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Chanel F/W 2020.21 Paris

Very unpopular opinion, but I don't hate Virginie... Her designs are certainly scaled back and more tom-boyish, but that strikes me as being early Chanel. Coco's original designs became popular for being streamlined, no frills, and easy to move in compared to the very precious and confining women's wear popular in the preceding Edwardian and victorian era. The same goes for the riding boots in this collection – I think Coco popularized a number of women's sporting looks that had been off limits for women to take part in previously.

Lastly, it seems like a lot of new designers at the helm of established luxury houses are sticking to safer collections right now – on another thread, someone was saying this is financially motivated... So maybe a return to the past is what's safe for Chanel right now ?
 
Who was the person who designed Pre-Fall and where are they now? Because it was so luxurious and lush in a way yet this collection is just so basic. I mean if they really needed that sweater with the big cross, they could make an embroidery or something else than intarsia. Due to that basic technique and the look of the cross, the piece looks very H&M and cheap. Interesting that Chanel decided to make a live streaming because it was almost unbearable to watch the whole show.

The savoir-faire might be still there, but everything looks so dull and not interesting in any way. At this point I hope she's just a palate cleanser and will be out after few seasons. It seems like she has no voice and won't have one.
 
Who would be a good fit for Chanel if not her
Phoebe, Nicolas, JWA. They are talented and their body of work proves that they can play with Chanel’s codes. Phoebe and Nicolas knows how to make clothes for women’s daily lives. Chanel sells a lot of daywear and they are great for that. They are classically trained designers.

JWA has developed a sense of Luxury at Loewe and I’m curious about him doing Couture.

I might raise eyebrows because I’ve been very critical of her work but Clare of Givenchy. She is lost at Givenchy but Chanel has a frame, codes and interesting archives to play with.

I would have loved to add Alber in the list but he is linked with Richemont.
Tbh, except MGC anybody could be good for Chanel now...
 
Beauty products...It’s always beauty products. They are generally previews of What’s going to be on stores the following season. Lucia Pica is always doing the work!
and for men?
 
What frustrates me about this is that Virginie has Lesage, Lemarie, the top craft houses in the world at her disposal....beadwork, embroidery, feathers, everything that makes Chanel grand isn't just for couture, Virginie!
 
and for men?
The same, beauty products. Chanel has a make-up line for men and they have moisturizers and stuff like that. But I never paid attention if men had different products when we got things like nails polish. I’ll pay attention next season.
 
I‘m really disappointed because I honestly thought she was capable....
 
The same, beauty products. Chanel has a make-up line for men and they have moisturizers and stuff like that. But I never paid attention if men had different products when we got things like nails polish. I’ll pay attention next season.
okay, it's really cool that you get to attend the Chanel shows.
 
Phoebe, Nicolas, JWA. They are talented and their body of work proves that they can play with Chanel’s codes. Phoebe and Nicolas knows how to make clothes for women’s daily lives. Chanel sells a lot of daywear and they are great for that. They are classically trained designers.

JWA has developed a sense of Luxury at Loewe and I’m curious about him doing Couture.

I might raise eyebrows because I’ve been very critical of her work but Clare of Givenchy. She is lost at Givenchy but Chanel has a frame, codes and interesting archives to play with.

I would have loved to add Alber in the list but he is linked with Richemont.
Tbh, except MGC anybody could be good for Chanel now...

I like all those choices, especially Nicolas and Phoebe. I have a feeling they want Phoebe at Chanel actually but know she is reluctant to work in Paris. She didn't want to miss her family (I believe) when she was with Celine.

I totally understand your suggestion of Clare also. She is technically good at constructing clothes but needs a vision and her own design style.

God, I wish Alber would go to Chanel. Just read that last sentence in your post....
 
Phoebe, Nicolas, JWA. They are talented and their body of work proves that they can play with Chanel’s codes. Phoebe and Nicolas knows how to make clothes for women’s daily lives. Chanel sells a lot of daywear and they are great for that. They are classically trained designers.

JWA has developed a sense of Luxury at Loewe and I’m curious about him doing Couture.

I might raise eyebrows because I’ve been very critical of her work but Clare of Givenchy. She is lost at Givenchy but Chanel has a frame, codes and interesting archives to play with.

