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sounds great... exactly as tricotine said, a wearable, young wardrobe to build up on... now, if only i could actually afford it or get it here in mexico, it would be more than great
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RAF by Raf Simons S/S 2006 review
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I was sarcastic,Faust.
Since he's got the job at Jill Sander,he only wants to travel in business class...
It's soooooooo.... close to the youth culture that he's promoting through his collections and clothing !
I can't stand all those designers,like Raf simons and Hedi Slimane,that pretend that they are amongst those youth culture things but in fact there are the biggest snobs alive !
Since he's got the job at Jill Sander,he only wants to travel in business class...
It's soooooooo.... close to the youth culture that he's promoting through his collections and clothing !
I can't stand all those designers,like Raf simons and Hedi Slimane,that pretend that they are amongst those youth culture things but in fact there are the biggest snobs alive !
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is there any new developments about this? I am eager for the jackets and jeans!
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softgrey said:how does he have time to do all of these things at once?...
wouldn't something suffer...?
I guess not, the collection in itself is pretty small and incorporates some cuts that were formerly Raf Simons mainline, such as the jean with slit detail on knees, several cut-off sweatshirts and a big cloak from S/S 2004... it also doesn´t take a lot to create a printed t-shirt, he must have had the right shape before he even started the secondary line... I still believe it was a good thing for him to start the new collection, this might help him to be much more experimental and straight forward with the mainline than before (there are a lot more details going on with the clothes now, apart from the fact that the cuts - and especially knitwear - is becoming much more complex), since there is a grounding to start the whole look with, such as a good tailored jacket, some nicely fitted jeans, t-shirts.
Wait..is Raf even involved in production? Or just a design team? Is it just quick money?
Is this going to be quality, or again, just crap for quick money? Experimental? Will it be...a "Raf" collection?
Sounds interesting, I just have my doubts. As it is a secondary line and the only possible purpose of a secondary line is selling. That's business. Not fashion. Hope he makes it fashion.
Like Faust, I'm quite skeptical about this. Let' just hope he indeed doesn't start a fragrance line unless it's conceptual and experimental (In that case I'd be extremely excited)
Thx, tricot
Is this going to be quality, or again, just crap for quick money? Experimental? Will it be...a "Raf" collection?
Sounds interesting, I just have my doubts. As it is a secondary line and the only possible purpose of a secondary line is selling. That's business. Not fashion. Hope he makes it fashion.
Like Faust, I'm quite skeptical about this. Let' just hope he indeed doesn't start a fragrance line unless it's conceptual and experimental (In that case I'd be extremely excited)
Thx, tricot
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I see a big difference between Hedi hanging out with Pete Doherty and going to celeb parties, and Raf's quieter personal life and persistent interest in actual street kids.
Raf seems well aware that he's not young anymore, but he continues to use street kids as models, and make them the subject of much of his artistic work.
Hedi, on the other hand, seems to consider living the Peter Pan party lifestyle his version of "youth culture".
Now I'm not against Hedi's clothes, but if we're speaking of youth culture, there's a sincerity to Raf's work that I just don't get from Hedi.
As for travelling in business class, I can tell you as someone who lived a 100% travel lifestyle for a year that when you're spending that much of your life on a plane, if the upgrade can be afforded (or more likely earned gratis from frequent flyer status) it is a huge help in taking the edge off of your travel stress and avoiding nasty posture problems. My back was having all kinds of spasms when I first started travelling so frequently and was stuck in coach - when you're flying all the time, that wider, softer seat makes a big difference.
When you spot Raf snorting blow at a party for Kate Moss's half-birthday, then I'll be worried he's losing touch, but flying business class is no big deal. Just getting on a plane at all is not really "youth culture", but it's a necessity of doing the fashion business, so I wouldn't begrudge him doing it in whatever way he sees fit.
Raf seems well aware that he's not young anymore, but he continues to use street kids as models, and make them the subject of much of his artistic work.
Hedi, on the other hand, seems to consider living the Peter Pan party lifestyle his version of "youth culture".
Now I'm not against Hedi's clothes, but if we're speaking of youth culture, there's a sincerity to Raf's work that I just don't get from Hedi.
As for travelling in business class, I can tell you as someone who lived a 100% travel lifestyle for a year that when you're spending that much of your life on a plane, if the upgrade can be afforded (or more likely earned gratis from frequent flyer status) it is a huge help in taking the edge off of your travel stress and avoiding nasty posture problems. My back was having all kinds of spasms when I first started travelling so frequently and was stuck in coach - when you're flying all the time, that wider, softer seat makes a big difference.
When you spot Raf snorting blow at a party for Kate Moss's half-birthday, then I'll be worried he's losing touch, but flying business class is no big deal. Just getting on a plane at all is not really "youth culture", but it's a necessity of doing the fashion business, so I wouldn't begrudge him doing it in whatever way he sees fit.
manuels said:
softgrey said:how does he have time to do all of these things at once?...
wouldn't something suffer...?
