The revolving door at Emanuel Ungaro (please put all Ungaro news here)

I don't agree with that as that's taking away someone who is possibly more worthy of that position. I'd rather the celebrity at their own "labels" as the majority discontinue within a few years anyways. Why must Lohan get paid to be an overly vocal "muse" at Ungaro? I'm not at all the biggest fan/follower of the Ungaro label, but it's terrible. I would have never thought something like this would happen.

i don't think that lohan's taking away from anyone. there's still a bonafide designer there. i don't see the material difference between putting her on the payroll this way and paying her millions to star in an ad campaign or pay her millions to develop a fragrance with them or pay her millions in "borrowed" clothes hoping she'll get photographed in it. fashion has a history -- even in the golden age -- of catering to celebrity and feeding off of it after all.
 
i dont agree that lindsay should be an artistic director or whatever bull s*** shes coming out with , there are plenty of students out there with amazing creativity and would kill for that job or even just to style the show .

but i agree with mikeljames with celebrities lending their names to a house to help its growth just as long as they are reputable names , lindsay in the past hasnt had the greatest of reputations , dundas' collections for ungaro were amazing and very parisian chic , just what the house needs , and i do think his collection for pucci was very balmain but now reese06 said it dundas was at ungaro doing what he does best way before christophe was at balmain

and also the whole thing of no sell = no job is totally true , esteban's collections were poorly taken to and we slightly hit and miss
 
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That is quite possibly the single most disheartening headline I have ever read in all the years I have followed fashion, and I'm not being the least bit over-dramatic. Think about it, how long is it before they hand full control of a house to a celebrity? How long is it until real designers, people with knowledge and skills and ideas, are secondary to the celebrities that are hired to create buzz? How long is it until someone like Lindsay Lohan takes a bow solo for work she didn't and couldn't possibly do? Like Scott already said, this just further cheapens what it is that fashion designers do, and cheapens the industry itself as far as I'm concerned.

Any news on Emanuel's health today? Were this my 40-something year old legacy, it's for sure I'd drop dead from the shock.

more from the NY Times

Ungaro, Looking for a Jolt, Hires Lohan


By ERIC WILSON
Published: September 9, 2009
EARLY this summer, Esteban Cortazar, the fashion prodigy and, for three seasons, the designer of the Paris fashion house Ungaro, balked when his bosses presented a plan to hire the actress Lindsay Lohan as his collaborator. According to a retail executive who is friendly with Mr. Cortazar, but who spoke on condition of anonymity because she did not want to jeopardize her store’s relationship with the house, he was asked an ultimate indignity: to take a bow atthe end of his runway show while holding Ms. Lohan’s hand. Mr. Cortazar quit in July.

On Wednesday, Ungaro announced that Ms. Lohan, whose public flameout was the talk of Hollywood in 2007, has indeed become its artistic adviser, working with a new chief designer, Estrella Archs. The move immediately raised eyebrows in the fashion world, because Ms. Lohan, who is not always known for her facility for keeping her clothes on, would become part of the artistic legacy of a 43-year-old label whose namesake, Emanuel Ungaro, was once a protégé of Cristobal Balenciaga, described in the Who’s Who of Fashion as “possibly the greatest couturier of all time.”
Mounir Moufarrige, the chief executive of the company, acknowledged in an interview that the move would likely create waves among French fashion purists, possibly even charges of bad taste, but he argued that the times called for a maneuver he likened to “electric shock treatment.”

Sales of the high-end Ungaro collection have dropped substantially since Mr. Ungaro sold his business in 1996, and none of the designers hired to replace him since his retirement five years ago have managed to draw much attention to the label. Mr. Moufarrige, who joined the label in 2006 and has previously turned around the fortunes of French luxury labels like Goyard and Chloé (with the controversial appointment of Stella McCartney as its designer in 1997), said it was unlikely that a single fashion designer who fits the traditional mold could rebuild Ungaro during the recession. The label, which has global sales of about $200 million, mostly from cheaper products sold in Japan and scarcely from the high-end runway collection, has been losing money for several years. Mr. Moufarrige would not say how much, only that, as a minority shareholder, he was not in the habit of throwing it away.

“A designer alone is not enough to get us back where we were, unless I had Tom Ford or Phoebe Philo,” he said. “But there are not many of those, and they are taken.”

Mr. Cortazar, who started his own label in Miami as a teenager, was also a controversial choice to design the collection, which is largely seen as a vehicle for marketing more than a profit maker for the company. Despite encouraging reviews, his work was not garnering sales or international press as the company was expanding in China and Japan. He was not available to comment on his replacements. Typically, it takes a designer, even a hot one, years to build a strong reputation, and Ungaro has been faulted for changing its creative head every couple of seasons, damaging its reputation among editors and retailers. Mr. Moufarrige said he was not afraid of shaking things up once again.

“We could spend two or three years with a designer and get a great collection again,” he said. “But that doesn’t mean people will buy it. Everybody’s got a nice collection.” But a celebrity, that’s another story, and one who draws the spotlight just for selling a line of leggings couldn’t do worse. “I looked at several, and they all had the same ingredients,” Mr. Moufarrige said. “If you are a celebrity, you may be controversial and prone to a lot of problems, but you attract a lot of attention.”

