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Carré Otis Finally Names Her Alleged r*pist : Her Modeling Agent

^Agreed. Many have to face further victimization when the press charges. Too often the community, police, those close with the accused,etc. will try to somehow the place the blame on the victim or say that she/he was lying. And the accused are let go.
In Carre's case, she would have gone up against a very wealthy and powerful man who could easily make sure her career would be over in a second. I wouldn't say it's the fault of her parents that she didn't come forward earlier, but society and the treatment of r*pe victims.
 
Many are scared of the reactions of their families and the multiple witness statements.

Many have to face further victimization when the press charges. Too often the community, police, those close with the accused,etc. will try to somehow the place the blame on the victim or say that she/he was lying.

Which is exactly why I said...

As scary as it may be, not reporting it just makes it possible for the r*pist to believe he will never face any consequences and victimize girl after girl.

A decent upbringing and solid family support would have raised her to know the right thing to do here. She obviously didn't have that or she wouldn't have been living with that skeezy man at 17 anyway. It is most definitely her parents fault that she was in that situation in the first place.

And saying that doesn't take away from the horror that has happened here or the sympathy I have for Carre and all his other victims (which I'm sure number more than we'll ever hear about). And if any of them had mustered up the strength to press charges (with the emotional support of family and friends) then other women would have almost certainly been spared the same nightmare.
 
Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer to believe it's the abuser's fault that such terrible things happen, rather than it being the victim's fault that it happened to her, or that she was to blame for it happening to someone else.
 
^Well, that, and he was one of the most influential men in modeling. He was the president of Elite, not just her agent.

I'm not sure parents would be on to a clever, charming lecher like this and most 17 yo girls don't stand a chance.
 
Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer to believe it's the abuser's fault that such terrible things happen, rather than it being the victim's fault that it happened to her, or that she was to blame for it happening to someone else.

That's not what I said in the slightest and you know it.

I am in awe at those of you who don't understand the importance of reporting horrific crimes against women for the good of us all. :(
 
Hedur-Its not just the fear of how others will perceive them that stops these girls/women from pressing charges. It's that too often not only will their r*pist go free, but they will be blamed for what happened somehow. It's a reality that the odds may be against them (especially in Carre's case), not in all cases but in far in too many. Sometimes the victims even blame themselves, which is why crimes can go unreported as well. There are soo many other factors at play.
It is important to report these cases, but more needs to be done to make sure the victim doesn't get attacked for it. Parenting and upbringing really don't have anything to do with it.The most perfect upbringing can't prepare you for that sort of trauma.
 
I understand that each and every woman does the best she can, in her own circumstances - and that things are bad enough for them, without having to contend with the added burden of thinking they're responsible for what happens next, if an abuser chooses to continue their campaign of abuse, because they couldn't rise to someone else's expectations of perfect justice suddenly happening in a world where it rarely does, for this type of crime, even when people do speak out with all their heart.
 
That's not what I said in the slightest and you know it.

I am in awe at those of you who don't understand the importance of reporting horrific crimes against women for the good of us all. :(

Instead of trying to shift any sort of blame to the woman that was raped for crimes she has didn't commit that may happy next, I think your energies would be put to much better use being angry at justice system women do not trust to report such horrific crimes.
I can totally understand why she didn't report it, they would have simply destroyed her.
 
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Which is exactly why I said...



A decent upbringing and solid family support would have raised her to know the right thing to do here. She obviously didn't have that or she wouldn't have been living with that skeezy man at 17 anyway. It is most definitely her parents fault that she was in that situation in the first place.

And saying that doesn't take away from the horror that has happened here or the sympathy I have for Carre and all his other victims (which I'm sure number more than we'll ever hear about). And if any of them had mustered up the strength to press charges (with the emotional support of family and friends) then other women would have almost certainly been spared the same nightmare.
i definitely agree that the upbringing and solid-ness of victim's family plays a big role in how the victim will "handle" the aftermath (and what would've happen in legal terms with the abuser in the future). also, the conditions that are instantly created with that decision should be more in favor of that same victim (or should i say the infrastructure - legal and communal - that should stand behind her) in a way that it clears the path at least just a little bit for the next victim to come out with her story more easily knowing there a strong safety net.

i don't think anyone (in their right mind) here is doubting who's the abuser and the main criminal in this story. i'm thinking people are just trying to understand why this kid was put in care of this person at the age of 17 without any parental advisory and how that "mondus operandi" might've affected her "coming out" and then in general what kind of things do affect that coming out of the victims in these cases, no?
 
