DeGeneres in Doghouse with Animal Group

[erin_k]

Sounds like they are picking and choosing what rules theyre gonna follow. I really don't see what the big deal is. Iggy was given to a safe, loving home. this is just going to turn people away from adoption agencies, which is sad..

 

[smartarse]

this was a discussion around the watercooler today.... i didnt know pet adoption agency has this policy. when adopting a pet you cannot give it to another person/s , if and when , the pet compromises the living conditions. did any of you knew? (before Ellen's situations, that is)

 

[lollicandy]

I'm really annoyed by Ellen. My family adopted our dog from an animal shelter, and consequently my sister worked at an animal shelter afterwards.

I have to just get this off my chest because it really bothers me that people are apparently sending death threats to this agency, and calling them all sorts of names.

Just looking at the facts, I have to say that I'm really disappointed with Ellen. She agreed by contract to adopt this dog and take FULL responsibility as an owner. This is not something to be taken lightly, this is another creatures life at stake and you must be willing to be there for that animal for its entire life. You don't just adopt a kid, say "doesn't work out" and pass them off. I know that might seem extreme to some people, but to be honest they are essentially an 'adoption agency.'

Kudos to the agency for actually following up on the dog though. They want to have their animals placed in stable homes; not just be passed around like some unwanted fruitcake. And that is the reality, that many pets from pet store to shelters are picked up without much thought by prospective animal owners, only they did not think deeply enough about the committment and responsibility. These animals end up passed off to other families maybe multiple times, are likely to be abandoned, abused or end right up in town shelters who are usually kill shelters. That is NOT ok. That is why these agencies and those who work in shelters try very very hard not let this dogs slip through the cracks and end up back in shelters.

Furthermore, Ellen had the dog for 2 WEEKS!! 2 weeks is NOT long enough for an animal to acclimate to his environment, adjust to your schedule (feedings, walks, alone time etc). She has 2 cats and she said they didn't get along. Well guess what, as a responsible owner it is your DUTY to figure out how to ameliorate the situation, ie animal trainers/behavior specialists etc. She has many many options open to her and I'll bet even from the agency in terms of advice. Most of all animals need to be socialized w/you supervising, (just like little kids), and I'll bet she simply didnt have the time. It took my dog months to finally adjust to his new home, and any vet or shelter worker will say it will take several months to adjust more difficult dogs maybe a year with hard work.

When adoptions don't work out, shelter/agency, they repeat numerous times to contact them so that you can return the dog. Its my experience looking for a dog, and also from my sister that worked at a shelter. The reason being is that you are not an animal expert who has the resources to shelter that animal in a safe environment nor are you necessarily qualified to place animals in homes.

Lastly she signed the contract, she should've read through it. I find it hard to believe that Ellen as a showbiz person didn't read through this.

I just don't get this big snuffling crying scene, she really created this problem herself. Next time think through adopting animals more carefully Ellen. Anyway, what's Portia doing now a days, couldn't she have looked after all the animals?

 

[misssakura]

"Life Threatened
Speaking to Access Hollywood, Baktis expressed concerns for the safety of herself and her animals. "I haven't eaten, I'm sick and I've had heart palpitations," she said, sobbing. "My life is being threatened, this is horrible. I rescue dogs. I can't believe this.""

And surprisingly, she made another bunch of money from re-adopting the dog, and she's going to try and get more money from Ellen. bullsh*t, she may take the dogs in but the rule about not adopting dogs to a family with kids? Dogs are GREAT with kids...they have so much energy in general that they need kids to wear them out. Of course it depends on the kind of dog but the family said that they loved the dog and that it was working out.

This cow is just a greedy money grabber who made a big big big mistake that she doesn't want to admit - yes Ellen IS a celebrity. So don't screw around with her because it's not going to work out well for you. That's how it works. Deal with it or don't adopt to Ellen in the first place.

 

[misssakura]

This is not something to be taken lightly, this is another creatures life at stake and you must be willing to be there for that animal for its entire life. You don't just adopt a kid, say "doesn't work out" and pass them off.

So what you're saying is, if the Dog doesn't get along with established family members, shock it, brainwash it, change it so that it fits in? Isn't that worse? She made the decision before the dog had become too attached because it was the best thing to do. Look, I love animals, I'm a vegan, I have 2 cats, I adopted a kitten for our older cat - if they hadn't gotten along I would have found her a new home. It's not worth stressing out an established family member over it.

It happens. I wouldn't have taken my cat out of her environment to get 're-trained'. Find somebody who bonds with the animal, let them love it as it is.

Edit: Also as much as I love animals and respect how they have emotions and feel pain, they aren't on the same intelligence level as children, you can't really teach them to have personalities, they won't really learn...they come somewhat as is and might adjust how friendly they are but other than that you're looking at a developed creature from the age of a few months.

Second edit: Probably came across as being more harsh than I intended...all I'm saying is sometimes it doesn't work out....I think it's better for an animal to be immediately placed with a family than go back to the shelter.

Third edit:

This is not something to be taken lightly, this is another creatures life at stake and you must be willing to be there for that animal for its entire life. You don't just adopt a kid, say "doesn't work out" and pass them off.

I doubt the majority of shelter workers can accurately assess people and their personalities and histories, since I doubt the majority of them have a vast experience in social work or psychology. They can make a guess at it, hope the people don't lie on the form and get on with their lives.

