MDC (Models.com) Rankings

[congacon]

Also Chanel and Giorgio armani are some of the few privately owned brands. Not that that affects advertising but it's about prestige. For example everyone can own a piece of Calvin Klein through underwear or t-shirts, but few people can own genuine chanel garments. That's why brands like YSL, Chanel and Dior make most of their money from cosmetics, fragrances and jewellery. Also Francisco Costa isn't as legendary as Karl Lagerfeld. Francisco doesn't seem to show much loyalty to models except Natalia, and even that's over. I don't think F.C. even does the casting for his own show. Being chosen by Lagerfeld for a show or campaign means he's singled you out as his favourite, and his aesthetic really matters to the fashion industry and being in with Karl usually means longevity and repeat booking because he's loyal to his models, but it's rare for him to let a new girl into his inner circle.

Private or public firm that is not a factor to consider a firm's prestige. As a brand, Chanel is definitely has more prestige than CK but when it comes to modeling contract CK exclusive contract is way more prestige than Chanel contracts. A CK exclusive contract put u on the modeling map, it brings you lots of fame. When you look at models like Kate Moss, Christy Turlington, Natalia, you'll associate them with CK more than any other brands.

An exclusive CK contract guarantee u a modeling job for a few years and of course a big fat cheque(who would say no to money). And when you are with a big brand like CK for a few years, you will get a lot of attention as a model. Fame takes time to establish rather than having one huge contract for one season and disappear the next like the case of so many model, eg Heidi Mount,Cat Mcneils, and endless other models. Sasha wouldnt be that big if she didn't get that long term exclusive Prada contract. A regular Prada contract doesnt guarantee a model anything as evidences by cases of so many Prada models lately, but an exclusive long term contract is a totally different story(Sasha's).

Bottom line, one must be silly to argue that a regular Chanel campaign is more prestigious than an exclusive CK long-term campaign.

I dont know about CK woman underwear contract, but for the male models having an underwear contract with any of the big brands like CK, Dolce&Gabbana, Armani is considered as the biggest prize in the male fashion industry. Just because they are underwear that doesnt mean they are not prestigious. An underwear contract guarantee u a job for a few seasons, big fat cheque to pay your bills and fame. Tell me if a male model doesnt want that. An underwear contract give you a stable high paying job, unlike working for Prada, Givenchy or whatever brands one season and disappear in the thin air the next season.

 

[rockangel]

certainly, Joan's spot is well deserved, she still doesn't score Vogue covers...but she is unstoppable in print work..especially under the tutelage de Miss Anna Wintour.= success!

and the same goes to Anja, following Arizona, she scored the highest number of points with her print work during the last months. imo, she should be in a higher range, at number 2.

and definitely, lindsey w should be higher...16 is unfair for her. but really unfair are Anna J, jamie b and anna s ranks..and miranda, lily d and jessica stam should be lower.....

 

[Legolas]

^ Stam's out already

 

[OllieJE]

Private or public firm that is not a factor to consider a firm's prestige. As a brand, Chanel is definitely has more prestige than CK but when it comes to modeling contract CK exclusive contract is way more prestige than Chanel contracts. A CK exclusive contract put u on the modeling map, it brings you lots of fame. When you look at models like Kate Moss, Christy Turlington, Natalia, you'll associate them with CK more than any other brands.

An exclusive CK contract guarantee u a modeling job for a few years and of course a big fat cheque(who would say no to money). And when you are with a big brand like CK for a few years, you will get a lot of attention as a model. Fame takes time to establish rather than having one huge contract for one season and disappear the next like the case of so many model, eg Heidi Mount,Cat Mcneils, and endless other models. Sasha wouldnt be that big if she didn't get that long term exclusive Prada contract. A regular Prada contract doesnt guarantee a model anything as evidences by cases of so many Prada models lately, but an exclusive long term contract is a totally different story(Sasha's).

Bottom line, one must be silly to argue that a regular Chanel campaign is more prestigious than an exclusive CK long-term campaign.

I dont know about CK woman underwear contract, but for the male models having an underwear contract with any of the big brands like CK, Dolce&Gabbana, Armani is considered as the biggest prize in the male fashion industry. Just because they are underwear that doesnt mean they are not prestigious. An underwear contract guarantee u a job for a few seasons, big fat cheque to pay your bills and fame. Tell me if a male model doesnt want that. An underwear contract give you a stable high paying job, unlike working for Prada, Givenchy or whatever brands one season and disappear in the thin air the next season.

