Yasser Arafat Dies At 75

[CelineChic]

Originally posted by Acid@Nov 16 2004, 09:23 PM
they're so dumb the way they fire guns like its a toy
i saw it on the news......there were thousands of people in a small space and some idiots just firing their machine guns into the air

CLEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Many cultures do that in a celebratory manner. Although it’s mostly Middle Eastern countries there are also other countries such as Greece and Colombia that do it.

I agree its not the safest thing to do but they do purposely fire it into the air so no one gets hurt. I think the shooting towards the tent was done intentionally… its not like someone is stupid enough to not know the difference between the air and a green tent.

 

[tangerine]

Originally posted by CelineChic@Nov 16 2004, 07:20 PM
Many cultures do that in a celebratory manner. Although it’s mostly Middle Eastern countries there are also other countries such as Greece and Colombia that do it.

I agree its not the safest thing to do but they do purposely fire it into the air so no one gets hurt. I think the shooting towards the tent was done intentionally… its not like someone is stupid enough to not know the difference between the air and a green tent.

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Well, what goes up, must come down...

It's difficult to find statistics on the number of celebratory gunfire incidents each year, but in this country it's not terribly common, said Katherine Terry, program administrator for UAB's Injury Control Research Center, which studies a wide range of health issues, such as injury prevention and safety.

"It's more common in Iraq," said Terry, noting that in the U.S. it's more common in the largest cities. "New York, New Orleans and Los Angeles have the biggest problems."

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The danger in a bullet is its speed and mass when it strikes, said Ken Howell, an Alabama native and nationally known firearms expert in Stevensville, Mont.

A common .22 caliber long rifle bullet fired from a pistol goes at about the speed of sound, Howell said, which is about 1,100 feet per second at sea level. From a rifle, such a bullet leaves the muzzle at about 1,260 feet per second.

Coming down, depending on wind resistance, angle and other factors, according to National Rifle Association data, the bullet is traveling between 300 feet per second and 500 feet per second, Terry said.

Since a bullet, even a small one like a .22, going 100 feet per second can pierce skin and one going 200 feet per second can shatter bone, a bullet coming down from a celebratory shot "can rip through lots of skin and bone. And if it hits your head, you're in lots and lots of trouble," Terry said.

The faster and bigger a bullet is, the more damage it can do. The angle at which it's fired is another factor, Howell said.

"One thing is, it's dangerous enough when it goes straight up and down. It's far more dangerous on an angle. The bullet goes faster," Howell said.

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[CelineChic]

Originally posted by tangerine@Nov 17 2004, 02:19 AM
Well, what goes up, must come down...
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Good point.

My boyfriends father and uncles were celebrating the wedding of my boyfriend's cousin and they were all happy and shooting in the air and then all of a sudden a bird fell dead on the ground.

I know it's not supposed to be funny but I can't help but laugh at that story

 

[oanadobre]

Originally posted by CelineChic@Nov 17 2004, 05:11 PM
Good point.

My boyfriends father and uncles were celebrating the wedding of my boyfriend's cousin and they were all happy and shooting in the air and then all of a sudden a bird fell dead on the ground.

I know it's not supposed to be funny but I can't help but laugh at that story

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Poor birdie...

 

[shabby_N_Chic]

Hi everyone,
Gosh, this thread was sure interesting. I am actually feeling bad I didnt come online earlier. I know the debate is over but I sure would have liked to share my views which are inclined with Celinechics. I, in no way want to reopen the debate but I do think alot of people need top open their eyes into the injustices that happen to the Palestinians.

 

[kragirl]

I'm aware but I wish that the other Ms. Chic could've seen that too. Though of course it's not them that are the only ones to suffer, it's everyone including the Israelis too. Not to say that you don't see that either, now that's the big difference between us two. (not re-opening a debate)












My name is kragirl and I approve of this message, paid for by D-Bo's wings n' things

 

[shabby_N_Chic]

Israeli leaders always justify their violence as self-defense against "Palestinian terror." But Israel has long been the master at using terrorism to achieve its goals.
Israel drove almost 1 million Palestinians from their homes into refugee camps in 1948.Zionist forces used massacres in a handful of villages--most famously in Deir Yassin--to strike fear into the hearts of Palestinians.... I am not sure if many of you are familiar with this but one of the most horrific war crimes of the 20th century took place 20 years ago,which was the slaughter of defenseless Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatila camps in Lebanon during Israel's 1982 invasion. The Isreali's killed everyone they found inluding women and children...what is more scary is the way they killled them (too violent to mention).

