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June 7, 2007
Stealing the Scene Along With the Store

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Joe Fornabaio for The New York Times

Squaring Off Ashley and Mary-Kate Olsen are competing as designers with the likes of Phillip Lim, honored this week as fashion’s top emerging talent.

By ERIC WILSON

ON Monday night, the 33-year-old designer Phillip Lim, who worked quietly behind the scenes in other designers’ studios for a decade before putting his name on a label that is now sold at Neiman Marcus, won the fashion industry’s highest award for emerging talent. Yet his obvious pleasure at being recognized by the Council of Fashion Designers of America at its annual ceremony must have been tempered by the fact that he was handed his statuette by two women who also call themselves young designers — Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen.

The ubiquitous celebrity twins, who turn 21 next week, had been invited by the fashion industry to present awards for rising stars at the New York Public Library. This fall, the Olsens are introducing a collection that will compete with Mr. Lim, and they would not mind someday being nominated for the award he won.

“You think, ‘Wow, how unfair,’ ” Mr. Lim said last week before the awards, after reading an article in Women’s Wear Daily about the Olsens’ plans to expand their marketing, fashion and lip-gloss empire — estimated by Forbes in 2003 to have sales of $1.4 billion — into the contemporary clothing market, the industry’s catch-all term for trendy sportswear lines like Vince and Theory, as well as that of Mr. Lim.

While sewing his own tuxedo for the awards ceremony in his garment district loft, Mr. Lim described a growing frustration among his peers as they face an onslaught of competing labels from celebrities. The Olsen twins, whose earlier merchandise was aimed at tweens and sold in mass stores like Wal-Mart, have grown up and moved on to try the adult market. They have a high-end designer line called the Row, which is sold at Barneys New York. On Monday night, they wore their new label, Elizabeth and James (named for their unfamous siblings), whereas not long ago they might have worn the designs of someone like Mr. Lim.

There is a great paradox here. For decades fashion has courted celebrities. It encouraged pop stars who moonlighted as designers, like Sean Combs, Jennifer Lopez and Gwen Stefani, to stage runway shows for flashy jeans and confectionary hot-pants ensembles. Mr. Combs, partly for his oversize personality and courtship of key players like Anna Wintour and Tom Ford, was nominated for awards for years and won for best men’s wear in 2004. It seemed harmless fun.

But now a number of designers are not so sure. Mr. Lim, who expects his collection to reach $30 million in sales this year and plans to open a store in SoHo next month, said the chances of a young designer surviving in the business today are “slim to none.” By contrast, celebrity lines like those of Mr. Combs and Ms. Lopez typically break the $100 million mark in sales in their first or second year, thanks to the power of a star name hitched to a huge marketing campaign. And they almost always begin with a lucrative fragrance deal, whereas it takes years for traditional designers to get the attention of companies like Estée Lauder or Coty.

“Celebrities have made it harder for real designers,” said Vera Wang, who won the top fashion council award for women’s design in 2005 and has designed for more than three decades.

“It’s a big open field out there now, like the Wild, Wild West,” Ms. Wang said. “You could be competing against a television or movie star for a fragrance deal, and that’s an added pressure for designers. We’re working really hard to keep our heads above water, and does the public differentiate, or care? Those are big questions. The most obvious impact is in fragrance, but certainly in apparel we’re feeling it now as well.”

The struggle of talented designers is an old lament. On top of familiar pressures — the contracting number of department stores, the difficulty of finding financing, the fickleness of consumers —some designers are now waking up to realize they are competing with celebrities for market share. With the likes of Sarah Jessica Parker, Jennifer Lopez and Paris Hilton jumping into the high-end department-store tier of the fragrance business, celebrities have grabbed 10 percent of that $2.8 billion market, as of 2005, whereas a decade ago their presence barely registered.

Ms. Wang suggested that Ms. Parker, who introduced a casual apparel collection for the T-shirt chain Steve & Barry’s last month, should begin wearing only her own clothes at public events. To play by the new rules of the business, Ms. Wang is creating a lower-priced line for Kohl’s, which will compete with a collection by Daisy Fuentes.

But what about the talent that “real” designers bring to their craft? Doesn’t that skill and artisanship matter to consumers, compared with the brute marketing muscle behind a line like, say, Kate Moss’s recent collection for Topshop, which was copied from pieces by other designers that were in the model’s closet?

Diane Von Furstenberg, the president of the designer council, argued that most celebrity collections, unlike those of its high-end members, are intended for a mass market. “I can see that the young designers fear they can get overpowered,” she said, “but they shouldn’t, because talent wins out.”

