PrinceOfCats
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D&G are catholics though...their confession must be pretty hilarious...
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Prince said to the baker give me a bun
The baker said, 'Man, do you want any jam puttin' on?'
Prince said, 'You can do want you want
But don't put any of that jam on my darned bun'
The baker said what do I do with the jam, son?
Prince said, spread it on Highway 61...
Why do people worship symbols, anyway?
The baker said, 'Man, do you want any jam puttin' on?'
Prince said, 'You can do want you want
But don't put any of that jam on my darned bun'
The baker said what do I do with the jam, son?
Prince said, spread it on Highway 61...
Why do people worship symbols, anyway?
sometimes you just have to get on with it
impossibleprincess
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QUOTE (mikeijames @ Jun 10th, 2004 - 7:31 pm)
I'm a Hindu, and I'm not even orthodox in the slightest, in fact I am really, really liberal, but even I think these pieces are offensive. And so is the above quote. I'm sorry but I just find it offensive because it is so misinformed. a) Hindus do not just reside in India as you imply.
We also live in London (like me) New York, Toronto, Australia, etc,.There are also many other religions in India mainly Islam, Sikhism, and also Chrisitianity. b)and probably most importantly, the practices and history of womens' rights you have described above are not down to religion but culture, which mainly goes on in the suburbs and remote parts of India rather than the major cities. It is the culture in countries like India etc that may offend you, and even me 
-women are subjugated, there is no denying that, but there is nothing in our scriptures that allows for that, but the long running (and yes, wrong) tradition of many remote parts of India that does.
In fact, I don't even find the underwear as offensive as that quote.
I'm not usually the one to make everything political, in fact I'm usually the one to shy away from it,but it really annoyed me, because other people might read that post and believe it, and you are making Hinduism look bad. It's not.
I'm a Hindu, and I'm not even orthodox in the slightest, in fact I am really, really liberal, but even I think these pieces are offensive. And so is the above quote. I'm sorry but I just find it offensive because it is so misinformed. a) Hindus do not just reside in India as you imply.
We also live in London (like me) New York, Toronto, Australia, etc,.There are also many other religions in India mainly Islam, Sikhism, and also Chrisitianity. b)and probably most importantly, the practices and history of womens' rights you have described above are not down to religion but culture, which mainly goes on in the suburbs and remote parts of India rather than the major cities. It is the culture in countries like India etc that may offend you, and even me -women are subjugated, there is no denying that, but there is nothing in our scriptures that allows for that, but the long running (and yes, wrong) tradition of many remote parts of India that does. In fact, I don't even find the underwear as offensive as that quote.
I'm not usually the one to make everything political, in fact I'm usually the one to shy away from it,but it really annoyed me, because other people might read that post and believe it, and you are making Hinduism look bad.
It's not.What a load of bollocks [/b][/quote]
We can turn this into a feminist thread if you like...
Womens (and children's) rights do seem to be somewhat unstable in loads of countries across the world. It's generally worse in poorer economy countries, or should I say that the injusticies and wrong-doings are more visible? Even in very rich Western countries, it's not that rosy.
Religion has nothing to do with it; bad treatment of women is not an Islamic, Hindu, Catholic, Buddhist, etc. way of life. It's culture, often disguised as religion.
I think we have similar views here, and i so agree!Originally posted by impossibleprincess@Jun 10th, 2004 - 11:41 pm
I'm a Hindu, and I'm not even orthodox in the slightest, in fact I am really, really liberal, but even I think these pieces are offensive. And so is the above quote. I'm sorry but I just find it offensive because it is so misinformed. a) Hindus do not just reside in India as you imply.
In fact, I don't even find the underwear as offensive as that quote.
I'm not usually the one to make everything political, in fact I'm usually the one to shy away from it,but it really annoyed me, because other people might read that post and believe it, and you are making Hinduism look bad.
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again i repeat -- i don't mean to offend. and you're right -- i am wildly under-informed. no, i don't think that the majority of worldwide hindus believe or participate in some of the detestable traditions practiced in india i just find it very very offensive for any large group like this to cry out against something so pointless as printed panties when there are huge looming issues in their own closets. (and the only reason i know about these injustices is from a hindu friend of mine...so i again confess the second hand nature of my knowledge).
i would be expressing similar outrage if these panties featured the madonna and there was a catholic outcry with not even an acknowledgement of some of the obvious and larger problems going on within.
fine, do a press release -- that's your job -- but going out and protesting when all of that money used to organize such a protest could go into a fund somewhere where it actually impacts someone's life just seems to make more sense.
i would be expressing similar outrage if these panties featured the madonna and there was a catholic outcry with not even an acknowledgement of some of the obvious and larger problems going on within.
fine, do a press release -- that's your job -- but going out and protesting when all of that money used to organize such a protest could go into a fund somewhere where it actually impacts someone's life just seems to make more sense.
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What a load of bollocks [/b][/quote]
Ahh you stole my line...its bollocks...
I know there are so many issues that need to be changed there, but protesting panties will not help...
Instead of protesting what someone wears on their crotch, why don't they avert their attention and time to those woman rights causes you just named?
