Rachel McAdams storms out of Vanity Fair shoot

[Deleted member 49693]

I completely agree with you but I think we are coming from a European perspective. Americans take this whole 'body as temple' approach or something. The more people stop caring about nakedness and difference, then the less it would be an issue. All the Americans I know are shocked at the amount of nudity on British tv but I don't even think about it. It's all religious/cultural nonsense (and I am a religious person).

I respect your opinion but a little confused by it as these men's mags aren't seen as art or for religious purposes but for getting turned on, sexually. How is that religious?

PS: Also doesn't America have ALOT of nudity with their celebrities?

 

[SiennaInLondon]

I respect your opinion but a little confused by it as these men's mags aren't seen as art or for religious purposes but for getting turned on, sexually. How is that religious?

PS: Also doesn't America have ALOT of nudity with their celebrities?

Hey! I'm going to bed but I'll reply quicky in point form
a) Vanity Fair isn't a mens' mag
b) What is wrong with gettin turned on sexually? I'd rather men were watching p*rn than getting into worse trouble.

 

[Pegged Wrong]

Congrats to her for having the where with all to turn down something like this. I think turning down a Vanity Fair shoot with Tom Ford would be a very difficult thing to do, even considering the demand for baring all. I definately think her publicist was remiss in her duties by neglecting to inform Rachel of the fact that the shoot would require her to be nude. I know I'm definately echoing some statements already made, but just wanted to give my two cents.

 

[SiennaInLondon]

Oh and Hollywood celebrities don't do nudity in general -they prefer a far tackier pseudo-seductive brand of 'attraction'. I'd rather look at completely naked models with their artistic skinniness than semi-clothed Melanie Griffith or Sharon Stone or whomever, half-falling out of their corsets. Now that is trully horrific. I suppose in that sense, I am glad Rachel MacAdams went home. Stick to models Mr Ford. You have pretty good taste in them. Get Georgina Grenville on Vanity Fair. I miss her since her retirement.

 

[cardboardboxed]

That's awesome how she stood up for herself! I ean if she knew about the nudity in advance and stormed out then she'd be a b*tch, but since she had no idea ans was obviously uncomfortable with the idea, I think it's awseome she did that

 

[oolie coco]

I completely agree with you but I think we are coming from a European perspective. Americans take this whole 'body as temple' approach or something. The more people stop caring about nakedness and difference, then the less it would be an issue. All the Americans I know are shocked at the amount of nudity on British tv but I don't even think about it. It's all religious/cultural nonsense (and I am a religious person). Bubblegum and cupcakes and a little bit of shoot-me-now too.

I am not shocked by nudity.

I'm shocked by sexist images of women in p*rn*gr*phy and the fact that women's bodies are constantly used to sell, while men's are always covered.

It is objectification and degradation of women that shocks us. Not nudity.

Also I am an atheist.

 

[fashionicon]

I'm shocked by sexist images of women in p*rn*gr*phy and the fact that women's bodies are constantly used to sell, while men's are always covered.

I'd have to agree.

A most current issue would have to be the Jennifer Aniston GQ Cover. Why was she topless again? In my mind, seeing her in a men's tuxedo and and hat would have sent an even more powerful message, considering that she is the GQ Man of the Year.

Women in America don't hold offices like they do in other countries, and part of that, I feel is due to men seeing women as nothing but play things who are of lower intelligence.

 

[QuirkyCool]

Good for her for having stood up for what she wanted and did not want,and for requiring professionalism from her employees.

That's all that really matters here;she didn't want to do it and she didn't.

Great to see a self-possessed young woman who is not willing to prostitute herself for fame or money.And I use the word "prostitute" figuratively,before anyone feels the need to point out the difference between nudity and prostitution....

 

[Deleted member 1957]

good for her, she didnt let greed cloud her judgement. Its always good to stick to one's ideals despite the people you re dealing with.

 

[Deleted member 49693]

I am not shocked by nudity.

I'm shocked by sexist images of women in p*rn*gr*phy and the fact that women's bodies are constantly used to sell, while men's are always covered.

It is objectification and degradation of women that shocks us. Not nudity.

Also I am an atheist.

That is exactly what I meant, thank you oolie coco for a clearer reply.

 

[Deleted member 49693]

I'd have to agree.

A most current issue would have to be the Jennifer Aniston GQ Cover. Why was she topless again? In my mind, seeing her in a men's tuxedo and and hat would have sent an even more powerful message, considering that she is the GQ Man of the Year.

Women in America don't hold offices like they do in other countries, and part of that, I feel is due to men seeing women as nothing but play things who are of lower intelligence.

Another great answer!!!

 

[Deleted member 49693]

b) What is wrong with gettin turned on sexually? I'd rather men were watching p*rn than getting into worse trouble.