The awards event, which in its earliest incarnation was the invention of the fashion publicist Eleanor Lambert to promote American designers as a group, comes across today as a competitive sport between designers to draw the attention of photographers, resulting in the spectacle on Monday of Michael Kors posing with Heidi Klum, Liya Kebede and Debra Messing as Charlie’s Angels at the end of the red carpet.

The courtship of celebrities for publicity remains a fact of business one could not overlook at the awards, where Ralph Lauren was introduced by Oprah Winfrey, Uma Thurman wore a dress designed by Zac Posen, and the Proenza Schouler designers, Jack McCollough and Lazaro Hernandez, who shared with Oscar de la Renta the award for women’s wear designer of the year, arrived with Kate Bosworth in one of their designs.

Popular culture’s heightened focus on fashion encourages designers to raise their personal profiles. “Post Tom Ford, fashion has become a very different place,” said Thakoon Panichgul, who was also nominated for the honor Mr. Lim won. “There was so much globalization of fashion before when Tom Ford was the ‘it boy’ and because of that, people expect more of a designer. You have to do more than one job. You have to be out and about and be very sociable.”

The Olsen twins, whose offbeat personal style of excessive layering and oversize proportions has had as much influence on modern fashion as Seventh Avenue, seemed to recognize this social aspect of the designer job, serving as hosts to a fashion industry dinner with the Swarovski crystal company on Sunday night.

“At the end of the night, we’re going to go home like everyone else and wake up tomorrow and go back to work,” Ashley Olsen said at the party. She and her sister mingled with seasoned designers like Ms. Von Furstenberg, Arnold Scaasi and Pierre Cardin, 85, the apotheosis of old school licensing, whose name is on more than 800 products, with a volume of about $1.5 billion. That is comparable to the sales of the Olsens.

“We live in a media-crazed culture, where it’s all about celebrity,” said Daniel Silver, who with Steven Cox makes up the Duckie Brown design team, which was also nominated for an award. Mr. Silver said they could not compare the work of celebrities to their own, but they acknowledge that sharing the stage with them has had an impact on the psyche of the modern designer.

“There is no sense of enough there,” Mr. Silver said. “Being self-funded, it’s always a struggle. Quite often, if you are somewhat successful, and slightly lucky, you still tend to implode anyway.”

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Joe Fornabaio for The New York Times
Design Gala On fashion’s award night: Zac Posen, Bruce Weber (center) and Karen Elson.

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Joe Fornabaio for The New York Times
Steven Cox (left) and Daniel Silver.

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Joe Fornabaio for The New York Times
Thakoon Panichgul.

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Joe Fornabaio for The New York Times
Pierre Cardin (left), with Calvin Klein and Diane Von Furstenberg.
 
I see what he means. I never really thought about it before; I've NEVER brought into any celebrity fashion line. In my opinion, why should these people have the right and authority to design??? Victoria Beckham, Gwen, Kate Moss; it makes me sick. It must be so hard to get your foot in the door if youre a designer. But I dont think Mr Lim has to worry, his clothes are and always will be 1000000000x better than any celebrity line. The mass of people who actually have money to spend on these high-end designers would choose quality over a celebrity name (at least I would)
 
Interesting article, thanks for posting. Like Diane von furstenberg said: in the end talent is the most important thing. Al those celebrity labels will fade away eventually.
 
Most celebrity lines are aiming for a completely different market than high end lines- they are for the masses, and nearly always priced at the under $200 mark, often far lower.

His demographic is completely different- I'd say his worries are unfounded.
 
^ well lines like LAMB & The Row and even Victorias Rock & Republic are highly priced
 
i loved the dig that vera wang made about SJP. :D

"Ms. Wang suggested that Ms. Parker, who introduced a casual apparel collection for the T-shirt chain Steve & Barry’s last month, should begin wearing only her own clothes at public events."
 
Well I ,er, we have been talking about this for a long time now.
I predicted this day would come...........and its nice to see Mr. Wilson and others in the media are catching up to the discussion.
( See Consequences of Affordable collections thread)
I have a lot to say about this and will post more later when i have time.

But.............. the rise of Celebrity Fashion lines is one of the last Nails in the Coffin of the high fashion/designer Market of which the true consequences are yet to be realized.
Miss DVF can keep talking, Her comments are so out of touch with the reality that now exist..........one of the thing ive learned in this life is that a lot of people believe that if we deny something long enough it will go away.......... of which she is now being one of those persons.
 
Great article, DV. I think celebutantes should be restricted to hanging their crappy "designs" in Wal-Mart, Target and trailer courts (y'know - trailer trash). :angry:
 
well, some retailers expressly DONT hire celeb-designers design things for their store. such as target. target focuses on fashion and home lines from established and talented designers and artists.

i think lord and taylor plans to ape target in the respect that they hired a designer from the brand tuleh to retool their store.

