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Maison Margiela Artisanal Haute Couture F/W 2025.26 Paris

Does everything has to be about a comparison though.
This can also be good for what it is.

Nevertheless, Margiela is not the place where I expect to see plissés millefeuilles, Or preservation of Couture technique or that kind of Artisanat.

Maybe things will evolve regarding the ambitions they have with this line. Essentially, John used that platform to mostly make reproductions of his past work and Redcarpet looks. And for him Artisanal was working in an empirique way as the inspiration was diluted in RTW.

I need to see this in the new environment. For now it’s just one collection.

I’m sorry I can’t judge Margiela Artisanal like Chanel or Dior. They don’t have the same purpose.

Comparison to Galliano, or Demna?

Both instances are fair comparisons: Galliano’s wasn’t all classic couturier’s traditions and respected Margiela’s artisanal signature without relying on the label's caricatures; and Demna’s also had that bad habit of filler looks alongside the killer ones. Even Glen’s best— the golden metallic gown, vaguely resembles one from Galliano’s Dior days.

I suppose I'm just tired of Glen's too obvious references recycles, as pretty as some may be (while the majority look like somethings that require a tetanus shot after wearing it).

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Its just too glamorous and schiaparelli surreal in approach to be Margiela version of artisanal and surreal play (part of margielas work as well)

That's one main issue apart from it looking cheap is that it's trying to be glamours and compete with the channels and diors via this new schiaparelli glamour decay vibe.

Margiela code and foundation is deconstruction and reconstruction and abstracting size and portions and illusion but it always started with a ready made existing item.

Glen lost this as he got into designing and not examining garments and remaking it into something new which is again the foundation of the house.

if all these designers keep mixing other houses hype to be an quick success we just end up with all these weak waterdown similar outcomes.

before deciding where to take it first understand the alphabet of the house it should not be looking like diesel couture with maks by margiela collab.

his y project was more margiela then this at times also stop relying on these tromploi over printed effects ist been now over 10 years !?
 
^To be fair though it's fully Renzo Rosso's Margiela now. He knows he does not have the PR budget of the other big companies so he pushes his brands' shows to be as loud and potentially viral as possible. I don't think quotidian deconstructed Belgian charm with exacting tailoring would make noise with the current Margiela customer who thinks taking flash photos of things shoved into the slit of their tabi shoe is still/was ever cool.

All the gowns and glamour is just there to sell more red carpet moments and the fragrances that L'Oreal is pushing very heavily.
 
The company now plans to take customer orders for its Artisanal line, its equivalent of couture. That wasn’t possible during the Galliano years, unfortunately, because the company didn’t have the structure. About 30 people have booked appointments.
-From Cathy Horyn's review

“He’s like a school, not a designer,” Glenn Martens said, referring to Martin Margiela, whose work for both his own label and Hermès has influenced a great many designers. Margiela long ago retired and sold his brand to Renzo Rosso of the OTB Group, which also owns Marni, Jil Sander, and Diesel. John Galliano designed the Artisanal collection for Margiela for a decade until last year. His January 2024 collection, held under a bridge in Paris at night, was one of the most talked-about shows in recent history.


Maison Margiela is now in Martens’s hands. A few days before his debut, on Wednesday, Martens, best known for his work with Diesel and the former Y/Project label, said he had to consider the fact that Margiela had already been interpreted by many designers. He was in his native Bruges last Christmas thinking about a difference he could make, at least as a start. He told me, “Martin always had a gloominess. I wanted that austerity. Everything’s kind of in a rainy fog.”


In Bruges, Martens visited museums and historical places, looking at art and architecture, mostly from the 16th and 17th centuries. The gloom of European long winters was easy to find, as were the texture and hues of Renaissance wallpapering techniques in embossed leather. That idea, its peeling layers and faded colors, led Martens and his team to create a similar effect with paper, making photocopies of images, collaging them, ripping them, and sometimes putting candle wax on them. Or perhaps a coat of varnish. The base layer of those garments was usually leather.


Even at close range, with touch, it was hard to make out the origin of the materials. For the show, in an underground series of rooms, Martens had the walls papered in the same crumbling tones; had the audience not been between the models and the walls, you’d swear some of the models — their heads covered with helmetlike masks made of metal and reclaimed beads and crystals — were specters suddenly emerging from the walls, Flemish history animated.


Martens attempted to retain some of Margiela’s conceptual purity (you could say) by keeping his shapes relatively simple and somewhat in line with early Margiela — his long wrap skirts with basic cloth ties and his plain, almost drab knits. He often used everyday things, like clear plastic garment bags (the kind used in factories), recycled fabrics and fur coats, synthetic wig hair, and the elements of a Stockman dress form, to mention just a few objects that helped Margiela transform people’s perceptions about dress. He was also history-minded, alive to the sartorial connections to different periods.





Martens’s first collection certainly had some of that spirit and a great deal of his own maximalist passion for material techniques. These included a golden wad of a dress made from computer wires, a fabric produced by a Swiss textile-maker, and a number of plastic styles, some draped or wadded and then contained in a dome of plastic. These seemed more of an academic exercise than a resolved proposition. They didn’t push anything forward, in my view, and I can imagine they must be bloody hot, a heat dome.




