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^The most surprising and weird thing to me about this article is that Porsche is number one. I just don’t see that. It seems kind of passé. But maybe it’s me. I don’t care for sports cars at all which is what they are known. Nothing beats a black sedan driven by a chauffeur.
its not so much the product itself but everything around it Porsche clubs are more loyal than women that shop for birkins, loyalty activations and lots of tiers to get certain cars watch companies do same game. these brands know everything about your lives and play into it via planning trips or know how much your willing to spend before you get what you want.

when you can spend millions just having what you want is not enough it's everything around it that makes it fun and delayed gratification is key in top luxury spending brands reward best clients goal is you should feel lucky they let you send money with them (i am not joking)

gamification of luxury if been perfected thats why its so addictive if you can play it at that level.
 
its not so much the product itself but everything around it Porsche clubs are more loyal than women that shop for birkins, loyalty activations and lots of tiers to get certain cars watch companies do same game. these brands know everything about your lives and play into it via planning trips or know how much your willing to spend before you get what you want.

when you can spend millions just having what you want is not enough it's everything around it that makes it fun and delayed gratification is key in top luxury spending brands reward best clients goal is you should feel lucky they let you send money with them (i am not joking)

gamification of luxury if been perfected thats why its so addictive if you can play it at that level.
You are so right. Again I don’t know anything about cars but I have plenty of rich people in my life and you are spot on about the gamification of luxury. Where as to me and I might be alone in this, I would just go buy a vintage item or I guess in car lingo it would be preowned or used. Take the Chanel flap bag. I would rather buy a vintage Aliigator version of that bag instead of spending the $12,000 for a new caviar leather version. I was really lucky I got my first two bags at the boutique before the overpricing kicked in a long long time ago.
And for me on the car subject, I wouldn’t want to own 5 other cars to get the one I want because I don’t have anywhere to store them living in New York. And I have no desire to own a house in the Hamptons with a big garage complex. To me seeing a house with a large car garage with multiple doors is vulgar. It usually ruins the curb appeal/aesthetics. However I’m sure someone would say my apartment is vulgar converting the guest bedroom into another walk in closet.
 
They also have Porsche cars that you can "easily" get, and over the years, after you've owned a few and become a trusted customer, you might be selected to have the chance to buy a GT3 or Turbo S. Additionally, you're encouraged to purchase certain packages, custom colors, or other options that cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Hermès is an easy game compared to the hoops you have to jump through with Porsche, Rolex, or Ferrari. Chanel could never!
 
They also have Porsche cars that you can "easily" get, and over the years, after you've owned a few and become a trusted customer, you might be selected to have the chance to buy a GT3 or Turbo S. Additionally, you're encouraged to purchase certain packages, custom colors, or other options that cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Hermès is an easy game compared to the hoops you have to jump through with Porsche, Rolex, or Ferrari. Chanel could never!
I think you have to look at it from a different frame. What is the ultimate grail in all those companies?
Having a Birkin is not that difficult. I got proposed to get one and declined years ago. However, I think having a specific Birkin or a commande spéciale is the ultimate grail at Hermes.

At Chanel, the ultimate grail is Haute Couture and there are a lot of politics to get to that level.

The difference with a car is the level of wealth required. Beyond frivolity, owning multiple Porsche is another level lol.
 
You are so right. Again I don’t know anything about cars but I have plenty of rich people in my life and you are spot on about the gamification of luxury. Where as to me and I might be alone in this, I would just go buy a vintage item or I guess in car lingo it would be pre owned or used. Take the Chanel flap bag. I would rather buy a vintage Alligator version of that bag instead of spending the $12,000 for a new caviar leather version. I was really lucky I got my first two bags at the boutique before the overpricing kicked in a long long time ago.
And for me on the car subject, I wouldn’t want to own 5 other cars to get the one I want because I don’t have anywhere to store them living in New York. And I have no desire to own a house in the Hamptons with a big garage complex. To me seeing a house with a large car garage with multiple doors is vulgar. It usually ruins the curb appeal/aesthetics. However I’m sure someone would say my apartment is vulgar converting the guest bedroom into another walk in closet.
i agree especially with watches i don't play the AP or Patek game i like vintage models more any ways, also i never understood it for my self i know what i like dont push on me something i really don't care for , or when they tell you something is a best seller its cringe like really i want the thing you sold the most off great !!!! lol

its not vulgar to have 2 walk in closets because its privat it's better any ways to have one summer and one winter if you can you should :-)
also you can't have bed linen and towels in same room as wax coats etc not nice or shoes and luggages in same room thing that are in contact with lots of things outside ...Vulgar/not hygienic is when is see worn shoes next to bags and jewelry like its a shop vitrine on one shelf lol no thanks
 
