Prada eliminates "Fat,ugly,old workers" | Page 2 | the Fashion Spot

Prada eliminates "Fat,ugly,old workers"

as much as people talsk about being disgusted by this beahviour, most humas do react to mre attractive people positively, it's a fact.
It is true that in the real world appearances are paramount, especially in the service industry, but I think they are going about it in a completely misguided (not to mention illegal and ethically repulsive) way.

Why not simply draw performance charts for salesmen and women and get rid of those who do not meet a pre-established sale quotas?
As pointed out by other posters, the old but experienced workers would be more likely to move large volumes than the hip but clueless youngsters. In the high-end luxury market, expertise is the key. They are Prada for Christ's sake, not Abercrombie & Fitch.
Also, considering how dept-saddled the group is, I doubt they can afford costly lawsuits and getting rid of skilled workers.

Idiots.
 
if Prada doesn't like ugly and fat people then they shouldn't make dresses like the one they put on Doutzen kroes in the last show :shock:
 
It is true that in the real world appearances are paramount, especially in the service industry, but I think they are going about it in a completely misguided (not to mention illegal and ethically repulsive) way.

Why not simply draw performance charts for salesmen and women and get rid of those who do not meet a pre-established sale quotas?
As pointed out by other posters, the old but experienced workers would be more likely to move large volumes than the hip but clueless youngsters. In the high-end luxury market, expertise is the key.
They are Prada for Christ's sake, not Abercrombie & Fitch.
Also, considering how dept-saddled the group is, I doubt they can afford costly lawsuits and getting rid of skilled workers.

Idiots.

agree, I get that people react more positively to people with nice looks but looking nice is only a plus, the real thing to look for in salespeople are their service skills. In the end I think everyone would prefer an ugly but nice salesperson over a pretty but clueless one.

Prada is a retailer that works a lot with personal assistance for the customers unlike american apparel where most people get by on their own, so I don't really think them firing skilled workers in favor of goodlooking ones is that smart.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
when u gave in ur application there was 2 boxes and if u were attractive and fit(for men)/Slim or skinny(for girls) i checked 1 box but if u were overweight/ugly/too old i check another one, which meant you didnt get the job.

Those types of checkboxes are not permitted on employment applications and can be considered discriminatory under US law. If they are able to do the job, they should get the same treatment as anyone else.

I would mark off though for people who can't spell you or you're.
 
Those types of checkboxes are not permitted on employment applications and can be considered discriminatory under US law. If they are able to do the job, they should get the same treatment as anyone else.

I would mark off though for people who can't spell you or you're.

next to each box was a letter. I think it wa P and F so boxes could represent Pass or Fail
 