The garments made of collaged paper on leather were more convincing, as were a kind of Grim Reaper cloak in hand-painted canvas and a superb gown, super plain and fitted through the bodice, in black polyester. I generally liked most of his lighter-weight dresses, in both murky and pale colors, with 3-D embellishment in the same hues.





But the rigidity and weight of many of the clothes were counter to Margiela’s principle of things being worn in the streets, however new and strange they looked. That would be an interesting challenge to Martens, to make these Artisanal pieces also real.


The company now plans to take customer orders for its Artisanal line, its equivalent of couture. That wasn’t possible during the Galliano years, unfortunately, because the company didn’t have the structure. About 30 people have booked appointments.
 
I wonder how many of these pieces are intentionally designed to look this way and actually involve some technique — or if they’re just applications or paint that you’d expect to crack, peel or loose its shape after one or two wears. I’m not expecting them to survive a wash, but do they even last more than three wears?

Not to mention transport through different climates or being sold at auction 30 years from now.



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^To be fair though it's fully Renzo Rosso's Margiela now. He knows he does not have the PR budget of the other big companies so he pushes his brands' shows to be as loud and potentially viral as possible. I don't think quotidian deconstructed Belgian charm with exacting tailoring would make noise with the current Margiela customer who thinks taking flash photos of things shoved into the slit of their tabi shoe is still/was ever cool.

All the gowns and glamour is just there to sell more red carpet moments and the fragrances that L'Oreal is pushing very heavily.
if Balenciaga and Hodakova gets viral moments with margiela reconstruction of garments etc why not margiela the brand itself

if this below is not more margiela than what we saw i rest my case , i am sure there is a modern margiela way to do
L´Oreal approved red carpet pieces that stay relevant for margiela.

The need might be there from L´Oreal its ok but it does not justify the way glenn did it.


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i will take the pens and belts over this glen burnt house debacle of trash (and i know he is a nice guy )
 
-From Cathy Horyn's review

But the rigidity and weight of many of the clothes were counter to Margiela’s principle of things being worn in the streets, however new and strange they looked. That would be an interesting challenge to Martens, to make these Artisanal pieces also real.

Thank you Cathy Horyn for saying it so clearly above

no wonder thy will produce more :
it's cheaper to make like a said a corporate collection for HC..............rtw pieces with heat transfer layer on knit and paint etc
 
i hate that i enjoyed his diesel since i have really low expectations from a brand like that. And now all i can see are evening wear/gown versions of what he does at diesel.

Put a face cover in the lewks and call it a day.

That said... coming right aftter Galliano was an impossible task specially coming after that huge show. I think he will come to his own and find a way to elevate his couture/artisinal language. This is still better than many of what we see these days.
 
I wonder how many of these pieces are intentionally designed to look this way and actually involve some technique — or if they’re just applications or paint that you’d expect to crack, peel or loose its shape after one or two wears. I’m not expecting them to survive a wash, but do they even last more than three wears?

Not to mention transport through different climates or being sold at auction 30 years from now.



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But wasn't this always a Margiela thing? When Margiela did the painted pieces (shoes, jeans, etc)? The paint wasn't meant to be permanent.
 
It's a solid debut but also underwhelming. Again, as I said with Michael Rider, it's tough to follow a juggernaut designer like John, especially after his last show. While I wasn't always a fan of John's Margiela, he did manage to make it his own and in that way, I think it was very successful. As a house founded on creativity, craft, and artistic integrity, John ticked all those boxes, so it's no surprise that people really were quite moved by his work because he put his head down and put out collections that were genuinely strange, explored different techniques, and felt less centered on product that looks like Margiela and more on about products that were actually innovative.

I believe Glenn has it in him to do something interesting but I worry this feels too on the nose. It's what we've seen in the 2010s. It's almost like what has happened at Helmut Lang where the reference of Helmut is used as the starting point.

I'm trying not to be pessimistic but I do hope he is able to relax and be less concerned about getting it right.
 
It's a solid debut but also underwhelming. Again, as I said with Michael Rider, it's tough to follow a juggernaut designer like John, especially after his last show. While I wasn't always a fan of John's Margiela, he did manage to make it his own and in that way, I think it was very successful. As a house founded on creativity, craft, and artistic integrity, John ticked all those boxes, so it's no surprise that people really were quite moved by his work because he put his head down and put out collections that were genuinely strange, explored different techniques, and felt less centered on product that looks like Margiela and more on about products that were actually innovative.

I believe Glenn has it in him to do something interesting but I worry this feels too on the nose. It's what we've seen in the 2010s. It's almost like what has happened at Helmut Lang where the reference of Helmut is used as the starting point.

I'm trying not to be pessimistic but I do hope he is able to relax and be less concerned about getting it right.
he should start with the foundation of the house: garments, construction, a idea ...not with fabric manipulation and embellishments and trying to be viral
 

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