What about Jamie dornan, and Garrett Neff? their CK underwear AD caused a stir like Travis Fimmel did a long time ago, and they are fading just like Travis, tbh , I think the only successful CK underwear male model's actually a singer and actor,Marky Mark, and that AD's really win win case for both Calvin Klein and Mark Wahlberg, it's all because Mark's smart enough to pursue an acting career and succeeded and his success 's been used to exaggerate this brand, and all this leads to an illusion for the other male models , making believe CK's huge enough to assure their fame and fortune.

 

[congacon]

What about Jamie dornan, and Garrett Neff? their CK underwear AD caused a stir like Travis Fimmel did a long time ago, and they are fading just like Travis, tbh , I think the only successful CK underwear male model's actually a singer and actor,Marky Mark, and that AD's really win win case for both Calvin Klein and Mark Wahlberg, it's all because Mark's smart enough to pursue an acting career and succeeded and his success 's been used to exaggerate this brand, and all this leads to an illusion for the other male models , making believe CK's huge enough to assure their fame and fortune.

you see, when an underwear contract is mentioned then u know a bout travis kimmel and garret neff and jamie dornan right away. tell me if u remember who were the male models for dior, gucci, or prada since 5 or six years ago? u probably wont be able to? but u remember travis kimmel right away, he was famous for the ck under for at least 3 or 4 years. i remember he was everywhre those days. he got the media attention bc of that.

one successfull male modeling career is not determined by one underwear contract but one underwear contract is a huge push for their career. it allows them to stay in the industry for at least a few years. then fame and money that goes along with it.

here are some of the famous faces of underwear models that got public recognition in the past and the present(just to name a few

mark walberg(no one forget him as the ck underwear model, and his fame as a model made the transition for him to the film industry smoother)

antonio sabarto jr (he was the most talk about model of his era due to his underwear contract with ck)

tyson(ralph lauren, dont u think tyson becomes a celebrity bc of this underwear contract?)

david ganhi(dolce gabbana, and he's a big celebrity in the uk)

jamie jordnan(he was in the public eyes for at least 3 or 4 years, and that is considered a long time in this industry).

how much do u think rafael nadal, david beckham, the other swedish soccer player who modeled for ck underwear make compared to lets say a rtw gucci or dior collection?

i dont remember any male model who featured in just one or two rtw dior or gucci's collection got famous in a way an underwear contracts do within that short period of time. it takes at least 10 to 15 blue chip campaigns for them to last longer than an average male model in the industry but it only takes one huge underwear contract with ck, armani, or dolce and gabbana.

 

[Whats Ur Name]

Trust me I love Lindsey, but she isn't getting nearly the work Joan is.

It's pretty obvious once Lara goes how the #1's are going to fall, Lara - Freja - Joan - Arizona.

What do u mean?? She has 4 campaigns this season and Joan has 3... so what am i missing here??

 

[OllieJE]

you see, when an underwear contract is mentioned then u know a bout travis kimmel and garret neff and jamie dornan right away. tell me if u remember who were the male models for dior, gucci, or prada since 5 or six years ago? u probably wont be able to? but u remember travis kimmel right away, he was famous for the ck under for at least 3 or 4 years. i remember he was everywhre those days. he got the media attention bc of that.

one successfull male modeling career is not determined by one underwear contract but one underwear contract is a huge push for their career. it allows them to stay in the industry for at least a few years. then fame and money that goes along with it.

here are some of the famous faces of underwear models that got public recognition in the past and the present(just to name a few

mark walberg(no one forget him as the ck underwear model, and his fame as a model made the transition for him to the film industry smoother)

antonio sabarto jr (he was the most talk about model of his era due to his underwear contract with ck)

tyson(ralph lauren, dont u think tyson becomes a celebrity bc of this underwear contract?)

david ganhi(dolce gabbana, and he's a big celebrity in the uk)

jamie jordnan(he was in the public eyes for at least 3 or 4 years, and that is considered a long time in this industry).

how much do u think rafael nadal, david beckham, the other swedish soccer player who modeled for ck underwear make compared to lets say a rtw gucci or dior collection?

i dont remember any male model who featured in just one or two rtw dior or gucci's collection got famous in a way an underwear contracts do within that short period of time. it takes at least 10 to 15 blue chip campaigns for them to last longer than an average male model in the industry but it only takes one huge underwear contract with ck, armani, or dolce and gabbana.

