Robert Cary-Williams

[Scott]

For as much weirdness as this guy brings with his contraptions,the clothes apart are exceptionally wearable. The structures alone are quite lovely to me.

http://www.vogue.co.uk/shows/Ready-to-Wear...ams/catwalk.asp

 

[runner]

I like it very much.
but the stores here have a really small stock of pieces...


http://www.robertcary-williams.co.uk/html/rcw.php

 

[runner]

 

[runner]

 

[Lena]

not impressed really, there are only too many 'indie' designers working exactly on the same wavelength since some years now...
weird for weirdness shake was never my cup

thanks for the topic & the photos posted guys

 

[wyatt.]

do any of the designs relate?

it seems like such a mismosh

 

[oanadobre]

These clothes could have been "IT" five years ago. Luckily, not anymore...

 

[Scott]

I think he's been doing this such stuff for years now. But on the lines of commerciality,however,it appears as if these clothes are a tad easier to grasp than ever.

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by Scott@Jun 18th, 2004 - 2:46 pm
I think he's been doing this such stuff for years now

in that case, maybe its time for him to move on

 

[softgrey]

seems inconsistent...like many of the avant garde club...but there are a number of pieces i would definitley wear...

and excuse me...but if this look is so 'over'...then how come i never see anyone wearing it and really never have...this look never seems to have caught on as far as i can see...so until it does...i say keep going...

 

[Deleted member 7575]

Originally posted by softgrey@Jun 19th, 2004 - 7:05 pm
seems inconsistent...like many of the avant garde club...but there are a number of pieces i would definitley wear...

and excuse me...but if this look is so 'over'...then how come i never see anyone wearing it and really never have...this look never seems to have caught on as far as i can see...so until it does...i say keep going...

I agree.

And to be honest I really don't find it to be that avante garde. Maybe I look at too much japanese street fashion.

 

[Scott]

Soft*,I think he needs to hire a new stylist....might explain the inconsistency

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by softgrey@Jun 20th, 2004 - 1:05 am

and excuse me...but if this look is so 'over'...then how come i never see anyone wearing it and really never have...this look never seems to have caught on as far as i can see...so until it does...i say keep going...

its not 'over' like 'common' it's more like done before and done since a very long time...

anyway, just my view on this

 

[coconut]

the "over" argument sounds a bit like a put down to me. i don't think one particular designer should be held responsible for the fading of deconstruction in fashion. BTW what exactly did suzy menkes mean when she wrote about "the end of the ugly aesthetic"? isn't it a bit nazi of her since what 's ugly to her may just be gorgeous to me...
i met C-W this spring while he had a show in Moscow and let me tell you that was just stellar. The clothes range from couture to comfy basics. I've been following his work since 99, watching it on the telly mostly and I love the consistency and how he works with the military themes that are very personal. i mean yeah the tees with bullet holes seem a bit silly now but he explores and evolves. with the medieval weaponry and that dark "i'm a poor 15th century boy" look i think that is quite the shift.
as to the design becoming easier to digest now, Scott couldn't be more right. I think has to do with the fact that his assistant Maria worked for huge brands like filippa k and brings some of that sensibility into the work.
and i saw this one wedding dress they made for a client in London that is incredible and sends out a most poetic yet very powerful image. sorta like a rose made out of steel.
what i really implied when i was writing this onelongassentry is that if you look closer to the work of one particular individual in fashion and compare it to what others are doing you might just spot why he's been around for quite a long time and may be appreciate the upside.
*Scott i'm sorry i'm such a horrible panpal.I love you nonetheless.
k

 

[Scott]

Such eloquence you deliver K*. I cannot put forth any other words than that. Of course,I do agree.

