Carol Christian Poell - Designer

[baklanyc]

By the way, I went into Atelier yesterday and from the conversation, it seems that no one from there has really gone on to TFS. I know that they themselves are reacting to articles like the IHT about CCP, and may take some CCP items into future seasons without discounting them because they realize the inherent timelessness of the pieces, plus the fact that it IS a business. As someone who works closely wth another small retailer, it may seem arbitrary, but no one is really required to discount items, but they realize the need for it because keeping certain items in stock without selling them for seasons on end is lost money. I know that they themselves understand that some customers have the taste levels but not the wallets for items, and that's why sales are important (I have no problems admitting that I can't afford to buy full-on designer unless I feel I really have to get it before it gets gone). But they also need to stay in business with such a low-volume store (often one item at most in a size? That's relying a lot on these items getting sold to make payroll and rent), much like CCP needs to keep his prices high to keep in business. I remember discussing with A a few years ago that it was doubtful whether or not CCP would do another collection, because he was having such a hard time maintaining his business. He may be experiencing a turnaround, but fashion is a fickle business...

 

[*sayan]

Anybody has numbers on ccp sales in $ or in pieces, just something to see how thin is the ice hes walking on, or is it thin at all?

 

[raijin]

Well, CCP has been dropped from countless shops lately.

Also, I don't think there could have been so large a price discrepancy that they charged Ionn $200 less for the same boots yesterday.

 

[softgrey]

thx bakla...you are exacttly right...
many factors go into determining the retail price of a garment...not just the wholesale price(the price that the designer charges the store)...

the individual rent and electric bill and payroll and numerous expenses that each individual store go into determining how much they NEED to charge for that item in order to stay in business and in order to make that business profitable...there are also taxes and tariffs in certain countries which will factor in...

a perfect example is the comme des garcons skirt i bought in london...which was a few hundred dollars cheaper there than in nyc...both at the official comme des garcons store...now they are obviously not jacking up their own prices randomly...but there are different taxes and rents ..etc...so the skirt costs a bit less in london...

you will always find better sales at large dept stores because they take more markdowns due to the cycle of new merchandise they have to follow and because they have other departments which can absorb the profit loss in another...

it is a complicated formula...designers only 'recommend' a suggested retail price...
you could find two store in new york city within a few blocks of one another charging different prices for the same garment...it happens...

as for designers slowly raising prices...this also happens...it's pretty common actually...especially with smaller designers who often run into unforseen costs...very often it will cost more to produce an item than anticipated...causing the price to suddenly skyrocket...it's very dificult to keep prices under control when you are involving so many time consuming and labour - intensive techniques...that's what causes the prices to be so high...the number of hours that go into the extra finishes...because all those hours are factored into the price...someone has to get paid for all the time they spend doing that...

 

[softgrey]

who are you taking to raijin?...
i think sayan is asking about what type of volume the company is doing in annual sales...wholesale figures...

i have no idea...can't imagine really...i think he's very underground...so i don't know how well it does...

 

[baklanyc]

Well, CCP has been dropped from countless shops lately.

Also, I don't think there could have been so large a price discrepancy that they charged Ionn $200 less for the same boots yesterday.

Yes, that would be the odd part. Since I wasn't part of it, I'm not sure what the deal was. I did inquire about the blue leather CCP boots and they were $1400. I'm merely adding some facts into the mix because I'm not sure there's a conspiracy going, but there are always other factors that we as consumers might not be aware of.

 

[raijin]

I was talking to Sayan, because im sure this has had an effect on sales.

According to Runner, 10 corso como, edifice, beams has dropped him as sale points in Tokyo.

 

[raijin]

This is a pair of last seasons boots made with the hair of a special pony.
There are only 6 pairs worldwide.

 

[ionn26]

Yes, that would be the odd part. Since I wasn't part of it, I'm not sure what the deal was. I did inquire about the blue leather CCP boots and they were $1400. I'm merely adding some facts into the mix because I'm not sure there's a conspiracy going, but there are always other factors that we as consumers might not be aware of.

They told me the blue leather CCP boots was $1300

WHATEVA... I am sick of this pricing crap....