It makes sense Porsche has such a high rating. They have such a strong reputation for durability, and performance, and prestige - a rare combo. For the car enthusiasts it’s a big community too. For the super enthusiast they can take it to the track and abuse the heck out of it and it’ll take the beating every single time.

Not everyone will be doing the latter but there’s more of a return on investment and perceived value that’s different than with apparel. Unless you’re buying performance or hiking apparel you don’t see a tangible value with every wear.

Out of embarrassment I won’t mention where I live (just know it continuously makes the bottom of any type of list lol) but I see the Cayennes fairly often and most of the time it’s “soccer moms” or people who aren’t really into cars yet got it just because they could afford it.

I guess it’s the equivalent of me buying Patagonia even though I never plan on camping or going on week long hikes - even if it is overkill for casual use, I at least feel comfortable knowing I made a quality purchase.
 
It makes sense Porsche has such a high rating. They have such a strong reputation for durability, and performance, and prestige - a rare combo. For the car enthusiasts it’s a big community too. For the super enthusiast they can take it to the track and abuse the heck out of it and it’ll take the beating every single time.

Not everyone will be doing the latter but there’s more of a return on investment and perceived value that’s different than with apparel. Unless you’re buying performance or hiking apparel you don’t see a tangible value with every wear.

Out of embarrassment I won’t mention where I live (just know it continuously makes the bottom of any type of list lol) but I see the Cayennes fairly often and most of the time it’s “soccer moms” or people who aren’t really into cars yet got it just because they could afford it.

I guess it’s the equivalent of me buying Patagonia even though I never plan on camping or going on week long hikes - even if it is overkill for casual use, I at least feel comfortable knowing I made a quality purchase.
It's different. Moms buy Cayennes because 1) they sit high with better views and 2) it's heavy so god forbid there is a collision you have a better chance. The look and craftsmanship are lower on the priority list, and lower still is the performance. (btw if you rank SUVs by weight, most of the heavy SUVs are luxury SUVs.)
I don't drive a porsche but we bought our car with mostly functional reasons.

Fashion is different.
 
It's different. Moms buy Cayennes because 1) they sit high with better views and 2) it's heavy so god forbid there is a collision you have a better chance. The look and craftsmanship are lower on the priority list, and lower still is the performance. (btw if you rank SUVs by weight, most of the heavy SUVs are luxury SUVs.)
I don't drive a porsche but we bought our car with mostly functional reasons.

Fashion is different.
Sorry, maybe I phrased it poorly, but that's what I was basically saying, lol. With something like a car you get it for functionality and you can attribute a higher value to it because of said functionality that you use daily. Where as with fashion it's more superficial/aesthetic reasons than functionality.
 
Sorry, maybe I phrased it poorly, but that's what I was basically saying, lol. With something like a car you get it for functionality and you can attribute a higher value to it because of said functionality that you use daily. Where as with fashion it's more superficial/aesthetic reasons than functionality.
Gotcha - yes we agree!
 
I just dont know why it doesn’t have chain trim ? Doesnt that seem obvious.

The original trim with a dainty bead on black leather was awful. Karl understood fabric weights and would’ve done a much heavier visually trim to balance out the heavy leather dress.
 