I have no problem with these panties or any attire with religious figures. The panties no one really sees so whats the problem and Sybarite..
Ya, I dont buy the our privates are sinful....I swear its sh*t that my shirt says "Jesus is my homeboy" and even though I personally wont wear it... its everyones freaking freedom if they would like him on their underwear too.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a picture on a pair of panties. Mine just aren't twisted enough for me to get overly concerned over it. Then again, I'm not a religious person. I was raised roman catholic, and I LOVE the imagery. I have copies of icons like the black madonna hanging in my home. I would wear the underwear if I liked the way they looked, without it ever being intended to offend anyone.
I'm probably not even going to come close to expressing myself here, but I know that a lot of people get riled up over fake designer handbags and fake lv prints. To me, they will only ever be prints on bags. And this is only a print on panties. Perhaps if it was done maliciously, or if it was printed on toilet paper I could understand more. I can see the point where this is religious and spiritual and sacred... but it just doesn't resonate with me as a crucial deal.
And please, don't be offended, anyone. It's just my opinion.
I'm probably not even going to come close to expressing myself here, but I know that a lot of people get riled up over fake designer handbags and fake lv prints. To me, they will only ever be prints on bags. And this is only a print on panties. Perhaps if it was done maliciously, or if it was printed on toilet paper I could understand more. I can see the point where this is religious and spiritual and sacred... but it just doesn't resonate with me as a crucial deal.
And please, don't be offended, anyone. It's just my opinion.
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completely agree.
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As far as I know...
It's because of what they represent, not the object itself.
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Personally, I disagree with a ton of statements from this topic. I honestly don't even know where to begin. I'm not a Hindu, so I can't speak for people of that faith, but I can still give my views here.
I know from past experience (Ale...) that I can find symbols to be very powerful things, especially when they are connected to religion in any way. Religion is an important part of so many peoples lives and the physical objects that are linked to it can carry almost as a great a significance as the emotional aspect. These objects symbolise a more spiritual connection, and while it may seem a bit silly, I think that the vast majority of humans identify through physical means. My personal theory is that that is one of the reasons there are so many images of Jesus being crucified. I have occationally heard the comment that such practices even border on idol worship (which is very frowned-upon in my background). I definately understand the value behind these material objects however.
I don't buy the argument that they are just panties with images and thus have no real value because they are simple pieces of clothing. In fact, (it may of course be totally different for Hindus) but in my religion, even associating a religious figure with a visible representation is not permitted. And panties! Not only are they physical, but that are also clothing, which is totally materialistic... but putting it onto panties! Yes, it is only a body part, but only a fool would fail to see the connotations. I'm not going to bother getting into that aspect of things.
Basically, not to sound overly dramatic or depressive, but worst part about this in my eyes is the loss of respect for not only religious icons, but spirituality as a whole. What shoud really be our most emotional and deep aspects are now being put onto panties of all things...
What does that say about the state of our culture? I'm honestly a bit scared by this whole sense of flippancy and lack of respect. Have we all become so materialistic and self-involved that doing things like this is now alright?
I know from past experience (Ale...) that I can find symbols to be very powerful things, especially when they are connected to religion in any way. Religion is an important part of so many peoples lives and the physical objects that are linked to it can carry almost as a great a significance as the emotional aspect. These objects symbolise a more spiritual connection, and while it may seem a bit silly, I think that the vast majority of humans identify through physical means. My personal theory is that that is one of the reasons there are so many images of Jesus being crucified. I have occationally heard the comment that such practices even border on idol worship (which is very frowned-upon in my background). I definately understand the value behind these material objects however.
I don't buy the argument that they are just panties with images and thus have no real value because they are simple pieces of clothing. In fact, (it may of course be totally different for Hindus) but in my religion, even associating a religious figure with a visible representation is not permitted. And panties! Not only are they physical, but that are also clothing, which is totally materialistic... but putting it onto panties! Yes, it is only a body part, but only a fool would fail to see the connotations. I'm not going to bother getting into that aspect of things.
Basically, not to sound overly dramatic or depressive, but worst part about this in my eyes is the loss of respect for not only religious icons, but spirituality as a whole. What shoud really be our most emotional and deep aspects are now being put onto panties of all things...
What does that say about the state of our culture? I'm honestly a bit scared by this whole sense of flippancy and lack of respect. Have we all become so materialistic and self-involved that doing things like this is now alright?I think we should all know by now that it's not very smart to f*ck around with religion, especially when it's attached to something as frivolous as fashion. I'm not in the least religious, and I think all religions are elitist cults (but that's a different story...) but I also know that religion in all its forms must be respected. It's easy for us to roll our eyes at something we don't understand, but these people have beliefs and customs steeped in ancient tradition. So you could imagine how these people would feel when some tacy Italian desginer who knows jack about their culture debases their religion. And for what? Art? Fashion? You can't put religion and fashion on the same scale. It's sacrilige. And even though someone doesn't share Hindi beliefs, that doesn't mean people have the right to continue to offend that religion. Would it be okay for a homophobe to kill a gay man because he thinks homosexuality is an abomination?
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I totally agree with your other points though.
Basically- don't mess with what you don't understand.