I would have loved to add Alber in the list but he is linked with Richemont.
Tbh, except MGC anybody could be good for Chanel now...
I have a feeling they would not go for someone established in their own right . All these choices would be capable but they would bring baggage both stylewise and personality. They should take someone who will not overpower from the start. maybe that’s why they’re taking time . Someone like that is much harder to find .
 
I have a feeling they would not go for someone established in their own right . All these choices would be capable but they would bring baggage both stylewise and personality. They should take someone who will not overpower from the start. maybe that’s why they’re taking time . Someone like that is much harder to find .
They courted Karl because he was the best in RTW at the time. In 1982, he was the designer of several RTW in Europe and the designer of Chloe. Kitty d’Alessio loved him because he never copied Chanel...Except maybe in the concept of comfort and the idea of lightness, his work has nothing to do with Chanel...

No, they aren’t looking for anybody at the moment. Karl died last year but he provided almost a whole year of collections for the stores. So, her Chanel hasn’t performed yet. Nicolas’s contract expires in 2022 I think, JWA has a 1year difference with Nicolas in terms of contract and Phoebe is not tied, except for a family. Her children will be grown maybe in 2 years.

A brand like Chanel needs a strong personality. The Weirthemers are directly running things now and it’s also time to think about the future of brand, beyond them and the team that Karl has left. I have the feeling they are still mourning. They even have the same fit models...Except for Karl, nothing has changed in the team.
 
The only good thing about this show was the set. :)
 
Phoebe is not tied, except for a family. Her children will be grown maybe in 2 years.

This is what excites me. I remember reading that part of the reason she left Celine was to be even more present for her children, take them to school etc. and in a few years her youngest one will be almost a teenager; I'm sure she'll get back to fashion in some capacity, hopefully as a creative director of a large brand. Helming Chanel would be a dream.
 
I hate what the brand is doing with ins account....trying to sell the collection with pretentious and repetitive campaign shoot by I&V.
It's certainly not working and the pics are occupying the whole ins pages like crazy....and it's all borning B&W tone.

People! you only do that kind of sh*t when you know your collection and design have nothing real to present!
It's so pretentious and fake AF. can't believe the house approves this joke......
 
When you have the best ateliers in the world and this is all you can come up with...
Whole collection looks like granny version of LV mixed with a random italian designer.
I hope they fire her because despite the theatrics and ridiculous sets Chanel is getting more irrelevant every season.
 
I don't anti Virginie and quite enjoy the boyish touch she has been doing, however some horrible boots here...she needs a good footwaer design-team!
 
WHO SHOULD REPLACE VIRGINIE VIARD AT CHANEL (BECAUSE SOMEONE NEEDS TO)

written by Charles Manning March 4, 2020

OK. Enough is enough. It is time for a new creative director at Chanel. There, I said it. Virginie Viard was Karl Lagerfeld’s right hand at the brand for decades, so she certainly earned the right to take her shot at the top spot after his death a year ago. But what she has done with that shot, especially this season, feels like a pale imitation of what the house was doing under Lagerfeld and it’s time to move on.

Just look at this stuff! Could these dresses be any less flattering? Especially that green one! What is that? Why does anyone need that from Chanel (or from anyone else for that matter)? And the black one with the white lace shirt underneath looks like overgrown (and overwrought) children’s wear, especially when pared with those white stockings and swashbuckling boots. The boots, by the way, were shown with every single look, which feels like a tragic misstep from a brand that does such a roaring business in shoes.

And how could you do this to Kaia Gerber? This dress is ill-fitting, unflattering, boring, and, honestly, just looks cheap. If you told me it was made by a first year design student on a budget who used to work at Hot Topic, I’d believe you.



Speaking of things that are unflattering, what is up with these pants? I love a loose, free-flowing trouser as much as the next person, but these are just plain dumpy. And worst of all, she showed a version of them with like, half the looks in the collection. This was Viard’s pant. Her only pant. She had one idea for pants and then proceeded to just beat everyone over the head with it.



And can we talk about these weird little neck ties? The one tucked under that tweed tube top is particularly groan-inducing! It’s just trying so hard. To do what, I have no idea, but a concerted effort is certainly being made.



And what is up with this sweater? It looks like the fast-fashion version of that iconic Christian Lacroix jacket worn on the cover of Anna Wintour’s first issue of American Vogue. I hate using the word “iconic,” but that look was ICONIC. You can’t just slap some interlocking Cs on it and call it your own. Nor should you want to. It was a moment in time. A great moment, but a moment that has certainly passed.