Another juicy article from japantimes.com
A senior manager at Prada Japan has filed a legal complaint against the Italian fashion label, accusing the company of harassment and discrimination based on appearance and alleging it maltreated other employees in the past.
Last May, Prada Japan CEO Davide Sesia visited some of the 40 Prada shops in Japan with Rina Bovrisse, its senior retail manager. Afterward, he asked her to "eliminate" about 15 shop managers and assistant managers he described as being "old, fat, ugly, disgusting or not having the Prada look," Bovrisse said in a recent interview with The Japan Times.
Prada Japan Senior Human Resources Manager Hiroyuki Takahashi gave demotional transfer orders to about 13 of those employees, citing poor sales and other problems but without mentioning their appearance, in May and June, Bovrisse said. Most of them chose to quit, she said.
Speaking to the Japan Times on condition of anonymity, one of the managers and two of the assistant managers confirmed that Takahashi had given them the orders.
But according to Bovrisse and the three, the shops run by the trio regularly ranked among the top 10 in Japan sales.
"The level of harassment is beyond human understanding. My responsibility is to protect hardworking women and make sure their working environment is safe," Bovrisse said.
Bovrisse, who is Japanese and oversees 500 employees in 40 shops in Japan, and one each on Guam and Saipan, has been on involuntary leave since November on Takahashi's orders.
In December, Bovrisse filed a labor complaint with the Tokyo District Court, demanding compensation for emotional distress and cancellation of her demotion and leave.
Neither Sesia, nor Mia Morikawa, Prada Japan's senior manager for external relations, returned phone calls requesting comment.
Both Takahashi and Morikawa's associate, Hisako Kagawa, declined comment on Bovrisse's allegations.
Marta Monaco, a spokeswoman at Prada's Milan headquarters, said by e-mail: "Besides underlining our serene position and our flat refusal of all the allegations put forward by Ms. Bovrisse, we believe it is inappropriate to add any comment regarding this matter whilst the judgment is still pending.
"After the panel's (court's) decision, we will be available to give full explanation about the matter."
Tokyo-based lawyer Reiko Shiratori, who specializes mainly in workplace harassment cases, said it would be illegal even for a luxury fashion house to order the dismissal, demotion or unfavorable transfer of a worker on the grounds of physical appearance because that isn't the only relevant job requirement.
"Even though good-looking shop clerks may arguably be a plus for Prada's business, elements other than appearance are also important," said Shiratori, who is not involved in the dispute.
"Prada employees are not fashion models," she said.
Bovrisse, who began working for Prada Japan last April after spending 18 years working in high-end fashion worldwide, including at Prada USA Corp. headquarters in New York, said she became a target of harassment herself when she began disagreeing with Sesia and Takahashi after the end of her three-month probation.
The complaint is being handled by an industrial tribunal, a simpler version of a labor issues trial. Sessions are closed to the public.
In an industrial tribunal, the two sides try to reach a court-mediated settlement. If they can't, the judges recommend settlement terms.
If either party is dissatisfied with those terms, the case can be brought to a civil court.
The final hearing in Bovrisse's case is set for Friday.
Bovrisse's complaint cites the alleged harassment of the shop staff, saying they were given a choice of either resigning or taking demotions and involuntary transfers, as examples of employee mistreatment. But the main point at issue is the alleged harassment she herself suffered at the hands of Sesia and Takahashi.
According to copies of Bovrisse's written complaint obtained by The Japan Times, Takahashi called her into a meeting room on the night Sept. 29 and told her Sesia wanted her "to change her hair style, to lose weight, and that Sesia is ashamed of Bovrisse's ugliness, so he doesn't want visitors from Italy to see her."
Bovrisse talked with senior Prada executives in Milan about what she felt was severe harassment against her and other employees. She also reported to the executives that store staff were often forced to purchase handbags with their own money, the complaint alleges.
According to Bovrisse's account, on Oct. 13, Sesia told her at work that she was being fired for "bringing negative energy to the company by reporting the harassment to Milan."
She then stopped going to work and asked for a dismissal notice in writing, but Takahashi said on Oct. 29 she was actually not terminated but only demoted and accused her of having an unexcused absence, according to the complaint.
She returned to work Nov. 4, and Takahashi blamed her for the absence and ordered her not to come to work until further notice, the complaint alleges.
She continues to receive her full salary as senior retail manager, she said.
According to copies of written testimony submitted on Jan. 11 to theTokio District Court by Sesia and Takahashi, also obtained by The Japan Times, both said that on Sept. 29, Sesia instructed Takahashi to ask Bovrisse to change her hair colorfrom bleached blond and to lose weight because appearance is an important aspect of Bovrisse's work at Prada.
Bovrisse said she submitted to the court photos of herself taken while she worked at Prada Japan to prove her hair was never bleached blond.
"I don't want to mention (Bovrisse's) body shape, but Prada's customers recognize value in Prada's brand image and admiration toward Prada, and thus it goes without saying that it is desirable that customers looking at shop employees build admiration to wear Prada products just like Prada shop employees do," Sesia said in his written testimony submitted to the court.
"I thought it is necessary to ask Ms. Bovrisse, who supervises shop employees, to make efforts to be a role model, in order to avoid lowering shop employees' morale," he stated.
Sesia claimed in his testimony that Bovrisse tried to fabricate evidence of forced employee purchases, adding he never heard such practice happened in the company.
However, Prada's Aoyama shop manager, Chizuko Kawasaki, and the Ginza shop manager, Tomoko Ochiai, said in written testimony filed with the court Jan. 7 that they received a request, not an order, from Takahashi in August to have employees buy Prada products.
And a former regional shop manager, requesting anonymity, said in her testimony filed with the court Feb. 7, "Takahashi has ordered me to buy Prada products, saying otherwise (the company) will cut employees in her shop. Such orders always came via telephone," according to copies of the court testimony.
Sesia claimed in his written testimony that Bovrisse falsely told the executive in Milan that she had "received heinous verbal harassment" and that "I power-harassed her."
Bovrisse said she is taking this opportunity to raise the issue of harassment against women in the workplace because she wants to improve their working environment.
 
Judging by the description, they should also fire Miuccia Prada. :innocent:
 
Last edited by a moderator:
^i was thinking that but i didn't want to say it but yes by those standards miuccia would be considered 'dumpy'. but again,it's a story about one manager in japan not the entire house. i dunno if this is standard protocol for the others.

but to me this is the problem with globalisation....you get too many managers involved and they make up their own rules and ideals and then a certain integrity goes right out the window.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
aww boohoo, its PRADA, im no where near shocked by this
and they are certainly not the only company that does this
When i worked for Abercrombie & Fitch as a manager i turned down atleast 90-100 people because of their look(and it wasn't my choice these orders came from my manager who was told to do so by his manager)when u gave in ur application there was 2 boxes and if u were attractive and fit(for men)/Slim or skinny(for girls) i checked 1 box but if u were overweight/ugly/too old i check another one, which meant you didnt get the job. Sometimes i would even see other managers throw away application over looks