 

[misssakura]

Also whoever gave Ellen the pet didn't do a very good job of making her sign each individual part of the contract to make sure she understood..we had to go through it with the owner and we talked for a while, took about 30 minutes just to sign the contract.

 

[misssakura]

And allllso (god my brain is NOT working properly, thinking in bits of pieces)
Even though Ellen was the one who made the mistake with the contract, effectively this agency took it out on the family who had grown to love the dog..which is not cool at all.

But anybody who sends death threats is a freakin' moron and a waste of space.

 

[lollicandy]

So what you're saying is, if the Dog doesn't get along with established family members, shock it, brainwash it, change it so that it fits in? Isn't that worse?

Whoa!! What? I'm not saying lets traumatize this animal LOL. And I don't believe in caveman training involving electric shocks, or any other Manchurian Candidate methods either. But is 2 weeks enough for a puppy with no training to get used to 2 already estbalished pets and household no.

I know they're aren't like children, I said that's an extreme. I said you 'supervise their interactions like you would supervise children interacting'.

I don't know that you need to have a BA in psych, but lets just be honest you need to have some experience with people/pets etc to know who is a good candidate or not to have a pet. So I agree with you on that. But did Ellen have dogs before? Does she know what to look for in prospective families, environments? I don't know that for sure.

Also, yea I agree if its a bad fit its a bad fit. But then again, I don't know what went on those 2 weeks or if they were prepared to do this and really thought it thro or not. In any case, it was bad decision making to just pass off the dog without notifying the agency.

The hairdresser's family had the dog for 2 weeks, not years. They'll be fine, Ellen will be fine. The dog has a new hopefully permanent home, he'll be fine. I just find it hard to believe that in 4 weeks, 2 each in different homes this dog was irretrievably bonded. But that's just my opinion.

 

[lollicandy]

Oh sweet jesus, apparently TMZ taped the whole 'confrontation' and attempted rescue of Iggy. I still stand by what I said before, but geez this situations is totally out of control.

It seems like Marina Baktis from the agency threatened to bring media to the house if she didn't get the dog, so Portia and Ellen 'preempted' by bringing TMZ with them, LOL this is the most lulz worthy drama ever. Too bad cooler heads didn't prevail on either side, bringing TMZ into it made everyone look ridic.

Ellen and Portia were really nice but she just made a bad decision. I bet Baktis was counting on this adoption for PR reasons. Just a hunch.

 

[CharlottefromCA]

its a LOSE LOSE situation.. I wish the media would just let it go then everyone can move THE HECK on

 

[erin_k]

I would take the animal adoption agencies side IF this Marina woman wasn't being such a.... well. She's making it completely personal. She didn't consider keeping Iggy with ellens hairdressers family because of her personal disagreement with ellen. She could have easily did a home check and such and let it be, but it just got blown up because of her press releases and statements about "the ellens of the world".

 

[lollicandy]

Seeing "ellens of the world", I don't know why that made me laugh but it did. If there were more "ellens" the world be a lot calmer and nicer, sorry Marina!

 

[erin_k]

^ Lol. Well I just watched tmz videos of the confrontation, and although I understand the 'rules were broken' (even though she's broken her own rules before), "Marina" comes off as cow. She should have handled the situation much differently.

 

[misssakura]

So what you're saying is, if the Dog doesn't get along with established family members, shock it, brainwash it, change it so that it fits in? Isn't that worse?


Whoa!! What? I'm not saying lets traumatize this animal LOL. And I don't believe in caveman training involving electric shocks, or any other Manchurian Candidate methods either. But is 2 weeks enough for a puppy with no training to get used to 2 already estbalished pets and household no.

I know they're aren't like children, I said that's an extreme. I said you 'supervise their interactions like you would supervise children interacting'.

I don't know that you need to have a BA in psych, but lets just be honest you need to have some experience with people/pets etc to know who is a good candidate or not to have a pet. So I agree with you on that. But did Ellen have dogs before? Does she know what to look for in prospective families, environments? I don't know that for sure.

Also, yea I agree if its a bad fit its a bad fit. But then again, I don't know what went on those 2 weeks or if they were prepared to do this and really thought it thro or not. In any case, it was bad decision making to just pass off the dog without notifying the agency.

The hairdresser's family had the dog for 2 weeks, not years. They'll be fine, Ellen will be fine. The dog has a new hopefully permanent home, he'll be fine. I just find it hard to believe that in 4 weeks, 2 each in different homes this dog was irretrievably bonded. But that's just my opinion.

I guess I'm a bit touchy about it because I bonded with my cat really quickly and imagining her being taken away just gets me mad But you're right we don't know the specifics of the situation..only that it was handled pretty badly...

 

[LUXXX]

its a LOSE LOSE situation.

I agree and both side made mistakes...

Ellen should've just taken the dog back...and then said hold it cause I have another family already lined up. That would've solved that issue...but this adoption place does seem to have some weird hang ups on different issues after reviewing the evidence further...

 

[brokenenglish]

I agree this is really out of hand.
I understand where everyone is coming from but maybe this should have been handled more privately.

 

[justlooking]

^ i agree.
i finally saw the footage of her crying... i thought it was... strange.... i didn't like it...

 

[brokenenglish]

^ If it were a live show and she had a breakdown moment it would be one thing....
but considering her show is taped in advance and they didn't take it out.....

 

[uglymodelwench69]

saw her in new york one time when i was there for this runway gig.. what a jerk she is. and she was wearing mink. lol

 

[lollicandy]

^ Ellen was wearing mink? Really?