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All about being a hipster (not that there's anything wrong with that)

Hipsters are invading Montreal seriously.

They all spend tons of money on their look to make it look as though they didn't try so hard, same goes for makeup and hair. I don't find them that annoying though, most of my friends are actually hipsters, but they aren't arrogant.
 
guccigirl1121 said:
Would you consider "straight-edge" part of the whole hipster scene? Both groups dress similiarly and have a holier-than thou attitude...
I think it really depends. Back when I was a freshmen in highschool, there was this huge huge huge gang of straightedge vegan guys who would totally fit into this whole hipster category. They were basically all upper rich white beachside kids who wore expensive clothing and walked around with holier than thou attitudes same looks and extenside sXe tattoos. A friend of mine who knew some the guys said they sometimes had quarrels inside their own group when a member supposedly "sold out" and some members even disowned each other for some time on their myspace or livejournals or whatever. They have all graduated now, and from what I hear, the majority have given up on their beloved straight edge ideals. It's going to be funny one day when someone asks them in a bar what the XXX tattoo on their arm is for. I'll bet they'll probably say that they were really into p*rn when they were younger haha.

It's not a bad movement, and the idea behind it is definitely good, but so many kids do it nowadays to identify more with the hardcore scene, and because of that they really shun anything else that isn't part of it. I guess it would fit into this hipster thing.
 
utopia said:
yeah I agree... true hipsters cannot really be catagorised - like lena said, they can be found in all forms and shapes.

popular culture takes words and gives them new meanings...
just as the word...bad...came to mean 'good' at one point...

hipsters of today are a very different breed...and have absolutely nothing to do with the original hipsters...they don't even know about the original hipsters...they think they INVENTED all of this...(annoying...!!)

it is an inescapable cultural phenomenon...begun in williamsburg brooklyn...and as lady grey says...it carries with it definite negative connotations...

in nyc today...to call someone a hipster is an intentional insult...
it means annoying wannabe, trying too hard, uncool...period...it may be different in other parts of the world...but this is not a matter of opinion...this is a cultural fact...at least in this part of the world...it may be of interest to some to know what the trends are in other parts of the world...i know i am always interested in what's going on in other places...

for example...sloanies (or sloans?) in london...i'm not going to argue with people in london about why they are called that and whether it is accurate or not...
it's just interesting to me that there is such a thing in that part of the world...


^_^ :flower:
 
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I think [almost] everyone on TFS has "hipster" traits. But what makes hipsters hipsters, in my opinion, is their pretentiousness and phoniness. A lot of us at TFS like to stand out, enjoy art, listen to [good] indie music, etc... So are we hipsters? No. Because we truly enjoy these things, and it's who we are. If we were hipsters, we'd all be lying to ourselves about all of this stuff, putting on a mask to make us acceptable and socially successful among the people we wish we were, and who wish they were themselves.

That's my take on it, anyway. That's how I see the hipsters around here. So, I'm trying to say that there's no reason to be offended by the hipster definitions and everything if you possess some of the traits, because you truly DO possess some of the traits. It's who you are. Which means you can't possibly be a hipster.

I'm having a very difficult time putting my thoughts into words right now...
 
^I agree. Being a hispter means you're trying too hard, and you'll probably end up being just phony. Even though I don't like indie bands and indie culture in general, I know that there's a world between being an indie and being a hispter.
 
guccigirl1121 said:
Would you consider "straight-edge" part of the whole hipster scene? Both groups dress similiarly and have a holier-than thou attitude...
I work with a guy who is straightedge and into hardcore, but I would say he dresses much differently from the hipster stereotype. In fact, I thought he was a "jock" at first. Very tidy hair, ironed shirts, dark non-distressed Levi's, Nike AF1s.

That's just one guy, I don't really have much contact with the straightedge scene so take it for what it's worth. :)
 
Hipster/Hep/Hep Cat, etc

It certainly is true that the expression hipster was used in the 50's to refer to beats, and the word was of course derived from hip, to be in the groove, or groovy. Those were fresh words then and had not become meaningless.