Why am I finding this comment disturbing? Does he have a problem in bed with his girlfriend/wife?

ps: p*rn isn't just for men, it's for women too.

 

[tastes_like_chic]

Well she's in the position t do whatever she wants - so she can do whatever she wants!

 

[Anastasia]

I am not shocked by nudity.

I'm shocked by sexist images of women in p*rn*gr*phy and the fact that women's bodies are constantly used to sell, while men's are always covered.

It is objectification and degradation of women that shocks us. Not nudity.

Also I am an atheist.

Substitute agnostic for atheist, and this is exactly how I feel as well. The human body is a beautiful thing. I wouldn't have a problem with people being naked all the time, in film, on paper, or in person. I'm comfortable being completely naked in front of my mother, sister, boyfriend, best friends. It's the stench of sexism and degradation attached to situations like Rachel's that make me , not the simple fact of nudity.

 

[FrockRadar8]

I wonder how far progressed women would be in work, politics and just general societal structures if we weren't subjected to this kind of contructed sexism. If we weren't conditionally told/felt to believe over generations that degredation is just a myth, or that "boys will be boys" Why is such base, sexist behaviour become so acceptable? Why is it that Tom Ford can use the female form as a platform for his ideas, when other designers do the same without being so repulsive? Half of his models pop out of his dresses....clearly not made for a woman in mind.

I know part of his claim to fame has been the nudity with women, but that's the same as saying "Tom Ford will be Tom Ford" but that doesn't explain why he has such provacative images, or a need for naked women on the cover of a magazine. A young girl will see that cover...and I shudder to think what affect that will have on her and her self-image.

Have women become a novelty? It can't just be "oh it's the female form, it's beautiful." Specific women with specific proportions, as idealized as they may be, are picked for these centerfolds or covers...and that is to arouse men or get their attention. That's sad.

Sorry if it doesn' tmake complete sense...but neither does the condition that women are in...

 

[Anastasia]

Very well said, FrockRadar.

I'm going to be terribly presumptious here, based on interviews I've read before with Tom Ford, and say that for him at least, women are a novelty. His comments in the past, over a series of pieces, make me feel like he has no use for them in life outside of their use as mannequins. They are empty vessels, pretty little dolls with thin wrists, that he can decorate as he pleases. There's no respect for them as human beings, let alone as equals.

Tom Ford is talented, no question. I don't think he's evil or anything. But he also strikes me as an impressive example of the misogyny so deeply ingrained in our patriarchal culture that many people can't even recognize it any more.

 

[catherinea]

She has barely done nudity, You don't really see anything in The Notebook

I am reall y proud of her actually and there are some great answers on this board.

It is not that all nudity is wrong. It is that the degradation of women must stop.

P.S Tom Ford is Gay.

Kate Moss was nude in the Decemeber issue. As for the spread eagle comment. Do playboy even do that?

 

[Deleted member 49693]

I wonder how far progressed women would be in work, politics and just general societal structures if we weren't subjected to this kind of contructed sexism. If we weren't conditionally told/felt to believe over generations that degredation is just a myth, or that "boys will be boys" Why is such base, sexist behaviour become so acceptable? Why is it that Tom Ford can use the female form as a platform for his ideas, when other designers do the same without being so repulsive? Half of his models pop out of his dresses....clearly not made for a woman in mind.

I know part of his claim to fame has been the nudity with women, but that's the same as saying "Tom Ford will be Tom Ford" but that doesn't explain why he has such provacative images, or a need for naked women on the cover of a magazine. A young girl will see that cover...and I shudder to think what affect that will have on her and her self-image.

Have women become a novelty? It can't just be "oh it's the female form, it's beautiful." Specific women with specific proportions, as idealized as they may be, are picked for these centerfolds or covers...and that is to arouse men or get their attention. That's sad.

Sorry if it doesn' tmake complete sense...but neither does the condition that women are in...

I love this intelligent reply..

I don't have a problem with nudity either, but the fact that it has to be published in such a way most with women makes it degrading. It's like nowadays it is part of a women's job to look sexy by being naked or stripping in the media.

 

[FrockRadar8]

the thing that floors me is when i hear about men "conducting business meetings" in strip clubs...what the hell is that all about?

and yes i know that Tom Ford is gay...I'm not implying ANYTHING when i ask this, but does anyone think that makes it easier for him to think and act this way towards women? I'm only askign because a Gay student in my art class was very casual about talkign about his desire to make a painting featuring a bloody vagina, for the novelty of it. I'm not saying that because of those two, ALL gay men are like that, but does anyone have insight?

 

[Deleted member 49693]

the thing that floors me is when i hear about men "conducting business meetings" in strip clubs...what the hell is that all about?

business meetings in strip clubs???? That's bloody disgusting! What is the world coming to.