Discussion: The State of Kering

I just know that if they could go back in time they would’ve never appointed Demna. It was possibly the most distrastous decision ever in fashion history I believe. Not even Wang at Balenciaga, because Wang was hot at the time and Balenciaga was kind of small.
I think about this at least once a day. These seemingly seasoned mammoths of the corporate fashion that have experienced so much within their leadership in their careers appoint Demna as a CD of GUCCI... they wanted the shock factor? they have it now with kering actively collapsing. Im freightened to think that they will keep demna in both balenciaga and gucci...unfortunately expecting that as a consequence they will start firing people soon too. what a disaster.
 
Im freightened to think that they will keep demna in both balenciaga and gucci...

The contract renewal for “an unspecified term” that he signed back in September was only until after his July couture show which makes me wonder if they resolved his promotion to gucci that far back, he would leave the company if he didn’t take gucci, or if they would have made another one right after..
 
The contract renewal for “an unspecified term” that he signed back in September was only until after his July couture show which makes me wonder if they resolved his promotion to gucci that far back, he would leave the company if he didn’t take gucci, or if they would have made another one right after..
good point. what im also wondering why there is the sudden pause in suspicions around other potential candidates for the balenciaga CD role. maybe its going to be the same situation as glenn at margiela and diesel? looks this way so far..
 
good point. what im also wondering why there is the sudden pause in suspicions around other potential candidates for the balenciaga CD role. maybe its going to be the same situation as glenn at margiela and diesel? looks this way so far..

Maybe the search is over already. The headhunters had an easier job thanks to the big chanel opening prepping and parsing through designers already.
 
Again, Bottega Veneta is the only brand performing well in the group.
I wonder when are they going to be concerned by Saint Laurent’s constant decline. A 9% decline…
Are they waiting for a double digit decline to react?
 
Again, Bottega Veneta is the only brand performing well in the group.
I wonder when are they going to be concerned by Saint Laurent’s constant decline. A 9% decline…
Are they waiting for a double digit decline to react?
This has less to do with Anthony (only 7% of their income is RTW), than with their bags, both the positionning, the models, their pricing strategy… which is the CEO field.
 
Again, Bottega Veneta is the only brand performing well in the group.
I wonder when are they going to be concerned by Saint Laurent’s constant decline. A 9% decline…
Are they waiting for a double digit decline to react?
They don't probably don't want to risk another botched CD appointement. Vaccarello is only designer they have that is very well liked by the fashion media. Sabato's tenure was a mess, McGirr's appointement literally started the "white male designer debacle", Trotter was met with mostly apathy and Demna downright crashed their stock to the depths of hell.
 
Finding it difficult to understand how out of all brands BV have +4...crazy
I’m not objective by all means bc I just love men’s bags and leather goods from BV but what I’ve seen while shopping is that people are obsessed with bags and that BV has one of the largest portfolio of models available for clients in Kering group. It’s really hard to get in and not leave without something even tho prices are tad too „brave” for them. Also the leather ages well so people buying into that „investment” sentiment…
 
I’m not objective by all means bc I just love men’s bags and leather goods from BV but what I’ve seen while shopping is that people are obsessed with bags and that BV has one of the largest portfolio of models available for clients in Kering group. It’s really hard to get in and not leave without something even tho prices are tad too „brave” for them. Also the leather ages well so people buying into that „investment” sentiment…
Of course, but with those prices…? In comparison to SL for example? Also surely these +4% don’t come from LG only… what about shoes rtw and accessories? And it depends on the region as well of course so I would be curious to understand in depth where and how they’re performing better than Saint Laurent or Balenciaga ( PR and HR debacles aside)
 
Of course, but with those prices…? In comparison to SL for example? Also surely these +4% don’t come from LG only… what about shoes rtw and accessories? And it depends on the region as well of course so I would be curious to understand in depth where and how they’re performing better than Saint Laurent or Balenciaga ( PR and HR debacles aside)
According to the press release BV overperforms (double-digit growth) in North Africa, Western Europe and Middle-East.
Meaning Asia is not buying it.
But they don’t give further breakdowns by products category.
 
^ I mean I know many people buying RTW but only from Lee / Blazy times. Lots of trompe de l’oeil pieces are expensive and sellable…
 
This has less to do with Anthony (only 7% of their income is RTW), than with their bags, both the positionning, the models, their pricing strategy… which is the CEO field.
They don't probably don't want to risk another botched CD appointement. Vaccarello is only designer they have that is very well liked by the fashion media. Sabato's tenure was a mess, McGirr's appointement literally started the "white male designer debacle", Trotter was met with mostly apathy and Demna downright crashed their stock to the depths of hell.
My point was not about Vaccarello’s position but more about a actions that needs to be made in order to turn things around. Because they have powerful shows and a strong vision and not really desirable products that are by-products of those shows.

And the problem is that if Saint Laurent sales continues to decline, the easy way out for them will be to get rid of Vaccarello unfortunately.
Of course, but with those prices…? In comparison to SL for example? Also surely these +4% don’t come from LG only… what about shoes rtw and accessories? And it depends on the region as well of course so I would be curious to understand in depth where and how they’re performing better than Saint Laurent or Balenciaga ( PR and HR debacles aside)
Bottega Veneta RTW represented 10% of their revenues last year. I mean it’s an ongoing improvement. Under Maier, it never went beyond 5% and there was a constant growth since Lee.
But a 80% bags for a 20% fashion (shoes and clothes) is a healthy ratio for a house.
 