It's a reality that the odds may be against them (especially in Carre's case), not in all cases but in far in too many. Sometimes the victims even blame themselves, which is why crimes can go unreported as well. There are soo many other factors at play.
Truly. It's a wonder victims even have time to wrap their heads around what happened to them, before the statute of limitations is up and there's nothing they can legally do... forget the trial process and having to relive it over and over to strangers, many of whom are ignorant and unsympathetic to your situation, but I would have been scared for my physical safety if I were Carre! Drug-addicted sociopathic older man with lots of money and power... that's quite a deck to be stacked against.
 
i don't think anyone (in their right mind) here is doubting who's the abuser and the main criminal in this story. i'm thinking people are just trying to understand why this kid was put in care of this person at the age of 17 without any parental advisory and how that "mondus operandi" might've affected her "coming out" and then in general what kind of things do affect that coming out of the victims in these cases, no?

Yes, thank you. Exactly. :flower:

Instead of trying to shift any sort of blame to the woman that was raped for crimes she has didn't commit that may happy next, I think your energies would be put to much better use being angry at justice system women do not trust to report such horrific crimes.
I can totally understand why she didn't report it, they would have simply destroyed her.

I am not at all trying to shift the blame on to the victim. Are you serious? Sorry, but I won't allow anyone to try and put on me the idea that I blame this girl for her own r*pe or the future r*pe of others. I was simply trying to state the (obvious) importance of the crime being reported. And it's a strong support system involving family and friends (that every woman should have) that helps her do just that, despite how horribly frightening it is to do so.

That was my whole original point and I stand by it.
 
I am not at all trying to shift the blame on to the victim. Are you serious? Sorry, but I won't allow anyone to try and put on me the idea that I blame this girl for her own r*pe or the future r*pe of others. I was simply trying to state the (obvious) importance of the crime being reported. And it's a strong support system involving family and friends (that every woman should have) that helps her do just that, despite how horribly frightening it is to do so.

That was my whole original point and I stand by it.

r*pe is extremely complex, and although friends and family are fundamental in the after math, a safety net does not guarantee that someone will report a r*pe. They may not report a r*pe exactly because they feel they are letting everyone one down or feel bad because they will be upsetting the loved ones.
There are millions of reasons why r*pe is not reported, but if you want to point fingers why not start with the awful track record our justice system has in the treatment of r*pe victims?
And no a good upbringing does not guarantee that you will not go off the rails, or that you will not end up in the hands of a r*pist. I'm sorry but it's very naive to think the world is this straightforward.

I do not know why you keep on bringing the importance of victims to report to r*pe to protect the next possible victims, and I quote " for the good of us all" . r*pe victims should report a r*pe because they are victims of a crime, and the r*pist should be punished for that crime. They should never in any way or form be left thinking that if they do not report it they are in a way being complicit with the r*pist. I admire immensely the people that have the courage to speak up and that demand justice. The fact that they are helping us all, should be commended. But i do not think at all women should feel pressed to speak up about their horrible experience just to protect some hypothetical future victims.
And in the case of Carre is even more glaring, she would not have a chance in hell against her r*pist, he would simply crush her, i cannot understand how anyone has the heart to criticise her decision.
 
I was simply trying to state the (obvious) importance of the crime being reported. And it's a strong support system involving family and friends (that every woman should have) that helps her do just that, despite how horribly frightening it is to do so.

Regardless of how supportive the friends and family of a victim are, if the police and justice system are unsympathetic (putting it kindly) towards the victims of r*pe and sexual abuse, I don't think it's surprising that it's under-reported in many cases. I can totally see why Carre didn't report it at the time. Hell, they probably would have said that she was "asking for it."

