Discussion: The State of Kering

He could also just like, you know, make wearable clothes :lol:
But the clothes are not so much the issue though. Beyond the runway collection, there’s an offer, a range for anybody who subscribe to the aesthetic but wants wearable options.
They needs to make bags as strong as the clothes.
Saint Laurent gives you a great shoe! A killer shoe but no killer bags.

Yes when you make a whole collection out of hosiery, it’s not very exciting to attract customers but when on top of that, the only bag on the show is a giant bag in shearling….People aren’t excited about the bag either.
 
good point. what im also wondering why there is the sudden pause in suspicions around other potential candidates for the balenciaga CD role. maybe its going to be the same situation as glenn at margiela and diesel? looks this way so far..

But who will replace Demna at Balenciaga? His successor will be announced “in due course”, Bellettini said. “ The person we are searching is a high calibre who can build on what has been already very well done at the brand, continue the success and continue to develop it.”
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oh GOD. it means they ARE looking for someone else? key phrase being we are [still] searching, right?. wow. i am ready for this T E A .

According to the press release BV overperforms (double-digit growth) in North Africa, Western Europe and Middle-East.
Meaning Asia is not buying it.
But they don’t give further breakdowns by products category.
would be very curious to learn more about the categories however. interesting that NA is performing better than before
^ I mean I know many people buying RTW but only from Lee / Blazy times. Lots of trompe de l’oeil pieces are expensive and sellable…
i have lots of pieces from Lee's era. very wearable,kooky, unique. there was something for everyone in his designs, his woman ( and his man !) was fun and not pretentious. his woman was the soul of the party, ready to be the center of attention but in a cool way. Blazys take on a BV woman is a size -0 woman who can only stand in his pants / skirts and frankly has to take a loan to afford the garment + primarily survive the excruciating xray of the client advisors the second you enter the store..
 
People are actually buying BV, many friends of mine got the Jodie, it’s fabulous.

Meanwhile bags are the big problem at Saint Laurent. They don’t look and feel good but they’re being priced above their weight. For all the laser focus with the shows they forgot about the bags. I don’t think it’s an Anthony problem either, even if I think his YSL is more art direction than the clothes.

I cannot wait for the day that heads will roll on the executive side at Kering. They’re not as clever as they think they are. The fact that (I know bs) they could say with a straight face that Gucci sinking is a strategic repositioning. Maybe it’s them that should be repositioned from their jobs.
 
But the clothes are not so much the issue though. Beyond the runway collection, there’s an offer, a range for anybody who subscribe to the aesthetic but wants wearable options.
They needs to make bags as strong as the clothes.
Saint Laurent gives you a great shoe! A killer shoe but no killer bags.

Yes when you make a whole collection out of hosiery, it’s not very exciting to attract customers but when on top of that, the only bag on the show is a giant bag in shearling….People aren’t excited about the bag either.
that's the bag genius they send to gucci lol

and AV made YSL shows to much of look without substance of a full wardrobe with strong acc pillars it lives of an image to please ig hype all the hedi and tom ford ideas are milked for his YSL already its a caricature not far from balmain top days
 
Not that much higher and mostly due to general external market fluctuations.
We'll see how the stock really responds to the disappointing Q1 figures tomorrow...and in the next few days.
It's more and more a crisis situation for them, accelerated by a lot of negative external factors.

From the FT.


From Vogue Business


So Demna’s supposed to build on the sinking ship Sabato left behind? Good luck with that

Aside from the Demna this, Demna that- now their next problem child is already looming: Saint Laurent.
Which means, essentially, all their brands are in a state of flux in case they replace Vaccarello anytime soon (I think they won't do it this year)
Bellatini reporting is so childlike basic level i dont get why she talks like a certain president that is so much into self congratulating while his(her) plans so far are not working and just spells chaos .......,

I never received so many CVs of creative people and designers who want to join the team. Like great so happy for you!!!! nice for the gucci staff to read they will be again on the chopping block !!!!!!

you dont hear Chanel talk about all the CV ´s they are getting post Blazy hire!!!

the level of business direction or lack of vision is highschool like

so much more to say and on things i notice but aint got the energie for this circus they deserve every part of the mess they are in.
 
Demna will debut his CSAM-chic vision for Gucci in September:

Kering Reports 14% Sales Drop, Demna to Unveil First Gucci Designs in September
The cash-cow Italian brand, down 24 percent in the three-month period, is awaiting Balenciaga fashion star Demna to rev up creativity.

Updated 2:38 p.m. ET April 23

Gucci’s new creative director Demna is expected to deliver the first “hint” of his vision for the ailing Italian megabrand this September, Kering executive Francesca Bellettini said Wednesday night.

Speaking to analysts after the French luxury group missed low expectations and reported a 14 percent drop in first-quarter revenues to 3.88 billion euros, she also made clear that the Georgian designer, who is moving over from sister brand Balenciaga in early July, will not pursue a scorched-earth policy on existing product lines, despite his past penchant for dystopian aesthetics.

“Demna is going to build on the vision of the brand. He’s going to bring desirability and fashionability, but it’s a build-up, not a cancelation,” said Bellettini, deputy chief executive officer in charge of brand development.

Bellettini and Armelle Poulou, Kering’s chief financial officer, were pummeled with questions about Gucci’s near-term prospects, given that its first-quarter sales dropped 25 percent on a comparable basis, slightly worse than the last three months of the year. (The brand accounted for 63 percent of Kering’s operating profit in 2024.)

While acknowledging that carryover styles were a heavy drag on Gucci’s performance in the quarter, Bellettini touted that its new Emblem, B Bag and Softbit handbag lines were performing in a low-traffic environment “giving us a lot of confidence in the appeal of novelties.”