Like if we needed any Additional confirmation that Sabato's Guess like Gucci luce, Gucci Milano and Gucci B bags were rejected by the customers...
Gucci's Sabato downfall will be taught in during MBA as perfect example of poor management, Bellettini Should have kicked Sabato out prior to his first show...no way they could have approved those runway looks
 
AND Gucci will continue to fall because the trust contract with customers is totally lost. Why would a customer go to Gucci now, knowing that the brand will totally change by the end of the year, with products of the catalogue that will be discontinued and a ton stuff that will make it to the outlet?

How many versions of Gucci a customer has experienced in the last decade? 5!

Nobody is going to buy the studio collection. Whereas a brand like Chanel can peacefully market a bag that may possibly be discontinued in 2 years. But it’s Chanel, it’s a name and a reputation that stills holds.

At least, the share’s price is higher than it has been for weeks.
 
At least, the share’s price is higher than it has been for weeks.

Not that much higher and mostly due to general external market fluctuations.
We'll see how the stock really responds to the disappointing Q1 figures tomorrow...and in the next few days.
It's more and more a crisis situation for them, accelerated by a lot of negative external factors.

From the FT.
“The global environment does not weaken our determination to meet our goals, including at Gucci,” said chief financial officer Armelle Poulou on a call with investors on Wednesday, adding that Kering expected another double digit sales decline at Gucci in the second quarter. Analysts have said it will probably take at least a year to revive Gucci, which generates two-thirds of Kering’s profit and half its sales. Poulou said Kering was working on cutting costs in ways that did not further weaken sales. The group closed 25 Gucci stores in the quarter, adding to the 10 it closed in the previous quarter. The 14 per cent drop in Kering’s first quarter sales was more severe than forecasts from analysts at Citibank and Barclays, who had estimated year-on-year falls of 10 per cent and 12 per cent respectively. Kering was forced to issue multiple profit warnings last year. The group’s shares have lost 45 per cent of their value in the past 12 months.

From Vogue Business
Kering’s recovery is lagging behind the rest of the industry. By comparison, LVMH’s fashion and leather goods division dropped 5 per cent in the first quarter.Hermès sales were up 7 per cent. The Moncler brand posted sales up 2 per cent. Valentino sales were down 2 per cent. Prada is to report its numbers on 30 April, Burberry on 14 May and Richemont on 16 May. HSBC expectations are 11.3 per cent for Prada, -7.3 for Burberry and 6.8 per cent for Richemont.

These latest results put even more pressure on Gucci’s incoming creative director, Demna. The former Balenciaga designer’s appointment at the creative helm of Gucci, announced on 13 March, sent the Kering stock down 12 per cent. On the creative transition, group deputy CEO Francesca Bellettini said: “Demna is going to build on what has been done so far. We have been working in the past two years on the foundations of the brand.  We have improved processes, product quality, invested a lot in our icon and our tradition. But you know very well that the success of Gucci comes when tradition is blended with a strong fashion authority. So the work that he is going to do is building on what we have been doing and not throwing everything away and starting from scratch, absolutely not.”

She confirmed that he is going to start officially after the Balenciaga couture show at the beginning of July. “It is an internal move, so of course he’s already talking to Gucci and to the brand. He has already met the team,” she said. Gucci’s cruise show on 15 May will be designed by the studio, not Demna, she added. “Demna is going to build on the vision of the brand, so bringing desirability, fashionability — but it’s a build-up, not a cancellation. So, when are you going to see the first hint of his creative vision for the brand? In September, but in terms of products arriving in the stores, we are working all together to bring novelty.” More newness will be introduced, Bellettini said, as the brand accelerates how quickly it can get products to market. “Therefore you don’t have to wait until 2026 to see some of those products. But also we are not waiting at Gucci to have Demna or not-Demna products. We’re going to have novelties, progressively arriving at the stores and we keep on working also the revamping of our carryovers.”

On Gucci’s creative organisation, Bellettini said: “ What I can share with you is that after the nomination of Demna, I never received so many CVs of creative people and designers who want to join the team.  Of course, whenever a new creative director comes, there is a revisitation of the creative team around him. Demna wants it to be the best team. There is already quite a good team in place at Gucci, all supporting functions of the design, like merchandising or collection coordinator. So no, we don’t expect any disruption, but of course there will be some changes according to the typology and the seniority of the people that Demna wants to bring into the brand.”

But who will replace Demna at Balenciaga? His successor will be announced “in due course”, Bellettini said. “ The person we are searching is a high calibre who can build on what has been already very well done at the brand, continue the success and continue to develop it.”

Looking ahead to the end of the year, Kering is planning on improvements in the second half, though US tariffs and the global trade environment have thrown fashion’s forecasts and planning into uncertainty. “ We were already expecting a slow start to the year, and it has been confirmed. Now we are planning cautiously for Q2, still expecting a double-digit revenue decline. We are still expecting that the second half should be better than the first half,” Poulou said.

So Demna’s supposed to build on the sinking ship Sabato left behind? Good luck with that

Aside from the Demna this, Demna that- now their next problem child is already looming: Saint Laurent.
Which means, essentially, all their brands are in a state of flux in case they replace Vaccarello anytime soon (I think they won't do it this year)
 
It is almost incomprehensible how the group that had the hottest portfolio in 2015 is sinking into a Lanvin-post-Alber type of chaos ten years later.

Having the Hedi comeback to his first house, smelling the success of Vetements and catching that fish quickly...
Where are now the people who took those superintuitive and smart decisions?
 
And the problem is that if Saint Laurent sales continues to decline, the easy way out for them will be to get rid of Vaccarello unfortunately.
He could also just like, you know, make wearable clothes :lol:
 

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