Ms. Lohan has not had an easy time rehabilitating her reputation among movie makers, and her last film, “Labor Pains,” went straight to cable. But Mr. Moufarrige said her notoriety was a plus, and he pointed out that she has appeared on the cover of countless fashion magazines, like Elle and Harper’s Bazaar in the United States and international editions of Vogue.
“The girl is good-looking,” he said. “If I have bad taste, then the fashion editors have bad taste.”

Ms. Lohan, in a phone interview, said she was trying not to psyche herself out by considering how the French might respond to her new role at Ungaro, or comparing herself to the designer, but she was a little nervous.“My fashion school has just been my experience with people in fashion, working on photo shoots and creating my own style,” she said. Asked how she felt about Mr. Cortazar’s departure from the house, given her impending arrival, she said: “I’m not coming in to take over and take away from anyone. I’m just bringing insight to things.”

She has wanted to work in fashion since she was a little girl, she said, and she follows the industry closely. She did, in fact, know that Mr. Ungaro once worked for Balenciaga. “When I say I love fashion, I really do,” she said. “I live and breath fashion and clothing. There are so many designers I really admire and look up to. It’s such a rush for me. There’s this Balmain motorcycle jacket, and when I got one of the few they made without the shoulder pads, I literally screamed. Some people might look at me like I’m crazy or like I’m psychotic, but it makes me really happy.”

More to the point, Mr. Moufarrige’s strategy reflects a change in fashion that is being driven by the recession. It no longer makes sense, he said, to pay a star designer a $3 million salary. Though he would not say how much he is paying Ms. Lohan, he does expect a higher dividend, given the inevitable attention her involvement will generate.
“She’s a very clever person,” he said. “She’s not a designer. She’s an artistic adviser. She gives ideas on what she would wear. And I needed to bring down the average age group of Ungaro. The average age right now is 60.”
 
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I think people are too eager to dismiss Lohan. Sure, she isn't the most logical choice for 'aritistic director' of a revered fashion house, but so what?

I think that what Lohan will add to the aesthetic is a sense of excitement. God knows that she will wear half of the collection to events and premieres, which means more exposure for Ungaro.

Whichever way you look at it, money drives people to perform and perhaps with each collection they will invest in better assistant designers/stylists etc. Honestly, I predict Lohan's role will minimize with each season. I can't see her consulting for more than one or two seasons to be honest.

Lets just hope Archs is competent enough to create an exciting canvas to work with! :lol: :innocent:
 
I see absolutely NOTHING wrong w/ celebrities "designing" and having fashion lines, but this is a bit much lol.
 
Lets just hope Archs is competent enough to create an exciting canvas to work with! :lol: :innocent:

i cannot agree with you more. no one thinks kanye west takes away from marc jacobs talent nor mark ronson frida gianini. it's really up to the designers to blow our minds, they just brought lindsay along for the buzz factor which clearly has already created a splash.
 
Kanye West and Marc Ronson haven't been given an actual position by the houses that they're loosely associated with, probably because neither Bernard Arnault or Francois Pinault (or for that matter Marc Jacobs or Frida Giannini) are stupid enough to think that letting some washed up celebrity in on the design process is smart for their labels. This is in a whole other league from wearing clothes or endorsing a product that was designed with you in mind. We're talking about giving a piece of control over what the collection and product looks like to someone who has no concept of the business or creative end of the fashion industry.
 
^ Exactly. The projects mentioned are temporary small collections of a few items. There is a huge difference.
 
^ Exactly. The projects mentioned are temporary small collections of a few items. There is a huge difference.

except gucci and louis vuitton remain HUGE operations. although the financial details of those collaborations haven't seen the light of day, i suspect they're in the same neighborhood as the lindsay lohan offer. i'd throw the timberlake/givenchy deal in this batch, too. same fish, smaller pond.

for those who hate the idea of this appointment, who do you think ungaro could have named -- who doesn't have a job -- to create the hysteria they need to make ungaro a top-tier house again. he made a great point: tom ford and phoebe philo have jobs. in the absence of marquee designers -- which, for the record, many in this forum also rail against -- this seems the direction these houses have to go to stay competitive.
 
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Both Ford and Philo were secondary players behind the scenes before they got their chance to shine. I don't think a big name is the only answer here, and honestly neither Ford nor Philo would be a good match at Ungaro even if they were free.

They need a designer with substantial skills and enough confidence to do what it is that they feel without any hesitation. I mean, if you hammer home the same message one season after the next, people will catch on.

As for well known designers, I could see Christopher Kane bringing something interesting to the plate. He loves color and print, his aesthetic is youthful and fun, and his collections are always really focused. I mean, Donatella's got him on hold so it's pretty much a pipe dream, but I could see him doing something with Ungaro.
 
While I was never a fan of Cortazar, for his own line or Ungaro, I do not blame him for a second for leaving over Lohan. He worked his way up the fashion ladder, and I would probably do the same thing if I was in his position.