The term Hippie was a co-oping as we would then say of the term hip, but it comes from the San Francisco area with the Merry Pranksters and Ken Kesey. In 1968 in SF, there was a giant parade marking "the death of the Hippie" in their words, because from the POV of the original turn on, tune in and drop outers, who were using acid, dressing crazy and painting their cars and buses and living communally, the larger counter-culture had co-opted, or essentially snagged the meaning of the term away from its original use. The turn on, tune in and drop out line was of course spoken by Timothy Leary, a Harvard professor experimenting with hallucinogenic drugs.

BUT, my essential point is that hip is derived from hep, and is an African-American jazz musician's term, as is hep cat, which is a person who is hep. So it dates way back at the very least to the early 20th century, and for all we know, could have been in use in the time of Blind Lemon Jefferson or even on the plantations.
 
does that have anything to do with what a hipster is today?...

why all this fascination with the root of the word?...i don't feel it's relevant to the topic...that is in no way appicable to how it is being used here...

in fact...it is the opposite meaning...hep means cool...and hipster means not so...

don't get me wrong...that is all true...but i'm afraid it might confuse the issue at hand...or maybe not... :innocent:
anyway...thx for the etymology lesson relic and wlcome to tfs... :flower:
 
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too cool to smile always have that soulfull, moody look on their faces!

too cool to dance but still go to clubs just to stand!

:lol:
 
Thank you softgrey. I'm sorry if you feel it's not relevant, but I do think that fashion trends have been attached to the terms hep and hip over the years. I defer to you of course, but let's remember the beret as a style among jazz musicians as well as beats; the color black in men's daily wear; and I needn't describe the psychedelia of the 60's hippies. Today I agree with those who believe that anyone thinking they are a hipster are simply overstudied and self-conscious. It isn't like the 60's when on campus "normal" guys wore Ivy clothing and "hippies" wore jeans, tie-dye, etc. Ivy meant Bass Weejuns with duct tape wrapped around the foreshoe rather than repair it (they were crap and fell apart in 2 months); hippie meant zip up boots. Of course I'm talking hommes. How can there even be hip now in an age where even the dishelveled look takes 20 minutes for a man to get right? Peter Wolf was a hipster, I would say, among white boys, but you KNOW Thelonius Monk was a hep cat. Two periods, two very different looks. I vote for elimination of the term hip. It's seen it's day. Thank you for your kind greeting. I love this forum.
 
yay...nice to have someone as knowledgable as you to contribute to the discussion...
esp from the homme perspective...we have a lot of hep hommes around here...;)
:heart:

no need to defer...respectful differences of opinions are welcome here...

glad you like it and hope you'll stick around...

ps...i agree about thelonius monk...very hep cat...:D
but who is peter wolf...?...was he in a band...?
 
yeah, J. Geils. Do you remember them? Boston based, but with a cult following. Had some big hits. Early MTV. He wore tight fitted black jeans, black shoes and often Marseilles style horizontal striped shirts.

On the femme side, would you say Aimee Mann is hip? Or just a bit too much?
 
centerfold...sure i remember...i just wasn't sure if i was thinking of the same person you were...

i think aimee mann is just odd...she's her own category...for better or worse...
but hip really isn't used anymore...no one says that...
 
Right! Centerfold! Couldn't think of the name. I do very much miss my New York life and knowing what's going on as you do. I have to keep it to the odd visit, one coming up, to see my mom and best friends, with whom I'm forced to yak with on the phone for 3 hours a day instead of going out with them. You know the funniest thing...I beat the draft by using family political connections to get a job teaching at Canarsie High School, an I just remembered that the girls in that school were some of the chicest dressers I knew. Weird. Of course, I was 22 and they were 18. Too dangerous. Those were the bell bottom days, the wide belts and high collars, and wiiiiide ties. Suit jacket lapels out to the house next door. And Studio, of course.
 
well now you can hear all about what's going on in alll corners of the globe right here on tfs...:D

it's cool to hear from people all over...i love that...
 
haha. I had a housemate that was straight edge and vegan, drove one of those Honda Hybrids, and dressed kind of grungy. Met his mom and saw that he was from a rich family. at my old college, there were these hipsters and also hippies who all thought they knew everything. Drove me crazy.
 
