife was frontpage news when she dated Johnny Depp but since then people no longer care .
My point was that even though Kate is arguably the biggest model in the world here in France she's not a star as the supermodels were,and still are to some extent.
I don't think any other working model is bigger than Kate (Gisele is more known by the mainstream because of Leo though) but since the 90's the models have lost their stars quality.
Jadee said:Thanks for your answer Lady Grey.
I don't think I'm underrating the french fame of Kate.
I'm myself amazed that she's not more famous.
Of course everyone has seen her one day or another because of her campaigns but most people don't know her name.
She's just a model amongst the others for the mainstream
I agree with you that she's a better model than Shiffer, Turlington, Naomi ect but the fact is that here in France people still recall their names.
For example Claudia is still tabloid material and was on the covers of magazines recently when she had her baby (it was even anonced on the radio!)whereas Kate will only be mentionned every now and then in a snippet (footnote?) at the end of a tabloid or a mainstream mag.
Her lovelife was frontpage news when she dated Johnny Depp but since then people no longer care .
My point was that even though Kate is arguably the biggest model in the world here in France she's not a star as the supermodels were,and still are to some extent.
I don't think any other working model is bigger than Kate (Gisele is more known by the mainstream because of Leo though) but since the 90's the models have lost their stars quality.
I think you have the right point.. The models really lost their stars quality, that's for sure... Kate was and is big in the fashion-industry but the mainstream look different to supermodels then people who are more concerned in the fashion-industry, that's the point. It's like the heroin-chic look, in fashion it was a big-thing but the mainstream doesn't see that and they prefer the 'normal beauty' looking models like claudia, naomi etc. Those names are still very big because they were models in a time that modelling became a hot issue. They had the beauty that the mainstream really liked, and they became kind of stars. Nowadays that's totally different, the looks are more edgy etc and many people don't see their model-stars of the 90s like claudia, cindy, naomi etc back... Although I like the models nowadays much more
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Jadee said:
Agreed. This was a very interesting article and you guys are having a subsequently interesting discussion
Kate Moss is definately one of the only supermodels in my opinion, but I agree that she isn't mainstream in the same way that Cindy, Linda, Claudia, Christy and Naomi were. I could ask anyone if they know Cindy and everyone would know, but that's not the case with Kate Moss.
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this article is such ABSOLUTE drivel bullsh*t.
whomever she is, this Fiona person is NOT a journalist. and though i wouldn't expect any piece of "real" news to ever appear in the sunday herald, the fact is this piece is nothing more than a souped-up letter to the editor. every single source is one of her "friends". and unless she's a fashion writer first and formost, how would she have so many coleagues and friends that can speak soooooooo clearly and fluently about kate moss?? "i thought she was interesting in her corinne day waif phase" ----- WHAT?? what male outside of the fashion industry would say that??
and let's say for the sake of it, she DOES work in fashion. she IS a fashion journalist. how can she possibly consider herself an actual journalist when she attempts to portray a "general" opinion of kate moss, by only speaking with imaginary friends in the veerrrrrry specific group of fashion industry people? and WHY would a newspaper actually print such a piece of sh*t story, with ZERO actual reporting, anyway?
the whole mess is really quite sad. and i honestly believe that this article is worth nothing more than the opinion of the woman writing it. so basically NOTHING.
whomever she is, this Fiona person is NOT a journalist. and though i wouldn't expect any piece of "real" news to ever appear in the sunday herald, the fact is this piece is nothing more than a souped-up letter to the editor. every single source is one of her "friends". and unless she's a fashion writer first and formost, how would she have so many coleagues and friends that can speak soooooooo clearly and fluently about kate moss?? "i thought she was interesting in her corinne day waif phase" ----- WHAT?? what male outside of the fashion industry would say that??
and let's say for the sake of it, she DOES work in fashion. she IS a fashion journalist. how can she possibly consider herself an actual journalist when she attempts to portray a "general" opinion of kate moss, by only speaking with imaginary friends in the veerrrrrry specific group of fashion industry people? and WHY would a newspaper actually print such a piece of sh*t story, with ZERO actual reporting, anyway?
the whole mess is really quite sad. and i honestly believe that this article is worth nothing more than the opinion of the woman writing it. so basically NOTHING.
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