Im not happy about it but it life and its fashion.................theres always other options but then again it would suck if the shoe was on the other foot

You realize the "too old" is against the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission laws, no? You know, people age, gain weight, become less pretty --this means you, too...
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Judging by the description, they should also fire Miuccia Prada. :innocent:

haha I am thinkingthe excert same thing when I saw this post.....
But it's true, They hire sales base on ur look, Look at the sales at Dior Homme. They all look like a Model.....:shock:
 
I think it's discriminatory which sucks and I'm not surprised by the news. Will a lawsuit change anything? I don't think so.
 
well if they are disgusted by old ugly people i hope they tell exactly that all the old bloated rich wives that enter their shops to buy there ;) and tell them that they won't sell their high end products
 
Judging by the description, they should also fire Miuccia Prada. :innocent:

Haha I was just about to comment that :rofl:
I remember reading an article on nymag's The Cut were they said Miuccia was doing costumes from some theater thing in NYC and she had fired some opera singers or something because they were too fat and she didn't want to cloth them. Has she looked in the mirror lately? I guess Miuccia Prada wouldn't want to cloth Miuccia Prada for the same reason...
 
Sure, these kinds of things happen, but does that make it OK? Hell no.
__________________

Hell No, indeed !

I am more and more tired of the "that's life" line ...
That's life, because you're too weak to make it change ... Or is it because "that's life", we are not allowed to be angry at those kind of things and want them to be avoided ?

For a parodoxal note, the article says CEO of Japan ... So it might be to please the Japan Market.
For a japanese man and lady to sue their company, it might be really really tough term things ! Aren't japanese the most loyal to their company ? Or is it old cliché ?
 
it instantly reminds me of what Nigel in Devil Wears Prada says ironically: 'that's really what this whole multibillion-dollar industry is all about, isn't it? Inner beauty.'
 
my first reaction to seeing this thread was "oh, how sad, miuccia got canned from her own house!"
 
Ex-Prada exec claims harassment

By MINORU MATSUTANI
Staff writer

Former Prada Japan senior retail manager Rina Bovrisse, who is suing the company over emotional distress from alleged harassment, said Friday she took the action to support mistreated working women in Japan who don't feel they have the power to fight their employers.

nn20100417a6a.jpg

Speaking out: Rina Bovrisse, former senior retail manager for Prada Japan, holds a news conference at the Tokyo District Court on Friday.
YOSHIAKI MIURA PHOTO


"I filed the lawsuit against Prada Japan for creating a working environment cruel and unsafe for women," Bovrisse said at a news conference at the Tokyo District Court. "Prada Japan's personnel practice is abusive to women."

The civil trial, in which Bovrisse will argue that the Italian fashion company discriminated against her and other female workers for what the company president called poor appearance, will get under way May 14. She is demanding an apology, compensation and cancellation of her dismissal from the company.

"Women who worked at Prada Japan (and had been pressured to resign due to harassment) still go to the hospital for treatment of stress and fear of workplaces and people," Bovrisse said.

In Japan, few have stood up to address these issues, she said, "but I will do my best to prevent a recurrence of these events."

Takeo Kawamura, one of her two lawyers, said he has heard about harassment cases involving physical appearance, but Bovrisse's case is rare in the sense that the company linked looks with ability.

He was referring to the alleged comment by Prada Japan's human resources manager that "the company cannot let you be a senior retail manager because of your appearance."

According to Bovrisse, the human resources manager relayed a message from the company president last September that she needed to lose weight, change her hair style and that the president was "ashamed of her ugliness."

Bovrisse says she consulted Prada's Milan headquarters about harassment, including her conversation with the human resources manager. According to her, the Japanese unit then demoted and later fired her on the grounds that she reported the false harassment claim to the company's Milan headquarters and talked to the media about it.

Prior to the civil lawsuit, Bovrisse filed a request with the court for an industrial tribunal. The tribunal on March 12, citing a lack of evidence, rejected her demand for an apology and compensation for emotional distress.

Bovrisse's lawyer submitted a statement of opposition March 19 against the tribunal's decision, automatically triggering the civil lawsuit.

"Prada Japan did not conduct (the) unjust acts (Ms. Bovrisse) alleged, and her allegations are untrue," Prada Japan said in a statement last month.

Kawamura said Bovrisse's legal team didn't have enough time to submit all its evidence.

"We consider the civil lawsuit as the beginning of a real trial," he said.
japantimes
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Users who are viewing this thread

New Posts

Forum Statistics

Threads
216,495
Messages
15,341,428
Members
90,182
Latest member
JovanZZZ720
Back
Top