I think it was a mistake for Kohl's to hire celebrities such as daisy fuentes and vanessa minillo to do clothing and cosmetics for their stores. for one thing, these are not impressive celebrities to begin with...:rolleyes:
 
the problem is,is that now,they are not just in the mass market epicentre's....as the article mentions MK+a are now being carried at Barney's(which i hope wasn't a decision of julie gilhart....please say it isn't so!??)and competing with somebody like a lim,doo.ri etc. it's really disheartnening the state of fashion,particularly the american/british obsession with celebs. these people have no right really because they're playing upon the mere styles they were dressed by stylists. so it's a bit ironic that they themselves,quite pompously,and the many people that seem to buy into,consider them some kind of authorities. they are not designers either,and i feel that,in most marketing moves,it's very dishonest and disgusting to present them as such because they're nothing but mouthpieces for stylists that actually make them.
 
I think it was a mistake for Kohl's to hire celebrities such as daisy fuentes and vanessa minillo to do clothing and cosmetics for their stores. for one thing, these are not impressive celebrities to begin with...:rolleyes:

Considering I only vaguely know who they are, I think you have a point!:blush:


I do so love how celebrity lines have been shown so much animosity from even the highest executives and designers.
 
MK+a are now being carried at Barney's(which i hope wasn't a decision of julie gilhart....please say it isn't so!??)
.

I can't get over Kate Moss for Topshop being carried at Barney's wtf is that about??? Ridiculous.
 
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It's nice to finally hear from the real designers. it's unfair that the Olsen's get their new lines carried at barney's within a blink of an eye, most designers dream of carrying their lines at those types of stores. it's only a matter of time that the real designers will fade out, due to stiff competition from celebrity lines. Just because someone is talented, doesn't mean they will be financially successful.
 
to me celebrity designing is like brand image. the lines are designed to look like them. and brands whohave strong images shoulsell well...like gucci, chanel....blah blah blah. but phillip lim on the other hand...<his clothes make me happy> who although has a brand image and is still making it stronger as the seasons go p[ast, it's typically new york. when you look at a design from someone in milan, you can almost always tell it's from milan. same from london, new york and paris. but still, phillip lim rocks!!!!
 
Even though I see what Diane was saying about price range its insane that she feels it won't affect an up an coming designer. If not by customer base by funding. even though a customer of Lim or Doo Ri would never dream of wear a dress or even a jean by Nicole, JLo, or Posh a financial backer would be more prone to back an already image with no creative push than an idealistic young artist who would take time finding their own design voice. Just think if those standards were desired today we would never have had an Alexander or Galliano. No one wants to invest in beauty the instant sales are the key factor in investments. They don't realize that though the fashion industry can be trends driven it is still ruled by creativity and ideals.
That makes me afraid to pursue design.
 
Personally,
I don't know why Phillip lim is worried...most of the people who buy his clothing or uber-rich, upscale, upwardly mobile, upper classe, upper middle class people.
Those who buy j.lo, sean john, victoria beckham, sarah jessica parker and other designers are mostly middle class. These are the people who could never afford gucci, chanel, phillip lim, donna karen, oscar de la renta and other designers.
 
Celebrity lines are an embarassment. They have no designs. No talent. They don't even do it themselves! They hire someone else to! I understand Jennifer Lopez and Sean Combs started the whole celebrity-lines-trend and I respect them for it, but its just pathetic how every other celebrity copies them.
Diane von Furstenberg is right: talent wins out in the end, so hopefully celebrity lines will dissapear before I find myself screaming everytime I see a Paris Hilton fragrance in a store.
 
i think that's a bit unfair to suggest the rich only buy true designer works. i think anybody who truly loves design,will pass on the poseur celeb lines,and will invest in the pieces of the real designers.
 
These celebrity/designers are merely riding the wave of their fame.. and they have the funds to back up their lines and they won't really suffer much financially if their designs end up on the clearance rack...so I'm supposing their thinking is.. hey, why not take the risk and possibly make a lot more money?

It's not fair.. but no one ever said life is.

Olga
 
i think that's a bit unfair to suggest the rich only buy true designer works. i think anybody who truly loves design,will pass on the poseur celeb lines,and will invest in the pieces of the real designers.


But, only those who can afford it and let's be honest it is usually the rich who can afford a 700 dollar pair of shoe

Do you honestly think that someone who makes like 70,000 a year can afford to buy one pair of christian louboutin shoes, marc jacobs bag, or an oscar de la renta dress?
No...well not someone who is fiscally responsible.
 

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