Oh man I used be the co-ordinator of a a concert company, and I always dealt with hipsters who totally gave me attitude for the way that I dressed. And I wear alot of vintage, never head to toe, but 'nough of it, and was always like hey man I probably got my clothes the same places you got them, Goodwill, and Holt Renfrew.
 
A few "entertaining" definitions of hipster:

1-The defining attribute of a hipster lies in their disdain for others of their own kind.


2-The personification of insecurity, brattiness and bizarre sense of entitlement. :o :p
The prevalence of hipsters in a neighborhood is an indicator for gentrification.


3-the hipster mecca is in williamsburg brooklyn. it's a subculture of kids born in the 80's. it started with mutton chops & buddy holly glasses, but has now progressed progressed into trucker caps, pointy shoes, and the god awful rehash of the mullet.

typically, hipsters are "slumming it" on mommy & daddy's dime. a full blown hipster reduces himself by never wearing anti-perspirant & appearing to be poor. drink of choice is rheingold, or pabst blue ribbon beer.


4-The modern Bohemians. A mid-twenties person who works at a low paying job, is interested in "Artsy things" Hipsters tend to swarm around the determined "Hipster" part of town, ex. Wicker Park in Chicago. Hipster Ladies should have short hair and wear thrift shop clothes and Male Hipsters should be anemically skinny to let people know that they are poor and cant afford enough food.


5-someone, usually a teenager or 20something, who adheres to a counterculture ranging from indy-rockers to neo-hippies to skaters. they tend to define themselves by the music they listen to, and the outlandish clothes they wear. hipsters are opposed to other countercultures like goths, metal-heads, and gangstas, and they also avoid preps, eurotrash, white trash, and jocksquestion: why does he only listen to bands that are never played on the radio?
answer: he's a hipster :lol:



6-people in thier teens to 20s who generally listen to indie rock, hang out in coffee shops, shop at the thrift store and talk about things like books, music, films and art.


7-teenager to twenty something who like to hang out in local coffeehouses and art gallerys, and think they're better then everyone else because they're not mainstream. They like vintage clothing and anything that looks like it's been sitting in a closet for upward of twenty years.


8-Seattle-dwelling, emo-listening, black hair-dye using, counter-culture adhering socially infantalistic subgroup of individuals from the upper middle class who fiegn angst and a difficult life with a jaded facade of indifference. Fail to realize they are the most narrow minded people to walk this earth, next to the FCC.


9-n. someone who flaunts cigarettes.


10-lovely people who try to be different by listening to unique music and wearing obscure clothing usually found at a thrift store. they somehow pull of a in style look by wearing really old clothes they got for next to nothing. very artsy. obcessed with the past, and anything 'vintage'non-hipster: holy sh*t thats a cool shirt! can i get the exact same one at kohls for twenty bucks?
hipster: no, actually u cant. i got it at a thrift store in south west DC for two dollars. its twenty years old, so you probably cant find another one. ever. .......conformist
 
Kimkhuu said:
A few "entertaining" definitions of hipster:

10-lovely people who try to be different by listening to unique music and wearing obscure clothing usually found at a thrift store. they somehow pull of a in style look by wearing really old clothes they got for next to nothing. very artsy. obcessed with the past, and anything 'vintage'non-hipster: holy sh*t thats a cool shirt! can i get the exact same one at kohls for twenty bucks?
hipster: no, actually u cant. i got it at a thrift store in south west DC for two dollars. its twenty years old, so you probably cant find another one. ever. .......conformist
Hehe. I like this one a lot. I do fit into some of those though, but I would never classify myself as a Hipster. I do listen to some music no one has ever heard of and shop in vintage/thrift stores, but I guess I just don't and never will have the mindset... ^_^ and that's A-OK.
 
what's eurotrash?
is hipster and bobo the same thing? At least here bobo is often used in a rather positive way but seems to be the same thing (indie, vintage, the strange glasses, artsy, upper middle class etc)
 

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