 

[ionn26]

Softgrey, I totally understand where you are coming from when I found the price difference for Dior HOmme in NYC. Bagutta and Dior Boutique and Saks all carries it.. and they all have different prices for the same merchandise. I have also encountered where Dior Homme Boutique marked up the price of the same merchandise when they have the 2nd shipment of the same piece.

What I am truly annoyed about is just how prices can be inflated overnight or even within 1 minute when the retailers know what other retailers are selling for the prices etc. It is not a damn stockmarket...and afterall it is just cloth. (timeless yes may be). Of course I also understand the economics of it, demand and supply and caveat Emptor...

I just don't want people to be cheated thats all.

For a fact, of course this is not new, I have also enquired in europe the same boots are selling at $1100(yes taking into strong euro and detax). I guess may be it is worth to pick up stuff in Europe. I save $300 on a pair of boots, and I buy 2 items and I recoup my moneys worth with one weekend trip to Europe.

Just a thought

thx bakla...you are exacttly right...
many factors go into determining the retail price of a garment...not just the wholesale price(the price that the designer charges the store)...

the individual rent and electric bill and payroll and numerous expenses that each individual store go into determining how much they NEED to charge for that item in order to stay in business and in order to make that business profitable...there are also taxes and tariffs in certain countries which will factor in...

a perfect example is the comme des garcons skirt i bought in london...which was a few hundred dollars cheaper there than in nyc...both at the official comme des garcons store...now they are obviously not jacking up their own prices randomly...but there are different taxes and rents ..etc...so the skirt costs a bit less in london...

you will always find better sales at large dept stores because they take more markdowns due to the cycle of new merchandise they have to follow and because they have other departments which can absorb the profit loss in another...

it is a complicated formula...designers only 'recommend' a suggested retail price...
you could find two store in new york city within a few blocks of one another charging different prices for the same garment...it happens...

as for designers slowly raising prices...this also happens...it's pretty common actually...especially with smaller designers who often run into unforseen costs...very often it will cost more to produce an item than anticipated...causing the price to suddenly skyrocket...it's very dificult to keep prices under control when you are involving so many time consuming and labour - intensive techniques...that's what causes the prices to be so high...the number of hours that go into the extra finishes...because all those hours are factored into the price...someone has to get paid for all the time they spend doing that...

 

[ionn26]

They are truly beautiful. but poor pony

This is a pair of last seasons boots made with the hair of a special pony.
There are only 6 pairs worldwide.

 

[xcoldricex]

haha poor pony? where's that leather coming from again?

not a fan of those boots. it looks better on the inside to me.

 

[Arturo21]

Those boots are hideous. I generally like Carol Christian Poell, indeed, he is one of my favorite designers. But some things go too far. Anything furry I detest.

 

[softgrey]

wow...i really don't like them in the pony at all...

i think it's the finish of the leather that i love so much...and i miss it...

 

[Arturo21]

From www.fashionlines.com

Carol Christian Poell is an Austrian designing and showing his menswear collection in Milan. Fashionlines first learned of this brilliant designer when we reviewed his pre-Fall/Winter 04-05 collection in Paris this spring. We were struck the modernity of the pieces, which utilized inner taping in place of stitching, and the casual yet insistent attitude, both young and very now. A little rugged, a little fragile, we think these clothes are made for the perfect man.

Carol Christian Poell
5, via G. Watt
1-20143 Milano
++39 02 8135004
[email protected]

 

[Arturo21]

I hope these pictures haven't been posted yet.

These are the things that made me fall in love with his clothing

 

[raijin]

They have been posted, but not yet in this thread.

Those cracking details on the sweaters and shirts come from the tape seams.

 

[Arturo21]

I those pants..

 

[xcoldricex]

yep, but its good to consolidate them all. i'd like that necklace, but i have a feeling i could get it somewhere for like $30. anyone know?

 

[xcoldricex]

general question, does ccp purposefully make sleeves long as part of his aesthetic? in almost every picture of a model wearing his clothing the sleeves are long. i kinda like it- although it can get annoying (when you're wearing one of his shirts). i wonder if it'll take away the designers intention if i get the sleeves shortened.