Lindsay Lohan isn't even a fashionable celebrity. She had good style a couple of years ago for a short period when Rachel Zoe worked with her, but these days its lucky if she leaves the house with all her private parts fully covered. Not to mention her erratic and consistently unprofessional behavior. I don't understand why the owners want that liability. Its not like she is even that popular or successful to bring new clientele to the house. I am baffled.
 
^
I agree. There is a HUGE difference between making a splash and selling clothes and while people are surprised about Lindsay's appointment and talking about it, it's not in a good way. It's not like 'oh I love the way she dresses - I have my hesitation but I'm curious' it's like 'what on Earth was this owner thinking?'

To be honest, the problem here isn't even the designer, it's the owner. It takes a couple of seasons to get a feel for the collection and start re-building a following and I don't think the owner has the patience for that.

And exactly what premieres and events will Lindsay be wearing Ungaro to?! :lol: Certainly not her own - she is supposed to be in production on something but no one is knocking down her door. She's barely even allowed onto other people's carpets. She lost all the clout she had a couple years ago when as aforementioned, she was working with Rachel Zoe.
 
^hehehe...

it's just terrible all round. and i agree i blame this more on the owners. talking about lindsay being unprofessional....how unprofessional a decision is this? it's obvious they're clouded by status over actual substance and i can only imagine this heading toward a downward spiral as soon as it begins. as if the current climate isn't bad enough for fashion houses,i can't imagine anyone putting their trust and investments into something like this.

spike i was thinking exactly the same thing myself...what on earth,wherever he may be,is emanuel thinking?
 
again, i repeat, while i hear all of this consternation over the appointment of lindsay lohan, who would my esteemed collegues in this forum name instead? as mentioned above, christopher kane has a job designing for versace's bridge line, versus. also, i don't know many celebrities jumping at the bit to actually get into the business of fashion -- mary kate and ashley, justin timberlake, sienna miller et al -- who don't have jobs already.

also, we have a convenient sense of amnesia when it comes to celebrity: america takes particular pleasure in building people up only to tear them down. lindsay lohan is no more sadder off than the britney spears, drew berrymores, and jason batemans of the world. most of the judgements people have of her happened before she even turned twenty one.

but again, i repeat, who else?
 
^^ At least the house will now go out with a bang rather than a whimper :p

Lindsay is always talking about how she screams or cries when she gets some big expensive status item, like these are her fashion bona fides ... is anyone respecting her more for these shows of emotion? :unsure:

Good for Esteban ... it's nice to know there's someone left with a shred of pride and dignity. As for Lindsay ... the best I can say is that she is a small but significant step above Paris Hilton, in that at one time she apparently displayed actual talent.

And now I guess we get to sit back and find out once and for all if all publicity is good publicity.
 
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Lindsay Lohan isn't even a fashionable celebrity. She had good style a couple of years ago for a short period when Rachel Zoe worked with her, but these days its lucky if she leaves the house with all her private parts fully covered. Not to mention her erratic and consistently unprofessional behavior. I don't understand why the owners want that liability. Its not like she is even that popular or successful to bring new clientele to the house. I am baffled.

Couldn't have said it better.

again, i repeat, while i hear all of this consternation over the appointment of lindsay lohan, who would my esteemed collegues in this forum name instead? as mentioned above, christopher kane has a job designing for versace's bridge line, versus. also, i don't know many celebrities jumping at the bit to actually get into the business of fashion -- mary kate and ashley, justin timberlake, sienna miller et al -- who don't have jobs already.

also, we have a convenient sense of amnesia when it comes to celebrity: america takes particular pleasure in building people up only to tear them down. lindsay lohan is no more sadder off than the britney spears, drew berrymores, and jason batemans of the world. most of the judgements people have of her happened before she even turned twenty one.

but again, i repeat, who else?

We heard you the first 2432432 times. Its not our job to decide who's best for the line, so theres no point in asking us. They could've asked Taylor Momsen or Rachel Bilson or Lauren Conrad or some model but people still wouldve complained.
 
It's not that it's Lindsay Lohan thats the problem. I like Lindsay, she's actually one of the more fashionable young celebs I think and I think shes very pretty, but Ungaro is just becoming a sad joke now. Everything theyve been doing since Peter left has become absolute garbage. It's painful to watch ANYONE represent the line now.
 
Lindsay's reccent interview, or lack of, in British Elle just goes to show her total unproffesionalism. She was twelve hours late for her photoshoot, and never turned up for a single one of the many meetings the journalist had with her. And so if she's been chosen as some form of ambassador then I really question the sanity of whoever has chosen her. She doesn't appear at premieres and events because she can generally get no work on anything that requires a premiere lately.

But if they actually expect her to put the hours in and actually do the work? Well, I question their sanity even more. She's proven many times she's unreliable and unproffesional, not to mention the clear lack of qualifications.

Her style is not something that is considered particuarly great either, so what exactly has recommened her above others for this job I wonder?
 
Facchinetti could have done it. She seems to me to be the most versatile designer I've known.
 

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