Rooney Mara

[pixiedust1603]

Knowing the director and knowing Rooney's age, I'm assuming that Keira Knightley had the sense to reject the role of Tiger Lily. They reduced Tiger Lily and her circumstance to an absolute cartoonish caricature and that is gross. At least Hedlund looks hot I suppose...

 

[caitlinand]

Her casting is absolutely flagrant. And based on the trailer it doesn't even appear she got the role based on the merit of good acting. The only kind thing I can say about this is at least we'll get new outfits during the promo tour. Otherwise

Knowing the director and knowing Rooney's age, I'm assuming that Keira Knightley had the sense to reject the role of Tiger Lily. They reduced Tiger Lily and her circumstance to an absolute cartoonish caricature and that is gross. At least Hedlund looks hot I suppose...

100% behind you guys. It's disappointing that Rooney took this role. And to be honest, as chickadee said, it doesn't exactly look like a career maker... Her portrayal seems lifeless and blank. I only hope that she has some awareness of her mistake and doesn't make it again in the future.

 

[eizhowa]

Wasn't Tiger Lily a child? I only know the disney version

 

[Adri028456]

Not only was she a child, but a native american, so I am wondering what idiot decided this would be good casting. Worst is that Rooney accepted the role.

 

[chickadee]

Not only was she a child, but a native american, so I am wondering what idiot decided this would be good casting. Worst is that Rooney accepted the role.

What kills me is that they did it under the guise of being 'multicultural' as if a white actor playing a role written as a POC is something new and innovative.

And since I can't edit my above post, the only thing I'm really hoping for this promo is that she will bring out at least one dress that isn't black or white.

 

[fantastical]

You do realize how hypocritical it is to hope for her to "wear great dresses" while promoting a film you don't think she deserves to be in therefore taking away an opportunity for some other young actress of color.

I hope this film flops so badly.

 

[Benn98]

Just out of a matter of interest, who would you guys rather have preferred in this role? Q'orianka Kilcher cannot be cast as every native American character in HW. At this stage she's already stuck in a typecasting rut. And I cannot imagine anybody else with a solid resumé who could take this role.

I think you lot are inadvertently reducing Rooney to her race. Like, she's first white, and whatever else follow is somewhat irrelevant. How is that fair? She's tremendous at her job. Nobody bats an eyelid when straight guys play gay men, or women play men. In fact they're rewarded with Oscars and the entire decision is deemed progressive and diverse. Having Rooney in this role is the very definition of diversity!

 

[caitlinand]

Just out of a matter of interest, who would you guys rather have preferred in this role? Q'orianka Kilcher cannot be cast as every native American character in HW. At this stage she's already stuck in a typecasting rut. And I cannot imagine anybody else with a solid resumé who could take this role.

I think you lot are inadvertently reducing Rooney to her race. Like, she's first white, and whatever else follow is somewhat irrelevant. How is that fair? She's tremendous at her job. Nobody bats an eyelid when straight guys play gay men, or women play men. In fact they're rewarded with Oscars and the entire decision is deemed progressive and diverse. Having Rooney in this role is the very definition of diversity!

I'm sure there is more than one aspiring native american actress in the entire world... It doesn't have to be Q'orianka Kilcher. Also to me, Tiger Lily doesn't seem like a big role, despite its placement in the credits.

Having Rooney play Tiger Lily is the exact opposite of diversity. Hollywood is inundated with white people. How does casting a white female, in the place of a native american "diversify" an already white washed industry! Native americans need representation. The fact that you can only name one native american actress off the top of your head speaks volumes. You know what would have been seen as "progressive" (although it shames me to think)? Sadly enough, in this day and age, it would have been "progressive" to have a native american actress play an actual native american (shock horror). People of colour need representation, women of colour need representation. Why should we white wash the few roles that should be impossible to white wash?


Also just because an actor/actress plays a role that does not reflect their own ethnicity, does not mean it equates their acting to "great" or "Oscar-worthy". I bet there are many unknown, talented actresses that could do a great job. Quite frankly I'm not impressed by Rooney's performance in the trailer.

 

[caitlinand]

I should also point out that in the animated Peter Pan movie, the portrayal of Tiger Lily and the other native americans were racist enough as it was....

 

[eizhowa]

I should also point out that in the animated Peter Pan movie, the portrayal of Tiger Lily and the other native americans were racist enough as it was....

Thats because it was made in 1952... When racism was very much the norm. I think it would be wrong to deny the history of racism. And what about it? I don't get really the point of your comment. Are you suggesting that racism is unavoidable when making the movie?

I agree with you in post #925

 

[kokobombon]

If they weren´t going to cast a native american actress at least they should have cast a black or latin person imo, being that Tiger Lily is an ethnic character.
Lupita auditioned for the role, was it before she got big with 12 Years? producers missed a great oportunity there, given she then won an Oscar...

 

[pixiedust1603]

Having Lupita or any other person that was not Native American in the role would have been just as bad in my opinion. I think they should have just got a Native American actress.

 

[kokobombon]

^I honesty can´t think of any known native american actress for the role, they could have cast an unknown but I think they were going with known actors, weren´t they?

 

[eizhowa]

I think they should have gone with the best, willing actress (which I don't necessarily think is Mara). I don't think skin is a defining factor, as long as the actress can be convincing in the role (which I am not sure Mara is).

Has Rooney Mara made any comments about why she accepted the role?

I understand why the film makers would prefer a big star compared to a unknown girl, even though it is unfortunate.

 

[pixiedust1603]

^I honesty can´t think of any known native american actress for the role, they could have cast an unknown but I think they were going with known actors, weren´t they?

