2012 : is the world ending? and what happens after that?

[tgeezyband]

^ I have good news for everyone who thinks eclipses are caused by two demons!!! Not so B)

This lunar eclipse is seen as quite positive by at least some Western astrologers.

And the part about a 95% chance of war or unrest I thought that was hovering around 100%, eclipse or no eclipse If it went down 5%, that would be the newsflash ...

Where this come from? Never heard of anyone saying an eclipse is caused by two demons.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ I think it's an ancient Chinese belief ... if you look back above my post it's all there ...

I think the question is not can the planet survive (certainly a chunk of rock and dirt can survive), but can it continue to support life as we know it ... I believe that's what we're after

 

[Filipe]

^you mean that because the fact humans keep on destroying the planet ?
I think that we can still reverse the process, we all know the planet is always on a renewing process, although it's process is slower than the destruction process. Everything can be done before it's too late.

 

[smartarse]

damn, if it's the end of the world i better be in bed with my lover when it happen.

 

[Aoedele]

2012 springs from western doomsday theories, not Mayan. Even so if something does happen, I hope its quick. I hate pain.

 

[tgeezyband]

^you mean that because the fact humans keep on destroying the planet ?
I think that we can still reverse the process, we all know the planet is always on a renewing process, although it's process is slower than the destruction process. Everything can be done before it's too late.

That is kind of a sketchy statement, some scientist support global warming caused by humans and some don't. I think the planet just goes through these phases, I mean there was already ice age well before we came, you know what that ice age came from? It came from the planet having excessive temperatures leading up to the point of the ice age, and were we around driving cars then? no.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ Actually the vast majority of scientists support the concept of human-induced global warming.

 

[Filipe]

^Exactly. Thanks.

2012 springs from western doomsday theories, not Mayan

No way.
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Just found the greatest article have read so far:
The article is very long so I just took off this part, you can read the rest here:
http://newdawnmagazine.com.au/Article/The_Mayan_Lord_of_Creation_and_2012.html

Twentytwelvologists, Unite!

We now have a Mayan inscription, from the Classic Period site of Tortuguero, that refers directly to the end of the current World Age of the Long Count calendar. The text indicates the event is to be thought of as a world renewal.

The deity attending the world renewal, Bolon Yokte, was present during the previous World Age shift, in 3114 BCE, and he is a guardian of the portal of rebirth at the Dark Rift “Black Hole” in the Milky Way’s “nuclear bulge” – the Galactic Centre. He waves to us, as the jaguar paw, from behind the base of the Creation Tree on the recently discovered Creation murals from San Bartolo.

These are exciting times as we recover the lost knowledge of the ancient Maya skywatchers. Especially so, since the world-transforming renewal date in the Maya Long Count calendar is right around the corner. That ancient wisdom speaks for a grand precessional paradigm, of how we on Earth experience galactic seasons of change, of how our Sun moves into rebirth at the celestial Black Hole at the base of the Creation Tree.

December 21, 2012 signals the commencement of a new World Age, one that has successfully transformed, purified, and renewed the previous cycle of time. An essential component of this is conscious human participation, a willing openness to the process.

As we pay attention to the changes going on around us and tune into our own evolving journey through the 2012 experience of renewal, we all become twentytwelvologists. Not only by having studied it in the primary sources of Maya Creation texts, but by living it.

Let’s convene in 2013 and share what we’ve learned.

 

[tgeezyband]

^^ @Fashionista, Some do some don't, I didn't say it one way or another, but I see how someone could read my post and think I'm saying it is 50/50. I'm not sure on this but I think I saw somewhere where humans contribute one degree each year, add that up what happens? My main point is we aren't going to go back to living in freaking caves to save that one degree per year lol.

I watched one episode of "Brooke Knows Best," her roomate was green, this girl went green crazy, she cut the water off to Brooke' shower after 5 mins, got some small electric car that ran out of power in the middle of traffic, the last one was something about flushing a toilet, I completely forgot what that was about, but she wanted her to use the bathroom in a bucket because she flushed the toilet too much?

I know a reality show isn't a good way to judge green people, but c'mon if that is what it takes to shave one degree and save some ozone, then sorry but I'm not living like that.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^^ @Fashionista, Some do some don't, I didn't say it one way or another, but I see how someone could read my post and think I'm saying it is 50/50. I'm not sure on this but I think I saw somewhere where humans contribute one degree each year, add that up what happens? My main point is we aren't going to go back to living in freaking caves to save that one degree per year lol.

I watched one episode of "Brooke Knows Best," her roomate was green, this girl went green crazy, she cut the water off to Brooke' shower after 5 mins, got some small electric car that ran out of power in the middle of traffic, the last one was something about flushing a toilet, I completely forgot what that was about, but she wanted her to use the bathroom in a bucket because she flushed the toilet too much?

