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US Elle October 2020 : BLACKPINK by Kim Hee June

but I don't think people did the same when Britney got her Vogue cover at 20 or Emma Watson and Kirsten Stewart got the same just because of their roles in teenage movies. So, I don't think questioning the cover subject just because of the age of most of its public is the fairest thing to do.
But they did, hard to find a Britney example of online debate because she came a little before that (maybe someone could check on the letters US Vogue received in the months following her November 2001 cover) but I clearly remember people looked down on these pop stars being anywhere (cause they were everywhere), especially in a oh-so-sacred a fashion magazine. Teen idols have always been divisive and either generate irrational love or bitter rejection, and I say bitter because they only people that bother to reject them are usually past the target age group and often dismissive or suspicious about literally anything that teenagers or young people love, it's almost like they were never teenagers themselves. Teens have idols, these idols generate quick and huge amounts of money and magazines, especially in a bad year, benefit from it, it's nothing too complicated.
 
Haven't heard a single song of theirs but some of the individual covers are stunning! Nice to see Asian representation in Western magazines.
 
Years ago, when they appeared in mainstream fashion magazines, criticism of teen idols was centred around them not reflecting the interests of their readerships - in 2020, we've so become used to publications exclusively chasing after a younger market that we forget that Vogue etc were primarily aimed at adult women with adult lives, with hard-won independence in so many ways, and no wish to return to a state of adolescence other than not accumulating so many wrinkles on your face.

Being adult was desirable and your passport to a glamorous life; being a teenager was being powerless.

But in a world where all that matters is chasing clicks online, that's all gone out the window, and we're all encouraged to regress or remain in a teenage mindset - it's being sold the most desirable state of existence.

I'm meandering now, but I've always thought the internet encourages an adolescent approach to life in general - people online of any age are surrounded by the idea that, when it comes to forming an identity, all that matters is the consumption of visibly labelled goods for display to others, and the bulk of online communication involves the sort of petty commentary that comes naturally to most teenagers but tends to get left behind once you move into the adult world.

Being adolescent is a natural phase that we all remember, but you'll be an adult woman (or man) for a lot longer than you'll ever be a teenager, so it makes sense to concentrate on doing the best job of being who you are, not who you were.

To be shamed for having left behind your teenage years, and having no further interest in acting like one, is the sound of the marketing departments gnashing their teeth, sensing lost sales, because it's easy to sell to people with a teenage mindset.

How does this relate back to magazines? I've recently started adding a few vintage issues to my collections (ones I didn't have the chance to get at the time) and reading through them is such a refreshing reminder of the joys of being... older than a teenager and a magazine talking to you on that level. If you tried to shoehorn a teen idol into a Vogue or Elle of any sort in 1990, it would have been a feature on page 78 of the issue, not the entire issue's main selling point.

Times change.
 
Not really. A friend of mine, who is 29 like me, is a huge K-Pop stan and she never buys a magazine except for anything that features K-Pop stars. She collected Vogue Korea issues that has Exo, Bigbang, and well, Blackpink on the cover. She would even purchase a magazine that does a feature on them even if they’re not on the cover like that Time Magazine’s Person of the Year Issue in which BTS was included.

My point is, don’t create a preconceived notion that these groups are only adored by teens. There are adults with buying power who would also purchase anything related to them, particulary outside of US. Personally, they’re not my cup of tea either. But for anyone who asks to be woken up once this zeitgeist is over, well, you may have to sleep longer than expected.
Fair point!
 
[...] we forget that Vogue etc were primarily aimed at adult women with adult lives, with hard-won independence in so many ways, and no wish to return to a state of adolescence other than not accumulating so many wrinkles on your face.

Being adult was desirable and your passport to a glamorous life; being a teenager was being powerless.

But in a world where all that matters is chasing clicks online, that's all gone out the window, and we're all encouraged to regress or remain in a teenage mindset - it's being sold the most desirable state of existence.
I might have a cynical approach but I get the impression that magazines, from day one, have always targeted those willing to invest on them. If we go back in time, past the days (30-20 years ago) when magazines were okay with having 15 year old models on their covers but their content, paradoxically, constantly made references about the independent businesswomen as the ideal Vogue woman, we will see that the income of men via housewives preceded them, for much longer than women with a career or 30 year olds going on 13. Readers were quietly or explicitly told about the lifestyle of women who were charming enough to land a successful man and invested in their look enough to keep him, how to enjoy what he provided or how to surprise him with cooking or a smaller waist. During this time and the days of the 'independent woman', fashion magazines were still the only window to fashion for most women (and sophistication and making yourself more physically attractive).

