Milan Menswear Fashion Week Fall 11/12 Schedule

[Street_a_Licious]

unlike poor Cristina Ortiz, who got sacked for doing a good job... wtf?

 

[Crying Diamonds]

^ Did Giornetti do menswear when Ortiz was there?

 

[Squizree]

^ I know! It's because Wanda Ferragamo wasn't happy with "Cristina's vision for Ferragamo". Oh please, I loved the luxurious sexiness she did there. Her work at Lanvin translated well into Ferragamo.

 

[Squizree]

^ Did Giornetti do menswear when Ortiz was there?

Yeah he did. And somehow he was better of a choice.

 

[mikeijames]

unlike poor Cristina Ortiz, who got sacked for doing a good job... wtf?

good job.....sales wise?

 

[Street_a_Licious]

i don't know about the sales. i only remember an article saying that the Ferragamo board didn't like to be a 'fashion house', but wanted to be a known firmly as a 'leathergoods house'. or something along those lines.

but her last 3 years, the collections were on point, SFM. it was sexy, alluring, 'smokey', and it didn't look dated.

 

[Squizree]

good job.....sales wise?

Ferragamo never complained about Cristina's sales, in fact she was doing pretty well. For one thing we saw more celebrities wear her stuff than Giornetti's. It was the aesthetic they weren't happy with.

 

[mikeijames]

we could argue the point all day, but ferragamo did choose to step away from ortiz and to increase giornetti's role. and since he's started with the menswear, the ferragamo family has repeatedly said that he has captured the spirit of the house with his designs. he's creating stuff for men and women that compares more to hermes than, say, gucci. i mean, when i look at a dress like this, i don't think about ferragamo...

style.com

 

[Street_a_Licious]

lol, true

but i think about how sexy someone else than a sleepwalker could look in that

 

[Thefrenchy]

I like that it starts the day after my very last exams. Perfect timing

 

[VersaceLuva586]

Versace, Burberry and Gucci

 

[get fashion]

When i saw the last Versace show i hate it more, how Donatella come from this summer 2010:

to this summer 2011:

 

[mikeijames]

^that's because the menswear designer switched from alexandre plokhov to martyn bal, no?

 

[Squizree]

^ Yes and he stinks. His work is so underwhelming and so not luxurious. Plokhov's work was so much more desirable!

 

[get fashion]

I don't think so, with the women label it's the same, the cast was really bad, the old shows with the tops walking with fierce, are over, poor Versace, hope that has the Dolce affect, and this modernism go away and do something really italian.

 

[mikeijames]

well, we'll just have to see what happens as christopher kane gets brought further and further into the fold as he's now designing menswear for his eponymous line. with that said, martyn bal worked at dior homme if i recall correctly so that's the influence we see. also, i tend to think that some of the more traditional versace fan base would've liked the collection if it got placed on a more 'versace' cast and styled in a more 'versace' way.

 

[Street_a_Licious]

and someone even tried to argue with me how very 'Versace' that collection really was

 

[mikeijames]

did i do that? while i personally don't buy into the teddy boy, fifties rock, new wave punk look, it's not outside of the ouevre of these italian and french brands to take on that look from time to time. whether it's bottega veneta or gianfranco ferre or dior homme or versace or givenchy, each of the houses has it within their range to take on that look. looking back into archival versace -- which martyn bal and donatella versace did when they created those collections -- one can find the elements they reference. however, they chose to place those somewhat obvious versace staples on models that don't have the musculature we associate with the house and style them in a way we wouldn't necessarily associate with the st. tropez/ibiza/moscow milieu where versace holds sway.

(source: malemodelretro.info/2010/11/gianni-versace-1990-1993.html)

 

[Street_a_Licious]

naw

looking back, it was someone else's opinion who i had an issue with.

and i do believe that it was the casting which played the main role. i check Versace and Dolce partially for the guys . if the guys look appealing, i take another look at the clothes. (which is why i do find a few Dolce & Gabbana collections really good... and it was all for the guys lol)

those pale, malnourished ex-hobos just don't do anything for me, especially not in a Fall/Winter collection.

but that's a different topic altogether.

 

[CrisGalaxy]

Yes the boys was what was wrong in that show. It was not the Versace man who walked for that show that season, I think the Hedi Slimane Dior Homme boy got lost and confused and ended up in the Versace runway.