That is my worry. We shall see. For now, the guys at A said that they will have nothing to do with it, and that's a pretty bad indicator, since they seem to be careful about the stores image/aesthetic... I'm sure Seven will jump all over this though...
I find the name quite cheesy. Raf by Raf Simons? WTF? He's intelligent, he could do better...
Anyway, I hope I will eat my words and it will be a wonderful collection all around.
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manuels said:
That´s simply because Prada pays him the ticket, all of their sales managers are actually flying business class, this I know for sure, so why shouldn´t Raf as well?
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faust said:
I am not so farmiliar about Atelier as a store, but do they do any diffusion lines at all?
I personally find it a little one-sided (and also very difficult) to only stock high-end/couture designers, in the end, only few can afford Carpe Diem, Ann Demeulemeester or several other designers, I actually much appreciate the fact that certain designers are starting to address a customer that might not be able to pay the full price of their mainline collections, just look on Hussein Chalayan, he´s doing such a great job with H.Chalayan, it´s not just a washed-down version of what he did several years ago. It´s a little difficult to maintain business when the customers only buy the designers once they are on discount, didn´t you also buy your strappy Ann D boots once they were 50% off, Faust? I strongly considered writing Ann myself for the upcoming season, but ended up with the fact that those that can appreciate often cannot afford the full retail price, as with a pair of boots at 750€.
Of course you can´t ask for couture craftsmanship and hand-finished details at a significantly lower price point, that´s why not everybody could do diffusion, but in case of Raf, it fits well - just look on, say, S/S 2004, this could have been RAF by Raf Simons in it´s entirety, and I remember some people from this board liking it.
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about the plane ticket...Most people whose work demands a lot flying will go in either 1st class or business class so they can perfom their jobs with plenty of rest and do it properly. He is traveling between Paris, Antwerp, Milan, and Hamburg. That is a lot of flying.
As for the clothes I don't think putting out basic classic pieces will be too much of a strain on him. This does up his total from 2 to 8 collections a year (which is a considerable amount) but like others have mentioned..they have already been designed...they are just affordable.
As for the clothes I don't think putting out basic classic pieces will be too much of a strain on him. This does up his total from 2 to 8 collections a year (which is a considerable amount) but like others have mentioned..they have already been designed...they are just affordable.
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That does say a lot, maybe the quality won't be very good? Or maybe just too commercial for A. It seems logical.
The name, is ridiculous. It could be a term...something meaningful, but no, he just had to go into the ranks along with others such as Marc by Marc Jacobs.
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They bought Slab by Rick Owens (which I think was only one or two seasons), and now they are doing Dark Shadow as well, which is also Rick Owens. The price point on Dark Shadow is significantly lower than mainline Rick Owens stuff. I actually really like the Dark Shadow stuff, but that isn't for this thread...
It isn't a huge store, it isn't like they could jam much more in
One thing, for Atelier guys: they have that awesome Raf hoodie with the wingsleeves, which I had tried to get through Seven (for $550)... it is $1250 at Atelier! Anyone else notice that?
I think its very easy to give thoughtless criticism to a designer when he makes a move like this.
It sounds like a good idea to me, and if have been reading up on it - you know it is raf designing it himself. To me, this sounds like he is doing a bit of a CDG "evergreen".
His past collections are much more youth-oriented as well, while he experiments and matures in the mainline.
It sounds like a good idea to me, and if have been reading up on it - you know it is raf designing it himself. To me, this sounds like he is doing a bit of a CDG "evergreen".
His past collections are much more youth-oriented as well, while he experiments and matures in the mainline.
raijin said:
I'm going to reserve judgment for now, but if it is Raf for cheaper than Raf normally is (not "Raf lite," but "Raf redux"), then I'm all for it. I like the idea of the CDG Evergreen stuff, although it is still pretty pricey..
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I wrote this big wonderful post and then it got accidentally wiped out
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Atelier carried Rick's denim, as kLm pointed out, and they also carry Cloak, whose price point is lower than the rest of the designers.
The prices are high, Ann Dem included. I can't afford it at full price, so I see your point for sure. However, I tend to think value-wise rather than pricewise, so for me the now-proverbial $300 cotton hoodie is more ridiculous than a fine wool $600 sweater.
But, having talked at length on the subject with various shop-owners/salespeople, I completely understand your concern. Your business needs to survive and flourish, and there is certainly a market segment that appreciates designer clothing but can not afford high pricetag, and you are right and SHOULD capture that market, and it even may allow you to experiment more with the high-end stuff.
BTW, prices were not always that crazy. It's really the last couple of years that prices went through the roof.
Anyway, I digress, and I hope Raf makes me eat my words with a stellar diffusion collection
.P.S. kLm, which hoodie are you referring too? Is it the one with all the zippers? I liked it too. I was told that they just bought one, more of a showpiece rather than merchandise. <Went to look at 7 website> I see the difference, the one in 7 is a Spring/Summer piece, made of cotton. The one at A is Fall/Winter, knit of fine wool. There are probably other differences too (maybe it's hand knit?).