This current switch happened after 9/11 and recessions ever since have only made fashion desperately pursue a younger audience. In catastrophic years like 2020, aided by a business that's already in decline, it's no surprise that they're pandering to an audience that includes actual children. So in addition to this type of strategies making me think it's pure survival to now target the income of a family (if you can afford to have children, you most certainly can afford to buy them a magazine) instead of the income of adults who statistically will not be able to even own a home for decades, I wonder if it's also growing, evidenced (through whatever marketing studies publications rely on now more than ever) disinterest among adult women.

I know women in their late 20s, early 30s who like fashion, dress well, invest their hard-earned money in it more than I ever will... but they don't buy fashion magazines. Personally, I bought them obsessively and even skipped school lunch so I could afford them when I was under 20. As I got older, and especially now in my early 30s, what could I possibly get from a fashion magazine? imagery I like? I'm picky about it, I may love one picture at the most so I'm not going to carry a whole book of undesirable content (how to diminish stretch marks, new anti-wrinkle technology, a Vogue editor realises she has PTSD, growing up discriminated in Alabama, can florals ever look good in a snowstorm?, who is Emma Chamberlain?, etc) based on one picture I can just get off the internet. Similarly, unless it's a habit you have kept for decades, I honestly don't understand why a grown woman with a hectic professional life (and an internet connection) would routinely buy fashion magazines, especially when it's not some one-of-a-kind one centered on in depth interviews or photography or art-oriented content but this commercial type that have always been a compilation of little vapid notes about equally superficial and outdated observations on trending topics and general culture.... when you can just google whatever question you have (stretch marks, emma, PTSD) and get a variety of answers.

While the covers say 'we don't want to fold', I think the content is more ambitious than in previous decades by remaining centered on the aspirational for a diverse group: it alleviates a grown woman's insecurities (you now -without having to google- have a light clue on most stuff from cosmetic surgery to celebrities and fashion than you did before opening the magazine) and continues to make teenagers feel like their idols (in the case of this cover: all women in the early and mid 20s) are a part of a glossy, irresistible, glamorous world they would first have to be older and wealthier in order to get close to but it's so exclusive even then they might never even be able to enter it (fashion).

My conclusion is that while target groups change, social context take groups out of the equation sometimes, women in particular (thankfully) depend less on this type of publication, so magazines search and move on to a more naive, limited or curious group to rely on for sales, just like they always did...
 
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COVER STORY
"Blackpink In Your Area (And Everywhere)"



Photographer -- KIM Hee-June
Stylist -- PARK Min-Hee
Fashion Direction -- Charles Varenne
Hair Stylist -- Seonyeong Lee at Garten
Make-up Artist -- Myungsun Lee at Woosun
Manicurist -- Eunkyung Park at Unistella
Set Design -- Seo-Yun Choi at Darak
Production -- LEE Kyung-Kim at BL Creative House

Singers:
Ji-Soo Kim (Jisoo)
Jennie Kim (Jennie)
Roseanne Park (Rosé)
Lalisa Manoban (Lisa)

Source -- Fashion Magazine - Beauty Tips, Fashion Trends, & Celebrity News - ELLE



Read the entire interview here --
Blackpink's Lisa, Jennie, Rosé, and Jisoo on First Full Album and Global Fame
 
As I got older, and especially now in my early 30s, what could I possibly get from a fashion magazine? imagery I like? I'm picky about it, I may love one picture at the most so I'm not going to carry a whole book of undesirable content (how to diminish stretch marks, new anti-wrinkle technology, a Vogue editor realises she has PTSD, growing up discriminated in Alabama, can florals ever look good in a snowstorm?, who is Emma Chamberlain?, etc) based on one picture I can just get off the internet.

You liked Robbie Myers' Elle, and that was very recent. The best part of her tenure wasn't actually imagery (I mean, it was never going to be with Bellemere shooting edits and Samira Nasr doing the styling), it was written content. The type of content that wasn't just about stretch marks and anti-ageing and such, but addressing self-improvement and career advice without sounding condescending, well-written celebrity profiles, etc. Also, Robbie was the only American fashion magazine who didn't give a cover to Kim Kardashian.
The point I'm making is that the demand for curated content with a defined point of view is there, probably always will be for mature women despite the internet. But it's not profitable enough for big corporations like Hearst and CN to explore and have a go at it because it means the number of advertisers and exposure they can get is limited. They don't just want you, they also want you 14-yer old niece reading the same magazine. And that's the reason why we have magazines like Vogue Australia who may put Billie Eilish or Kylie Jenner on their cover, but the content is exclusively geared towards the 27+ set. In the end, nobody wins.
 