PUCK NEWS​

We Don’t Talk About Bruno​

News and notes on the subtle transformation at Chanel under Leena Nair and, now, Matthieu Blazy, as the Pavlovsky era appears to be fading.
Leena Nair bruno pavlovsky

Pavlovsky, right, represents the last vestige of the old way of doing things, and it seems that Nair, left, is priming one of his deputies to effectively succeed him when he retires. Photo: Ludovic Marin/AFP/Getty Images


Last week, after Chanel released its 2024 report, the phrase “sales slide” appeared in numerous headlines—a reference not only to a 4 percent decline in global sales at the megabrand, but also a 28 percent drop in profits. But these results didn’t shake me. After all, Chanel is a private company that only publishes its numbers to appease the nosy press. Chanel also reported $3.4 billion in post-tax earnings, and spent $1.8 billion on capital expenditures (a 43 percent increase from the previous year), plus $2.5 billion on “brand activities,” from marketing to off-piste runway shows catering to loyal clients. The company added nearly 1,900 employees, too. It was an investment year at Chanel.
That’s not to say the numbers don’t betray a great deal about the current state of the company, and broader concerns about the future of the luxury industry, which is experiencing the greatest slowdown in its history—even worse than during the Great Recession. This is a time of monumental transition, there’s no way around it. Matthieu Blazy’s appointment as the brand’s “artistic director of fashion activities” doesn’t simply connote a generational changeover, but rather a complete strategy overhaul led by C.E.O. Leena Nair.
Nair’s 30-year tenure at Unilever, primarily in human resources, has made her an efficiency queen—an executive focused on streamlining operations while somehow enabling employee satisfaction. It’s remarkable how much she has already accomplished in less than four years at Chanel, given the old-fashioned and entrenched way in which it was previously run. Credit to the Wertheimer family, its owners, for recognizing that Chanel is a massive global entity that needs to be managed as incisively as the label on a stick of deodorant. Gone are the days of sentimental decision-making and the pas possible attitude that pervades French culture. The layoffs that took place in the U.S. earlier this year—about 80 people in the first tranche—showed that this is no longer Bruno Pavlovsky’s Chanel, despite the fact that the company’s once ubiquitous president of fashion has continued to serve as a spokesperson during each runway season.
Pavlovsky represents the last vestige of the old way of doing things, and it seems that Nair is priming one of his deputies—presumably the American Joyce Green, who moved to Paris in early 2024—to effectively succeed him when he retires. Chanel insiders suggested that Pavlovsky’s receipt of the French Order of Merit by Emmanuel Macron a few weeks back was an indication that his planned denouement is likely sooner than perhaps anticipated. While Pavlovsky was integral in the hiring of Blazy—who attended his ceremony at Élysée Palace earlier this month—it may not make sense in the reorganization to have a president of fashion, per se.

Pavlov vs. Pavlovsky​

Nair, as I’ve previously reported, is rearranging the business in such a way that will require a tremendous amount of agility and flexibility from its executives—un-siloing the operations, for instance, so that beauty and fragrance, fine jewelry, and fashion operate collaboratively, while also ensuring that no one in the organization ever has as much power as Karl Lagerfeld once did. Green represents a bridge between the old world and the new, and is comfortable working across categories. Pavlovsky may be only 62—the same age as Tom Cruise!—but he has worked at the firm since 1990, and may be less open to change.
Nair can achieve all this only because of the strength of Chanel, which sits at a truly unique spot on the luxury brand heat map. It is the most recognizable fashion house in the world, with the clearest identifiers—quilted leather, grey jersey, pearls, bouclé, gold link chains, ballet flats, flap bags, boxy jackets, etcetera—and an owned-and-operated fragrance and beauty business that drives volume. A friend recently asked me how many people buy full-price Chanel products every year: I’d estimate that they sell between 700,000 to 1 million handbags globally. So just think about how many lipsticks that must mean.
It is, indeed, a mass brand, and executives have been able to continue to impart its specialness while selling more (or as much) product. In 2017, Chanel generated $10 billion in sales; seven years later, that number was $18 billion. Does it have to be so big? It’s a question for the Wertheimer family and the fashion industry at large, which is nearing the end of its consolidation cycle, and seemingly forfeiting its position at the center of culture. There are few lines out the door, and demand is softening in China and the United States. Chanel’s decline in these regions, despite its best efforts, indicates the need for a different strategy.
Brands that have performed over the past year—Hermès, Loro Piana, Bottega Veneta, and Louis Vuitton—were all built on practical goods, not couture. Chanel cannot escape its history as a couture house, but that means it cannot simply mimic the Hermès approach. Like many luxury companies, Chanel has focused its effort on ultra-high-net-worth customers—those who spend $1 million a year or more at Chanel alone—and then the entry beauty customer, perhaps inadvertently neglecting the vast and still-privileged middle. Reading between the lines of the results, it’s clear that leather goods—not mentioned once in the release—likely pose the biggest challenge. As Pavlovsky has admitted himself, the perceived value of the bags does not match the actual prices. (This isn’t a leather goods house, and a 2.55 will almost certainly never garner the same level of respect as a Birkin.)
But I’d also point out the tremendous effort to increase direct-to-consumer beauty sales by opening standalone stores in China, especially. This strategy suggests that beauty and fragrance sales have slowed as the market has saturated, and the company is looking for new distribution opportunities on top of ways to widen margins.