Now, in the spirit of brutal honesty, I feel I have to say that I was never really a fan of Karl Lagerfeld’s ready-to-wear at Chanel either. I know, I know, BLASPHEMY! But hear me out: it was never the runway pieces that anyone actually cared about; it was the accessories, the jewelry, the bags, the shoes, the novelty surf boards and basketballs, and, of course, the classic tweed jackets and suits, which never really changed all that much from season to season anyway. And, of course, there was the grand pageantry and spectacle of it all — Karl was an absolute genius at that. His shows were an event! Even if the clothes were meh, the show was always a wonder.

And not for nothing, but Fendi without Lagerfeld is still freaking gorgeous. Like, did you see the Fall 2020 show? It was absolutely stunning and one of the highlights of Milan Fashion Week. But Chanel without Lagerfeld is just sad. All the drama and fantasy seem to have been drained out and all that’s left are a bunch of ill-fitting tweed sacks.

All of which brings us to the question of who should ultimately replace Virginie Viard at Chanel, because, like the title of this post says, someone needs to. Now, back when Lagerfeld first died, rumor had it that Phoebe Philo was going to take over, which seemed like an absolutely magnificent idea to just about everyone. Unfortunately, it seems Philo was unavailable at the time (the rumor as to why that was is something I’m not comfortable writing about) and now she’s starting her own thing, so it’s too late anyway.

Personally, I would love to see a woman at the helm of Chanel. I’m a big fan of what Natacha Ramsay-Levi has done at Chloé and would be interested to see what she did with a bigger budget and more support at Chanel. And I absolutely adore Simone Rocha. Her designs are so romantic and thoughtful. There is an intimacy to her work that feels quite the opposite of Lagerfeld at Chanel, but I feel confident that she could still create some truly gorgeous clothes and bring back some of the whimsy that has been lost under Viard.

If it were going to be a man, I would want it to be a real showman, like Marc Jacobs or Olivier Rousteing. Not that I always love everything they do (I’ve really been struggling with Balmain these last few seasons) but they certainly understand the idea of fashion as spectacle, which was such a huge part of Chanel’s success under Lagerfeld.

Back in the day, people used to like to say that Lagerfeld was grooming Hedi Slimane or Haider Ackermann to succeed him at Chanel. Slimane has zero reverence for house codes and would probably abolish tweed altogether if her got the job, so I don’t think that would ever happen. And as much as I love what Ackermann does, it is very specific and I wonder if he would bring enough variety and grandeur to Chanel to really make a go of it.

If Pierpaolo Piccioli wanted to leave Valentino, that could be cool. What he has created at that brand since shedding Maria Grazia Chiuri has been both visually stunning and extremely commercially successful, an essential combination for anyone looking for fill Lagerfeld’s shoes.

Should we bring Alber Elbaz into the conversation (although, like Philo, he is working on launching his own brand at the moment)? What about Jean Paul Gaultier? I loved what he did at Hermès.

Then again, maybe Chanel will choose someone unknown – someone who is not already a star but, with the right support and encouragement, could become the next Alessandro Michele, Clare Waight Keller, Daniel Lee, or Nicolas Ghesquière. Whatever they do, they need to do it soon. Please. Because what is happening at Chanel right now is just plain sad and it needs to stop.

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Natacha Ramsey Levi? Simone Rocha? Olivier Rousteing? Jean Paul Gaultier? Come on now...A very valid article that loose all it credibility once you read all the names mentioned.

Even if Natacha and Pierpaolo could deliver something, this list is ridiculous.
 
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Natacha Ramsey Levi? Simone Rocha? Olivier Rousteing? Jean Paul Gaultier? Come on now...A very valid article that loose all it credibility once you read all the names mentioned.

Even if Natacha and Pierpaolo could deliver something, this list is ridiculous.

The names he listed was the dead give away? The names are the least of the problems. While we can all agree that he is absolutely correct, this isn't the way to get his point across. A rant like this is perfectly acceptable for a forum, but not an official publication. He could have composed a story like this in a more professional manor. Now nobody is going to take him or this article seriously. I did like his subtle burn on Maria Grazia though. :evil:
 

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