Years ago, when they appeared in mainstream fashion magazines, criticism of teen idols was centred around them not reflecting the interests of their readerships - in 2020, we've so become used to publications exclusively chasing after a younger market that we forget that Vogue etc were primarily aimed at adult women with adult lives, with hard-won independence in so many ways, and no wish to return to a state of adolescence other than not accumulating so many wrinkles on your face.

Being adult was desirable and your passport to a glamorous life; being a teenager was being powerless.

But in a world where all that matters is chasing clicks online, that's all gone out the window, and we're all encouraged to regress or remain in a teenage mindset - it's being sold the most desirable state of existence.

I'm meandering now, but I've always thought the internet encourages an adolescent approach to life in general - people online of any age are surrounded by the idea that, when it comes to forming an identity, all that matters is the consumption of visibly labelled goods for display to others, and the bulk of online communication involves the sort of petty commentary that comes naturally to most teenagers but tends to get left behind once you move into the adult world.

Being adolescent is a natural phase that we all remember, but you'll be an adult woman (or man) for a lot longer than you'll ever be a teenager, so it makes sense to concentrate on doing the best job of being who you are, not who you were.

To be shamed for having left behind your teenage years, and having no further interest in acting like one, is the sound of the marketing departments gnashing their teeth, sensing lost sales, because it's easy to sell to people with a teenage mindset.

How does this relate back to magazines? I've recently started adding a few vintage issues to my collections (ones I didn't have the chance to get at the time) and reading through them is such a refreshing reminder of the joys of being... older than a teenager and a magazine talking to you on that level. If you tried to shoehorn a teen idol into a Vogue or Elle of any sort in 1990, it would have been a feature on page 78 of the issue, not the entire issue's main selling point.

Times change.
I think many people miss their teenagers years as life was much simpler then. They work a stupid job that definitely doesn't compensate you enough for your productivity, where overtime that isn't mandatory is actually mandatory, where health issues may put your out work or even get you fired, little vacation time, long hours, all while having to feed yourself and maybe a family. You grow cranky at the world, even grow conservative, and you start blaming politicians, immigrants, and the media for everything that is wrong with your life. In the 90s people had hope for the future, but there isn't any at the moment.
 
Elle is trying, I'll give them that..
 
Why so much negativity? Because they are not Western? Maybe people feels threatened by the "Evil Far East", even with such an innocent thing as a Magazine cover. Dua Lipa was on the cover of the September Issue, so what is the big deal about this October-cover? I am not a big fan of these girls but I like the fact that pop-music finally is not only about american productions.
 
I wonder if the thread would be this heated if it were a western musician? Asking for an Asian friend.

Seriously speaking though, it's refreshing to see different faces on a cover of a mainstream US mag.

Yes, I wonder too. Did Dua Lipa cause the same negative reactions?
 
Well, yes, because she's dull as dishwater in her fashion shoots and has no discernable modelling skills beyond having a pretty face and the ability to stand in front of a camera.

Alicia Vikander's threads might be of interest to anyone who wonders whether white women get a free pass when appearing on the front of fashion magazines.

A handier mantra might be: it's TFS - we'll whinge about everything and anyone, all of the time.
 
Got this in the mail today. 134 pages.

Review:

"Living History"
Photographer: Renell Medrano
Stylist: Shibon Kennedy
Models: Fatou Jobe, Eniola Abioro

"True Grit"
Photographer: Jason Pietra
Stylist: Ryan Young
Model: Monika Clarke

"The Lake House"
Photographer:Nick Riley Bentham
Stylist: Rebecca Dennett
Model: Saffron Vadher

Also, Shannon Doherty, black equestrian riders, the rise of the one-month stand
 
Got this in the mail today. 134 pages.

Review:

"Living History"
Photographer: Renell Medrano
Stylist: Shibon Kennedy
Models: Fatou Jobe, Eniola Abioro

"True Grit"
Photographer: Jason Pietra
Stylist: Ryan Young
Model: Monika Clarke

"The Lake House"
Photographer:Nick Riley Bentham
Stylist: Rebecca Dennett
Model: Saffron Vadher

Also, Shannon Doherty, black equestrian riders, the rise of the one-month stand
Omg, where is Alex?
 
Everytime I click into Elle's thread, I am hoping to see some eye candy by Alex White...:doh:
 
Interested to see the Nick Riley Bentham editorial.. anyone have a preview?
 

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