Reporting a r*pe isn't as simple as you are making it sound.
 
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^ you and Les_Sucettes are right - look at the treatment of Roman Polanski's 13-year-old victim by the media of her day when she went public with her accusations (calling her "Lolita" and so forth, never mind that Lolita in the actual book is the virtual prisoner of a paedophile). Is it really likely that Carré, who was just a handful of years older than that, would have fared any better even if the law enforcement and justice systems did back her up?

Sexual harassment seems to be fairly prevalent in modelling (remembering that doc Picture Me from two years ago) - it's a business where extremely young, often underage, girls are removed from their parents' supervision, transplanted to unfamiliar places and told they have to make money. I think it's cruel beyond belief to suggest that the parents are the ones responsible for these things happening to their daughters and sons, especially when not every family can afford to let one parent chaperone their child full-time around the world. What about the agencies' duty to not abuse these girls in the first place? Gerald Marie is probably never going to atone for his crimes or even suffer any consequences, and that, frankly speaking, disgusts me. What a repugnant human being.
 
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unfortunatly there are men in this world who see no problem in taking advantage of a 15 or 16 year old girl.
didn't what's his name just marry that Courtney girl who is 16?? what does a girl know at 16, really?
 
i also think that most girls don't report r*pe simply because they are afraid nobody will believe them.
especially if it's a teenage girl/ old man situation. just like Carre's.

In a lot of countries/ cultures when a girl reports a r*pe the police or family try to make her feel guilty. telling her she must ve done something to make the man believe it's ok to r*pe her.
it's very unfortunate but very true.
 
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I do not know why you keep on bringing the importance of victims to report to r*pe to protect the next possible victims, and I quote " for the good of us all" . r*pe victims should report a r*pe because they are victims of a crime, and the r*pist should be punished for that crime. They should never in any way or form be left thinking that if they do not report it they are in a way being complicit with the r*pist. I admire immensely the people that have the courage to speak up and that demand justice. The fact that they are helping us all, should be commended. But i do not think at all women should feel pressed to speak up about their horrible experience just to protect some hypothetical future victims.
And in the case of Carre is even more glaring, she would not have a chance in hell against her r*pist, he would simply crush her, i cannot understand how anyone has the heart to criticise her decision.

Why? Because keeping dangerous predators off the streets is important to me.

The meaning of “good of us all” should be obvious. There are two reasons that people go to jail. To pay for their crime AND to keep them off the streets to protect society. That’s why it’s called the “possibility”, not “guarantee”, of parole. In order to get parole inmates have to convince the parole board that they are no longer a threat to society. It’s also why murder crimes are tried whether the victim’s family presses charges or not. It’s for the protection of society…”the good of us all”. Every time a criminal is prosecuted it’s not only for the victim, but for all the possible future victims. It most certainly isn't fair that a woman be made to feel that her private decision could affect others, but it doesn't change the fact that her decision will definitely affect others.

It’s interesting that someone brought up Roman Polanski. He was a high profile and powerful Hollywood director and was in a position of authority over his victim because she (or her mother) wanted her to break into show business. He used that position of authority to brutally r*pe her. From the posts here, I gather most of you would have made the argument that she shouldn’t press charges because no one would believe her anyway. But the facts are they DID press charges and despite his position, and the horrible things people said about her, he WAS found guilty. The only thing that kept him from receiving his full sentence was that he fled the country. The only good I can say bout the whole mess is at least women who know of his past would know to stay away from him and I’m sure some were spared because of it. And that would not have been the case if his victim had not pressed charges.

If a victim of r*pe chooses to press charges she MAY be called a liar, humiliated, and her attacker go free. Another possible outcome is that she is believed, her attacker is found guilty, and he is punished for that crime and many women are kept from the same horrible fate by the hands of that man. Those are both maybes. But there is one thing for CERTAIN. If a woman chooses to remain silent then her attacker will DEFINITELY go free and most likely feel more empowered to terrorize other women in the future.