I know a reality show isn't a good way to judge green people, but c'mon if that is what it takes to shave one degree and save some ozone, then sorry but I'm not living like that.

I don't believe it's a degree a year ... a degree a year would be huge, and we'd be well and truly screwed in no time. You might want to familiarize yourself with the impacts of global warming. You don't want to live in a cave or do your business in a bucket, but how do you feel about Katrina coming to a city near you? I'm sure there were times when a cave and a bucket would have looked really good to people who were on their roofs or floating on a mattress in toxic water ...

No, a reality show isn't a good way to judge.

There are toilets (called composting toilets) that don't require any water at all that were developed for places where the ground is frozen most or all of the year. There are plenty of people who are well informed about the alternatives, and apparently the reality show people went out of their way to find someone who wasn't, to make what they define as good TV

 

[tgeezyband]

^^ Ya, you are right, this isn't something I know much about except for the different political views that are on it. I believe the last thing I saw on global warming, besides the reality show lol, was the factor and they had a right wing preacher on, and of course the preacher has his like minded scientist explain his view on the issue.

Part of it is because I have no reason to worry about such natural disasters as you said, but what I am getting at is we've had terrible natural disasters before we could have had an affect on the planet happen earlier in the planets history, what explains those occurrences?

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ Where did I say that you have no reason to worry about such 'natural' disasters? IMO you most certainly do. If you're not personally affected, you are likely to experience an influx of refugees, not to mention the problems all of us will have when insurance companies and the government start to get slammed with claims from people who live in coastal areas and have been flooded out. What I'm saying is that if we don't get it together (and maybe even if we do) we are going to see many more Katrinas. Forget the heavy storms that come with this package ... the ice melt alone is going to cause flooding.

 

[tgeezyband]

^^ When I say I don't have to worry, I'm referring to something like Katrina or other disasters around the world like Typhoons. Those things did not directly affect my style a living where I'm at, I was 15 so I wasn't paying insurance and still don't now, of course over time they may begin to directly effect me, but as of now, they don't.

I will say I'm lucky to not have had anything terrible like that happen.

 

[Aoedele]

^ Actually the vast majority of scientists support the concept of human-induced global warming.

ITA.

 

[Echoes]

^^ When I say I don't have to worry, I'm referring to something like Katrina or other disasters around the world like Typhoons. Those things did not directly affect my style a living where I'm at, I was 15 so I wasn't paying insurance and still don't now, of course over time they may begin to directly effect me, but as of now, they don't.

I will say I'm lucky to not have had anything terrible like that happen.

As destructive as hurricanes/typhoons are, they are localized events. They don't directly affect anyone beyond 100 miles or so from their path They can and do however affect the world economy and to some extent ecology by requiring massive use of construction materials and resources.

Volcanoes on the other hand are much more likely to have a direct effect on the entire population and can alter weather patterns for months or in extreme cases, years.

And then there's the whole bit about solar storms and asteroids that could end life as we know it.

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On the other point, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that humans are having a very destructive influence on the Earth and it's resources. If humans were to suddenly go extinct, the planet will recover though.

 

[CrazyC]

The world will end on my 25th birthday.

If it's true.
My son won't make it to his 6th birthday. Dec 26th.

 

[turnofflights]

hope so!

 

[MulletProof]

I read Cotterell's book on the Mayan prophecies some time ago and the date was December 22.**

Interesting theories, he was decoding it all good and then his smarter-than-thou self got on the way and I got bored.. I guess I'll go to the Mayan ruins on my own next year and find new and exciting ways for information.. not about the corny "end of the world" but the amazing civilization, yadda yadda.

**eta: that was a reply to something I read all wrong. nevermind.

 

[CrazyC]

the cost of gas in the events is whats gets us all.
luckily with the economy the way it is we did not get hit harder with a catastrophe

 

[fashionista-ta]

As destructive as hurricanes/typhoons are, they are localized events. They don't directly affect anyone beyond 100 miles or so from their path They can and do however affect the world economy and to some extent ecology by requiring massive use of construction materials and resources.

Volcanoes on the other hand are much more likely to have a direct effect on the entire population and can alter weather patterns for months or in extreme cases, years.

And then there's the whole bit about solar storms and asteroids that could end life as we know it.

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On the other point, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that humans are having a very destructive influence on the Earth and it's resources. If humans were to suddenly go extinct, the planet will recover though.

If it's a tsunami and it hits in a vacation spot, however, then people around the world will be directly affected. It's like the Twin Towers and the very international list of victims ... local isn't what it used to be