Vogue Netherlands December 2024 : Ugbad Abdi by Wikkie Hermkens

[velvetandsilk]

I recommend everyone to read it: Black Wave: Saudi Arabia, Iran and the Rivalry That Unravelled the Middle East by Kim Ghattas, it discusses events from the 70s that have an impact on what you are all discussing here.

OMG these forums have unfortunately became so toxic. If the girl wears hijab, that’s her right, let her be, judge fashion and styling not start debate about religion!!! It’s like you give a child a finger and he wants the whole hand. Like seriously… I am getting fed up with this… These are FASHION forums or they used to be. I don’t care for politics, religion and other personal matters, I come here to escape to a bit of glamour. Not everything needs to be cultural inappropriation… not everybody have second thoughts about everything. Talk about fashion or leave. Okay!

High fashion has always been linked to politics, after all, it originated at the royal court in Versailles.

 

[Phuel]

OMG these forums have unfortunately became so toxic. If the girl wears hijab, that’s her right, let her be, judge fashion and styling not start debate about religion!!! It’s like you give a child a finger and he wants the whole hand. Like seriously… I am getting fed up with this… These are FASHION forums or they used to be. I don’t care for politics, religion and other personal matters, I come here to escape to a bit of glamour. Not everything needs to be cultural inappropriation… not everybody have second thoughts about everything. Talk about fashion or leave. Okay!

LMFAO It’s “toxic" to be critical of a symbol of oppression???? And of course: Never be critical of religion when it’s shoved in your face LOOOL Just vapidly gush at the pretty models and the cool rags. You leave.

 

[blueorchid]

I come here to escape to a bit of glamour.

In 2024 you're looking at current magazines for GLAMOUR? Girl, where?

 

[MulletProof]

^^^ Mullet’s posts always ends up revealing a glimpse of a-day-in-the-life-of-Mullet LOL

Somalian women generally have that face shape and refined features that are enhanced when they wear their hair pulled back in a tight chignon; …don’t quite get how you’re seeing “bald” LMFAO And when they possess model-standard features and the height and physique, then they’re on another level. I worked with a group of Somalian models, and every single frame they took was good, from every angle. (And long hair to many women is what a beard is to many men— I’d even say the overwhelming majority of men will instantly improve their looks if they grow a decent beard. Except for fat men convinced that their beards give them a jawline LOOOL)

The annoyance with the story is, first of all…who cares about her fam…??? Just like who cares if you’re a pregnant model: You’re not Demi Moore…??? Unless they’re my friend, my boyfriend, I don’t care about your fam and your pregnancy on the cover of a fashion magazine. And again, it’s not the religious symbol of her covering, it’s that it’s fully displayed, with not a dare to elevate it as a high fashion concept— like Gaultier did with his "Rabbi Chic” collection. That particular collection of course had its share of controversy and criticism, but it definitely did not incite sacrilege, which elevating the hijab to high fashion absolutely would. High fashion is escapism, fantasy, dreamweaving, and bringing in a, like @tomtakesphotos posted, a solemn/drab reality, kills the fantasy. It isn’t an annoyance with Ugbad nor with women living in the west that have freely chosen to cover themselves, and I’d be an absolute hypocrite to drag someone for being religiously conservative when I’m going on about freedom of choice etc.

But most of all, my annoyance is with a high fashion publication from a predominantly White region, and their glamorization of again— a solemn symbol, one that means oppression to whole other group of people, in Iran, the ME and the West. Seriously, cast Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the cover of their Vogue, if they want a true “Female Force”.



Because Ugbad lives in the US and is on the cover of Vogue Nederland— not living in Afghanistan and on the cover of Vogue Iran LOL

Okay, I don't care about Ugbad's family, not because I'm above nosiness but because I'm too old for that, my nosiness now thrives in details about the private lives of those who cross me at work ☕. But, as a teenager, the way I devoured the same recycled story about the family of Natalia Vodianova! (it's how now, years later, I have concluded she was an escort but don't quote me on this!!). I actually knew more or less the number of siblings, background, certainly the origin, of most in-demand models haha.. so yeah this story may not be for you or me but more for the impressionable young girls who look up to her, or who are just generally fascinated by models, which tends to be chapter I of what often becomes a lifelong interest on fashion.

We had this discussion before regarding the model who quit modeling because it wasn't modest and it was incompatible with her hijab, she was awful and yeah, fashion by its very definition, and certainly by the tag in its products, IS the opposite of modesty so maybe think again if you're a purist on that!. But I think it's futile to try to find perfect symmetry and coherence in our beliefs, especially those originated by religions (they're all bizarre!).. the sluttiest people I know are also the people who for whatever reason, always want to marry in a bombastic white dress which is, originally, the symbol of modesty and virginity. The 'bride', in a white dress, holds a very privileged spot in HC, which is as high fashion (and immodest) as it gets, so fashion accommodating questionable traditions and beliefs, is nothing new. Fashion serves society, it really does not function as a parallel world because look at it now, its scope for originality and autonomy is almost nonexistent. And magazines in the West have opened up a little bit because they have active consumers who, surprise, are not white. You may say 'oh yeah but it's predominantly white!', yeah and we're not talking about what predominates but what exists in a society and is present and denying it brings more problems than solutions. If Vogue Japan celebrated everything except Japanese culture for decades, let Vogue NL at least try to tackle every demographic that can bring some $!

 

[Mr Yayo]

She's so beautiful, I wish I could easily get hold of this issue - but there's also something nice about yearning from afar, instead of spending money to find out just how disappointing yet another edition of Vogue is.

Same! I wish they had kept the shop below Vogue House in London coz they used to have all the Vogue editions under one roof there