I remember Travis because of his sexy body but not for whatever cloth he's on( I must admit I knew him from some adult forum), and in fact , I'd rather seeing him in his birth suit.
I assume the marky AD will not be mentioned so often if he didn't make it to the present big stardom, anyway CK hired him when he's already famous as a singer, and the point is not only his alluring or bold pose but also his fame makes this ad a classic piece, I guess CK must be so proud that they made a excellent choice
and gotta correct you that both rafael and David Beckham did not model for CK but for Armani , you must've checked their 6 pack abs or could I say croth too much time and forgot to see the brand?

 

[carmen_kass]

congacon, you keep mentioning how a long term ck contract is better than a regular chanel campaign, but after natalia who has had a long term ck campaign? Toni, suvi, anna selezneva and jac all had ck contracts but it didn't bring them any fame or media attention. Freja, heidi, stella, claudia, brad kroening, karen elson christy and baptiste have all had long term relationships with chanel and have done multiple campaigns for the brand as well as work for karl's other labels. The benefits of a chanel campaign under karl lagerfeld seem greater and much more exclusive. Of course that's just my opinion, i don't know how much a chanel campaign pays but it can't be much less than ck.
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[Forrest]

^I think the big thing is that Lara is exclusive for CK as OG, she gets way more money then Freja for Chanel. Also Lara got therefor unlike Jac campaigns as LV, also CK, Givenchy, JPG etc. However it seems obvious that Lara is number 1 right now and Freja will be the next. I think it's more worth to talk about number 2 since Freja shared that with Natasha and Anja still number 3. In my opinion Freja should be there alone consider the 3 campaigns she did last year and two Vogue Italia covers.

Also Natalia is a icon now and still got some good campaigns, like two seasona ago LV. And what's Heidi doing right now?

As none of us works in the industry (people who are discussing it) maybe some one who works can answer this

 

[agee]

This discussion is proving my point and that is that the epic, star making campaigns and TV spots related to Calvin Klein contract models have to do with the underwear (and that is mostly men) and other commercial lines and to a lesser extent fragrance, which makes it no different than having a Victoria's Secret, Estee Lauder or Lancome contract and the appropriate place to acknowledge this is the Money Girls list, and if applicable the Sexiest and Icons lists. If all the arguments being made about the Calvin Klein contract were relevant, then models like Valentina, Arlenis, Doutzen, Alessandra and Hilary would be placed higher on the list, if they are on the list at all, and correct me if I'm wrong models like Hilary and Doutzen dropped in rankings or were completely removed when their output declined after they signed contracts. So of the people currently on the list, Lara is most comparable to Alessandra and Arlenis, who are ranked 24 and 25 respectively, however, Lara's print work is for more prestigious publications and therefore that should put her definitely in Top 15 of the Women's list, if not the Top 10. Lara's distinction when it comes to the MDC rankings is that she is a triple threat, and that is that she deserves to be on (and probably fairly highly placed on) the Money Girls, Sexiest and Women's (or Icons) lists.

 

[Forrest]

But you forget to metion that Lara got all the lines of CK and is OG unlike Doutzen who only did White Label and parfume.. For sure that Lara is OG and got all the lines got a big impact. Lara work is way more prestigious and let's not forget the many cover, OG ed in US Vogue and campaigns before CK. Lara was epic before CK (campaigns like LV OG proves that and the whole vogue paris issue). So I guess for some models you're right, but in Lara case not IMO.

Doutzen got commercial and is therefore dropped I guess.. She only does VS, parfume CK, Repeat, L'oreal and sometimes a ed but not in Vogue Paris, Vogue Italia or something.

Lara is listed 1 at the womanlist, 13 at the moneygirls and 9 at the sexiest models. I wouldn't compare her to Allessandra and Arlenis, she got way more personality and is a much better model IMO.

Doutzen was at a time 5 or something?

But I don't get why you want to prove your point so much? I rather talk about why Natasha is number 2 with Freja? and why isn't Melissa T on this list?

 

[alonsoJonathan]

doutzen was number 3 tide with julia s.

 

[agee]

I don't know why OG (and IIRC, Lara is only OG for Calvi Klein's mainline) is such a big deal when comparing Freja's campaign work to Lara's. What is more impressive, holding your own in campaigns with Stella, Ines, Raquel and Kristen or doing a studio shoot with the same photographers with the same vibe that you've been doing in recent years?