I do not believe in violence but I guess history has taught us what is taken away from you by force you can only get by force.

 

[purplelucrezia]

Originally posted by shabby_N_Chic@Nov 17 2004, 08:27 PM
I do not believe in violence but I guess history has taught us what is taken away from you by force you can only get by force.

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It's cowardly to be doing it that way though. Proper people don't kill like that. Destroy the soldiers, fine- they signed up for that... But not the others, and not in that way.
( I will leave this topic alone!)

 

[shabby_N_Chic]

In the past Isreali's have not been killing soliders but normal palistinian civilians, peace activists who are westerners and foreign camera-men too.

 

[tangerine]

I think we can agree that there has been a lot of bloodshed on both sides, and that innocents have been killed in great number on both sides.

The question is, can we move forward and find a way to co-exist, or must we continue with an eye for an eye until all are blind?

As has been stated previously (thanks brother), if we cannot discuss this peacefully and with mutual respect on a fashion forum, it is unlikely that there can be peace in the contested land itself.

 

[purplelucrezia]

Totally agreed there, well said tangerine.

 

[kragirl]

Originally posted by tangerine@Nov 17 2004, 10:05 PM
I think we can agree that there has been a lot of bloodshed on both sides, and that innocents have been killed in great number on both sides.

The question is, can we move forward and find a way to co-exist, or must we continue with an eye for an eye until all are blind?

As has been stated previously (thanks brother), if we cannot discuss this peacefully and with mutual respect on a fashion forum, it is unlikely that there can be peace in the contested land itself.

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well said, and thank you hon, I mean I've been trying to say that it has happened on both sides for the longest, but oh well....

 

[purplelucrezia]

Originally posted by purplelucrezia@Nov 14 2004, 12:21 AM
...They each choose the pictures that they want to display to express their point. I was looking for a picture of a child earlier on, to get my point across, and I honestly saw children both both sides dead and bodied.
In the end- they all looked the same to me. Dead children, that's all. Whether they had the Palenstine flag draped over them or a Star of David. It's hard to express an argument when all you're seeing is that.
I could argue each of the sides so, so well here. I can do it, and I could fight to the bitter end over it. I'm not a weak person, I don't think. It's just that, sometimes I choose not to. Sometimes I just get tired, like right now. Each of the sides have things going for them, and against them. Both sides are desparate, and both have loyal followers who are willing to do whatever they think will get them what they want.

It's really just dead bodies though.

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I just wanted to repost this again.

 

[ahhGucci]

I just love the way you all prefer to remain euphamistic about the whole issue.

Tangerine made a great point, and its something that I agree with. It has to stop somewhere.
But I get the feeling that many people here feel it is only the obligation of the Palestinians to end the violence, and not that of the Isreali government.

I ask all those who wish to debate on this topic to read up on the history of the Zionist movement (it helps to know what your talking about before you go pointing the finger).

 

[ahhGucci]

Many people think of Yaaser Arafat as a terrorist, what do you think of Nelson Mandela?

 

[softgrey]

is ther a name for the scarf thing that arafat always wore?...

 

[tangerine]

Originally posted by softgrey@Nov 18 2004, 03:08 PM
is ther a name for the scarf thing that arafat always wore?...

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kaffiyeh (there are other spellings)

 

[kragirl]

I don't know about his scarf but one dude ripped off the other flag and put a another one similar to his scarf during that whole stampede of a crowd. but putting arafat and mandela in the same presence is uninevitable, not to say that you were my friend

 

[softgrey]

i don't think uninevitable is a word...
maybe you shoudl try re-phrasing?...

thanks tangerine...
i really like those...i have one that i got in the eighties and used to wear as a scarf...does it have any religious significance or is it just a local custom?...
thanks...

 

[kragirl]

Originally posted by softgrey@Nov 18 2004, 07:18 PM

i don't think uninevitable is a word...
maybe you shoudl try re-phrasing?...

thanks tangerine...
i really like those...i have one that i got in the eighties and used to wear as a scarf...does it have any religious significance or is it just a local custom?...
thanks...

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Oops guess I've been thinking about bush too damn much it has gotten to me, Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Weell, you know what I'm trying to say, I hope so