Delphine’s Dior​

Historically, Chanel has been a first mover in the market on so many fronts—from the appointment of Lagerfeld in the early 1980s and the seasonalization of leather goods in the 1990s, to the current direct-to-consumer beauty push. The arrival of Blazy, who will show his first collection in October, is the latest example. Back in the early days of Lagerfeld, and well into the ascendance of LVMH with Marc Jacobs at Louis Vuitton and John Galliano at Dior, the job of the designer was to create a halo effect that the company could use to push other products. At some point, that changed, and the designer became responsible for pushing the commercialized product, too. Now, in a transformed market, Blazy is something of a hybrid: His runway designs are meant to stoke sales, but Chanel’s new model, in which the wheels can successfully turn without a creative visionary steering, does not put all the onus on him.
It’s a bit different than what’s going on at Dior, which seems to be reverting to the old model in an attempt to revive sales. There’s no doubt that new Dior designer Jonathan Anderson has the hardest job in fashion as he attempts to create something novel and agenda-setting for his first men’s show. He must please Dior C.E.O. Delphine Arnault, collaborate with marketing head Olivier Bialobos, and wait patiently for the Maria Grazia Chiuri situation to resolve itself, with the knowledge that Dior is Bernard Arnault’s most prized possession. (There are no politics as tricky as those at Dior. It was, after all, Arnault’s first acquisition.)

And yet, Chanel is the brand on which B.A. built Dior, and on which the rest of the industry modeled itself for decades. Pavlovsky has said that the company will exhibit patience with Blazy, and allow him to develop his practice while the Chanel engine keeps chugging.

That may be true, but it kinda has to work.
 
Nair’s 30-year tenure at Unilever, primarily in human resources, has made her an efficiency queen—an executive focused on streamlining operations while somehow enabling employee satisfaction.
This is a BIG problem and a BIG mistake. What is she doing at Chanel and how he landed there is beyond my comprehension...!
 
^^That article screams disaster on so many fronts. And may be why fashion as a whole seems stuck. When middle class executives are too worried about the bottom line instead of supporting the designer fully in creating a magical world that is beautiful and endearing because it is temporary. We don’t want every season to see the same beige coat or white dress or at least I don’t. I want to see themes and creative experiences. One season take us on a Chanel safari, the next a Chanel mystery movie set, the next a disco urbane Chanel, the next a more historically accurate interpretation of the house codes, the next Chanel on planet Jupiter. Make us dream and fantasize because at the end of the day we can go buy a good or even great beige coat or white dress for a fraction of the cost at Bloomingdale’s or Liberty. We buy designer for the fantasy and the magic.
The reason vintage is so big right now beyond environmental and financial issues is because people are going why would I spend $9,000 on this basic coat when I can go get a similar and a lot of times better quality coat from 1995 for $3,000.
 
I associate Chanel with a sense of utility when it comes to certain styles and wardrobe staples, but its strong ties to couture eliminate the idea of efficiency. Really any high fashion and couture oriented brand shouldn’t be using such a word to associate the management. It ruins the essence of what it is about. Talk about bleak.

So many other brands are offering better seasonal options and variants of what Chanel used to offer. That’s the opposite of what should be going on. When your rivals are doing Chanel better than Chanel, you have a problem.
 

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