The general opinion here seems to be that even the possibility of the first outcome I mentioned is scary enough to make a decision that almost ensures the third outcome. MY opinion is that sometimes unbelievably difficult (horrifying, nightmarish, unjust) decisions have to be made in order for us to have a better world. And a strong family unit is the very thing a woman needs to make that horribly difficult decision.

Unlike murder, which is automatically reported just because there’s a dead body, there will never be a law that requires women to report r*pe. But for those that muster the courage to do so, I have the utmost admiration and respect.

And with that I’ve definitely said my peace. I’ll only respond again if someone attacks me or tries to twist my words into something I didn’t mean.
 
I’ll only respond again if someone attacks me or tries to twist my words into something I didn’t mean.
just as a general comment, talk like this^ makes it really difficult to keep a normal discussion going. no one is/was attacking you or twisting your words.
 
^ The only reason I said it is because I am fully aware that I have beaten this horse to death and I wanted to make clear that I didn't intend to keep trying to convince others of my views. Also, someone clearly accused me of blaming the victim for being raped. That is what I was referring to with "twisting my words".
 
Why? Because keeping dangerous predators off the streets is important to me.

The meaning of “good of us all” should be obvious. There are two reasons that people go to jail. To pay for their crime AND to keep them off the streets to protect society. That’s why it’s called the “possibility”, not “guarantee”, of parole. In order to get parole inmates have to convince the parole board that they are no longer a threat to society. It’s also why murder crimes are tried whether the victim’s family presses charges or not. It’s for the protection of society…”the good of us all”. Every time a criminal is prosecuted it’s not only for the victim, but for all the possible future victims. It most certainly isn't fair that a woman be made to feel that her private decision could affect others, but it doesn't change the fact that her decision will definitely affect others.

It’s interesting that someone brought up Roman Polanski. He was a high profile and powerful Hollywood director and was in a position of authority over his victim because she (or her mother) wanted her to break into show business. He used that position of authority to brutally r*pe her. From the posts here, I gather most of you would have made the argument that she shouldn’t press charges because no one would believe her anyway. But the facts are they DID press charges and despite his position, and the horrible things people said about her, he WAS found guilty. The only thing that kept him from receiving his full sentence was that he fled the country. The only good I can say bout the whole mess is at least women who know of his past would know to stay away from him and I’m sure some were spared because of it. And that would not have been the case if his victim had not pressed charges.

If a victim of r*pe chooses to press charges she MAY be called a liar, humiliated, and her attacker go free. Another possible outcome is that she is believed, her attacker is found guilty, and he is punished for that crime and many women are kept from the same horrible fate by the hands of that man. Those are both maybes. But there is one thing for CERTAIN. If a woman chooses to remain silent then her attacker will DEFINITELY go free and most likely feel more empowered to terrorize other women in the future.

The general opinion here seems to be that even the possibility of the first outcome I mentioned is scary enough to make a decision that almost ensures the third outcome. MY opinion is that sometimes unbelievably difficult (horrifying, nightmarish, unjust) decisions have to be made in order for us to have a better world. And a strong family unit is the very thing a woman needs to make that horribly difficult decision.

Unlike murder, which is automatically reported just because there’s a dead body, there will never be a law that requires women to report r*pe. But for those that muster the courage to do so, I have the utmost admiration and respect.

And with that I’ve definitely said my peace. I’ll only respond again if someone attacks me or tries to twist my words into something I didn’t mean.

But they're not "on the street". They're your co-worker, your uncle, your neighbor across the hall. You have a "romanticized" notion of r*pe. A dark, shadowy figure lurking in an ally is an unrealistic depiction of a r*pist.

You also are very, very naive of the criminal justice system and how it works. NEVER in a million years would someone like Gérald Marie be prosecuted or even be charged with the scenario presented. A murder investigation and subsequent trial has absolutely nothing to do with how a r*pe investigation and trial would proceed.

I strongly urge you to read up on recent r*pe trials, investigations, and accusations because you don't have a clue.

She did what she had to do to survive.
 

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