My reference to Doutzen was not specifically about Calvin Klein, but I am making the same point about Lara that you made about Doutzen, and that is that Lara has gone commercial too and like Doutzen, the appropriate place to account for that kind is on the Money Girls list which Lara is already on, but since she is not 100% commercial she also has a place on the Women's (or Icons') list, but on the Women's list there are others with similar or stronger bodies of work who are doing a greater quantity of high quality high fashion work at this time.

For the record I think that Lara's Calvin Klein campaigns are great and I am a much bigger fan of Lara's recent work than Freja's. Nevertheless, I don't think that you can go around building an argument around who is the "better model" or who is more "epic," because in the short-term that is a matter of opinion and taste unless something major happens like an ad or commercial became a sensation and the model became a media sensation too as a result. Also, if "epic" and "better model" were factors, then the quantity and diversity of photographers, designers / brands and editors that Freja has worked with would weigh heavily in her favor.

Finally, quite a few of us here are trying to "prove [our] point" and other than my previous comment and the comment when I joined in an existing discussion, I have been responding to comments, and with that, unless I am responding to something directed at me, I am out of this iteration of this discussion.

 

[Forrest]

Well.. You get more points as OG I believe and also better paid, that's what i've been told. I should have been more specific: OG in Prada parfume, Versus, Ck mainline (incl. vid).
But, i give it a rest. I get what you mean, I just see in otherwise.
Epic is such a wrong word indeed, sorry for that and a better model is IMO. i have nothing against Freja either, or Natasha or or or..

Btw. Sometimes it's hard to understand what you mean, i can English but if someone from VS or UK got a whole story i can't follow it all the time so sometimes I really misunderstood you I guess

 

[carmen_kass]

i think it's just a point of view, if one girl fits the aesthetic of your line enough that as a designer you can trust her to do it alone? If you can trust her the assumption is she's a competant model who can stand alone. However sometimes designers love a model like ricardo and mcb or lagerfeld and freja but you feel the images need new blood so you add girls like daphne or abbey/heidi, or the designer shows loyalty to girls like stella or claudia and uses them as well. Freja and maria carla have done only girl campaigns for chanel and givenchy respectively, but doing a multi girl campaign doesn't mean all is lost. Depends who the model is?

 

[ParisFashionMuse]

wait comparing the work to lara stone and freja to Joan? retract that statement because joan will fall off soon enough

 

[alonsoJonathan]

^^^^lol i love joan but i agree!
like a said before not any model dont matter how it you are(joan,daphne,arizona)cant compare to veterans like natasha,anja,freja,lara in work not even with coco or jessica who have been working more the 5 years(editorials,cover,runway,campaigns).
i mean c'mon

 

[ParisFashionMuse]

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[greenholic]

TOP 50 Men


Flop:
(44- *) Cole Mohr | Peak:#12
(32- *) Benoni Loos | Peak:#23
(08- *) Jon Kortajarena | Peak:#03

Jump:
6 Places:
(31-25) Francisco Lachowski
4 Places:
(26-22) Vladimir Ivanov
3 Places:
(20-17) Josh Beech
2 Places:
(21-19) Corey Baptiste
(17-15) Alexander Johansson
(15-13) Marcel Castenmiller
(13-11) Andrej Pejic
1 Place:
(13-12) Adrien Sahores
(11-10) Yuri Pleskun
(10-09) Mathias Bergh
(09-08) Nils Butler

Fall:
5 Places:
(22-27) Tomek Szczukiecki
4 Places:
(16-20) Aiden Andrews
(12-16) Adrian Bosch
2 Places:
(29-31) Ryan Kennedy
(27-29) Bastiaan Ninaber
(19-21) Mark Cox
1 Place:
(25-26) Arthur Sales


Last Update:
Mar 16 2011
ranked by MDC | collected by Alex

 

[ParisFashionMuse]

don't care if sessilee was on the list or not but to complain about her spot on mdc? um hello! chanel iman is still on there thats something to b!!tch about. and crystal renn? so over her. curves or not so over her.


as for mens- spot 11-12 yuri!!? apologies to his fans i don't get his appeal at all. are you kidding. and my some of my favorite males; mark cox's, baastian and ryan fall! got to love mdc!