 

[faust]

Originally posted by coconut@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 5:10 pm
the "over" argument sounds a bit like a put down to me. i don't think one particular designer should be held responsible for the fading of deconstruction in fashion. BTW what exactly did suzy menkes mean when she wrote about "the end of the ugly aesthetic"? isn't it a bit nazi of her since what 's ugly to her may just be gorgeous to me...
i met C-W this spring while he had a show in Moscow and let me tell you that was just stellar. The clothes range from couture to comfy basics. I've been following his work since 99, watching it on the telly mostly and I love the consistency and how he works with the military themes that are very personal. i mean yeah the tees with bullet holes seem a bit silly now but he explores and evolves. with the medieval weaponry and that dark "i'm a poor 15th century boy" look i think that is quite the shift.
as to the design becoming easier to digest now, Scott couldn't be more right. I think has to do with the fact that his assistant Maria worked for huge brands like filippa k and brings some of that sensibility into the work.
and i saw this one wedding dress they made for a client in London that is incredible and sends out a  most poetic yet very powerful image. sorta like a rose made out of steel.
what i really implied when i was writing this onelongassentry is that if you look closer to the work of one particular individual in fashion and compare it to what others are doing you might just spot why he's been around for quite a long time and may be appreciate the upside.
*Scott i'm sorry i'm such a horrible panpal.I love you nonetheless.
k

Bravo, and welcome to another intelligent member of the Fashion Spot! Very well and eloquently put. Do stick around, please (I see you registered a while ago, but only 7 posts?). Are you Russian by any chance (since you mentioned that you met Robert in Moscow)?

Lena, I understand what you are saying. However, if you look at Scott, Softie, and myself - well, we all live in the US, which is the land of commerce. So, yes, while the Japanese and the Europeans have adopted and embraced this look every since the Belgians breathed fresh air into fashion it has NEVER caught on majorly here. On that note, thanks for bringing my attention to another interesting desinger, Scott. Of course, if you look at the stock list that runner posted, there isn't a single US outlet that carries his men's clothes (except maybe Louis?). I should to talk to the guys at A

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by faust@Jun 24th, 2004 - 3:50 pm
Lena, I understand what you are saying. However, if you look at Scott, Softie, and myself - well, we all live in the US, which is the land of commerce. So, yes, while the Japanese and the Europeans have adopted and embraced this look every since the Belgians breathed fresh air into fashion it has NEVER caught on majorly here.

i understand and you know that i usually join your views on designers, it's just that i can't share the thrill on this occassion, maybe if i had a look at his recent collection...

this kind of looks are really nothing new to deserve the 'iconoclast' title.. it's not like every single person is dressed like that where i come from, but its a look most art students customise for themselves since quite some time... i just can't see the brilliance in ideas, textiles or form

we can't agree in everything all of the time right?

*scott you know who much i'm fed up with the repetition of styles in the 'indie' scene ..and yes, i always ask for too much, can't escape that

 

[mikeijames]

an interesting mix of mcqueen and rick owens in my opinion...the menswear seems a lot more "consistent" than the women's wear which just seems to stick out in this collection of pictures

 

[faust]

Originally posted by Lena@Jun 24th, 2004 - 1:01 pm
we can't agree in everything all of the time right?

of course not, how boring would that be?!

 

[kit]

Robert Cary Williams is a member of the Vivienne Westwood , Jibby Bean set ( an ex model and now a gallery owner who discovered Vivienne in middle age and changed her whole life on account of this ).Robert's cutting edge design seems to be confined to very few outlts , such as CONCRETE in London.

His background is quite surprising , as he was in the army for some years , and then left to study fashion at art school in London . I remember reading an article in which he said that at art college he felt somewhat uneasy studying alongside colourful and flamboyant ' out and proud ' students like Matthew Williamson .

Having been around for some time , I fear that he tends to be overlooked on account of everyone going for ' The next big thing ' like KIM JONES ,with his own collection , plus the one for TOPMAN and another for UMBRO . Jo Casely Hayford is another neglected men's designer who has suffered pretty much the same fate as Robert Cary Williams .

KIT B)