They have Hugh Jackman and Amanda Seyfried who are both known to the public in a fairytale story. It's probably gonna make money. Rooney is probably the least well known of the leads, Peter excluded, so I don't see why they couldn't have gone for an unknown.

I think in roles where the character is of a certain race, I think it does really matter especially in a production that claims to be multicultural. People from an ethnic minority rarely get chances to break out anyway and to effectively rob them of that chance is mind boggling. There are so many different types of people in the world and the thought that a big studio like Warner Brothers can't afford or be bothered to actually find an actress of Native American origin is laughable and honestly deplorable to me.

 

[Benn98]

I'm sure there is more than one aspiring native american actress in the entire world... It doesn't have to be Q'orianka Kilcher. Also to me, Tiger Lily doesn't seem like a big role, despite its placement in the credits.

Having Rooney play Tiger Lily is the exact opposite of diversity. Hollywood is inundated with white people. How does casting a white female, in the place of a native american "diversify" an already white washed industry! Native americans need representation. The fact that you can only name one native american actress off the top of your head speaks volumes. You know what would have been seen as "progressive" (although it shames me to think)? Sadly enough, in this day and age, it would have been "progressive" to have a native american actress play an actual native american (shock horror). People of colour need representation, women of colour need representation. Why should we white wash the few roles that should be impossible to white wash?


Also just because an actor/actress plays a role that does not reflect their own ethnicity, does not mean it equates their acting to "great" or "Oscar-worthy". I bet there are many unknown, talented actresses that could do a great job. Quite frankly I'm not impressed by Rooney's performance in the trailer.

There is no other native American actress which matches Q'orianka Kilcher's stature. Not any that I know of. And like I said, Kilcher doesnt need to exclusively portray such characters. The Tiger-Lily character isn't a prominent one in the story, but for this film clearly there's quite a bit of screen time allocated to it, judging from the trailer and the billing. It makes sense to get an Oscar nominated actress to portray it.

Stone me for this, but the lack of native American representation could be due to the fact that there's no substantial audience who's got a profound appreciation for their culture. As such, there's also a lack of bankable actors. Remember, this film will be distributed worldwide. How on earth do you expect a mainstream feature to market themselves with an unknown female lead abroad?

You seem to have this black-and-white rationalisation of diversity, which I dont particularly agree with. The Rooney/Tiger Lily agrument is of course such an easy target. I mentionioned earlier about the gender and sexuality reversals in HW which doesnt seem to faze anybody, yet race does? I certainly dont recall this type of reaction when Cate Blanchett portrayed Bob Dylan. It's blatant cherry-picking! Plain and simple.

Surely Pan should be afforded a bit of leniency? I mean, it's not like Tiger Lily is some historical figure. The film is intended as harmless entertainment aimed kiddies. The way I see it, they were looking for a famous girl with decent acting abilities. Rooney fits the bill. If you think that she's not the right actor for this based on merit, fine.

 

[kokobombon]

Stone me for this, but the lack of native American representation could be due to the fact that there's no substantial audience who's got a profound appreciation for their culture. As such, there's also a lack of bankable actors. Remember, this film will be distributed worldwide. How on earth do you expect a mainstream feature to market themselves with an unknown female lead abroad?

then it´s a vicious circle, isn´t it? HW has the power to make native american actors bankable and chooses not to, like in this case. And in many other movies, not just with NA but with black, latin and asians. I don´t think you have to be from a certain race to appreciate others...
Garrett Hedlund is not famous and yet he´s playing Hook

You seem to have this black-and-white rationalisation of diversity, which I dont particularly agree with. The Rooney/Tiger Lily agrument is of course such an easy target. I mentionioned earlier about the gender and sexuality reversals in HW which doesnt seem to faze anybody, yet race does? I certainly dont recall this type of reaction when Cate Blanchett portrayed Bob Dylan. It's blatant cherry-picking! Plain and simple.

the way I see it, being gay or a man/woman doesn´t limit to a certain race but being black/latin/native american does. So a straight man can play a gay character because it´s not a physical representation of a state of being.

Surely Pan should be afforded a bit of leniency? I mean, it's not like Tiger Lily is some historical figure. The film is intended as harmless entertainment aimed kiddies. The way I see it, they were looking for a famous girl with decent acting abilities. Rooney fits the bill. If you think that she's not the right actor for this based on merit, fine.

Pan producers talked about the cast being multiracial and yet all the main characters are white and may I add, they all have blue/green eyes!
You don´t think that a black/latin/native american kid doesn´t notice that no one looks like them in movies?

 

[Benn98]

then it´s a vicious circle, isn´t it? HW has the power to make native american actors bankable and chooses not to, like in this case. And in many other movies, not just with NA but with black, latin and asians. I don´t think you have to be from a certain race to appreciate others...
Garrett Hedlund is not famous and yet he´s playing Hook

Granted, Hedlund isnt your typical 'leading man' like Gosling or Gyllenhaal, but he has been doing tv work and other big budget productions. So I wouldnt say he's 'not famous'.
What I meant was there doesnt seem to be distinct crusade or push from the NA community themselves to demand more representation in HW. We've seen it however with the black and, to an extent, latin communities, and things have changed in their favour.

Sexuality and gender, along with race forms part of diversity in general. You cant just reduce the one in favour of another. So what you're basically saying is that we should tan Rooney up a bit, give her some contacts, and when she does match Tiger Lily 'aesthetically', that should be fine? Because in theory she too will have mastered the 'physical representation of a state of being' of her character?

No response for the third argument, completely get you there...

 

[Marc10]

This ain't no IMDb guys, let's get back ON-TOPIC please.

 

[5 8 6]

Rooney was at the Chanel Paris-Salzburg fashion show:

(tomandlorenzo.com)
She's wearing a Chanel fall 2014 haute couture dress.