She said Ophidia and Marmont lines would similarly be tweaked and improved in the near future, and “we are pushing even more on our supply chain to decrease the time to market for novelties. This is going to be the focus.”

In the future, “Demna for sure will be reinterpreting the icons,” Bellettini assured.

Since the designer was announced last month as the successor to Italian designer Sabato De Sarno, analysts had been fretting about the timing of Demna’s first Gucci collection, given that he is only finishing up his Balenciaga tenure in July with a couture collection.

De Sarno exited Gucci last February after a two-year collaboration that failed to ignite sales. His collections were met with mixed reviews and his timeless take on signature pieces did not gain enough traction at retail for a turnaround.

Bellettini skirted a direct question about who would succeed Demna as artistic director at Balenciaga, saying only that it would be announced “in due course,” and that she is searching for a “high caliber” candidate who “can build on what has already been done very well at the brand and continue the success and continue to develop.”

According to market sources, Balenciaga has held discussions with designers including Alaïa’s buzzy creative director Pieter Mulier, and Kim Jones, who recently wound up eventful stints designing Dior menswear and Fendi’s women’s collections.

It is understood Balenciaga’s business is evenly split between men’s and women’s, a rarity among Europe’s large luxury players.

Analysts expressed disappointment by the sales miss of 2 to 3 percentage points.

“We are likely to see further caution applied to Kering’s full-year 2025 earnings estimates given company-specific issues compounded by a challenging luxury sector backdrop,” RBC analyst Piral Dadhania said in a research note.

“This confirms our understanding that the Gucci revival has yet to appear and will likely face a more difficult context as luxury consumer demand softens,” opined Bernstein’s Luca Solca.

Citing an “environment harsher than anyone anticipated,” Poulou said Kering is anticipating another double-digit revenue decline in the second quarter, though the second half of the year should be better than the first.

The numbers trailed the performance of Kering’s larger luxury rivals LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton, which reported a 3 percent dip in first-quarter revenues to 20.31 billion euros, and Hermès International, which bucked the trend and delivered a 7.2 percent improvement to 4.13 billion euros.

Kering reported double-digit declines across all regions in the first quarter of the year, with Asia-Pacific down 25 percent, in line with the last three months of 2024, the company noted.

However, Western Europe and North America fell 13 percent, and Japan 11 percent, representing a sequential deceleration.

First-quarter sales at Bottega Veneta improved 4 percent, reflecting gains “across all product categories,” and Kering Eyewear logged a 3 percent increase at comparable exchange rates. Meanwhile, Saint Laurent sank 9 percent and “other houses,” which includes Balenciaga, McQueen, Pomellato and Brioni, declined 11 percent.

While “the performance of Balenciaga’s leather goods was very solid,” sales were down at McQueen, still finding its footing under designer Seán McGirr, Kering said.

Bellettini noted that despite the low-traffic environment, all brands are improving on average ticket price. However, to fuel first-time purchases, brands are also revamping key leather goods lines for more “aspirational customers,” such as Saint Laurent’s Loulou range, she added.

The group closed a total of 25 stores in the quarter — including 10 at Gucci and a “substantial streamlining” at McQueen — leaving it with a network of 1,788 locations. Retail accounts for 73 percent of group revenues, and these were down 16 percent in the period. Wholesale decreased 9 percent.

“As we had anticipated, Kering faced a difficult start to the year,” François-Henri Pinault, Kering chairman and chief executive officer, said in a statement issued Wednesday after the close of trading on the Paris bourse.

“In this environment, we are fully focused on executing on our action plans to reach our strategic and financial objectives and strengthen the positioning of our houses on all our markets,” Pinault said. “We are increasing our vigilance to weather the macroeconomic headwinds our industry faces, and I am convinced that we will come out stronger from the present situation.”

Poulou told the call she saw no change in sales trends so far in the second quarter.

“The U.S. in [first quarter] was similar to [the fourth quarter]. We don’t see any change in trends, but of course we remain vigilant,” she said. “We remain extremely cautious.”

Asked if Kering would pursue price increases to mitigate the impact of Trump administration tariffs, she said “we need more clarity” before acting and “we must consider consumer confidence in geo-pricing.

“Top-line recovery is our absolute priority,” she stressed.
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Meanwhile bags are the big problem at Saint Laurent. They don’t look and feel good but they’re being priced above their weight. For all the laser focus with the shows they forgot about the bags. I don’t think it’s an Anthony problem either, even if I think his YSL is more art direction than the clothes.

Exactly the Saint Laurent bags look like they are designed for the YSL beauty customer meanwhile the Vacarello shoe and rtw customer goes on to get an alaia or balenciaga bag. I think it is a him problem though because he goes out of his way to not interact with the bags or the Cassandre.
 
Yes guys the main issue with recent YSL by Vaccarello is the huge disjoint and stark constrast between the RTW, shoes, jewelry offering and the bags. On the runway Vaccarello shows this god like unreachable woman Who is Ceo of 5 different multi million companies with 50% EBITDA, wearing hosiery + 8 inches sharp stilettos + cabochobon oversized jewelry, then you enter in the store and you see a diluted version of the ready to wear show and LouLou puffer bags...the woman Vaccarello shows on the runway would not be caught dead wearing a LouLou puffer or a Cassandre tassel clutch! Such woman would get a croc Kelly, an intrecciato Bottega, a the row Margaux, a Balcengiaga Rodeo, not a basic Cassandre logo bag!
These two antithetical entities at YSL are really off putting: you see hosiery collection or those ridicolous oversized suits for spring summer 2025 show, these shows are good for display and everything but there is no bag offering to support the vision of the RTW. Those Cassandre logo bags are for tasteless women Who wanna show off wealth and power and being "trendy" but they can't afford CHANEL 10k timeless classic.
It's Not going to improve until they start slowly pushing something different than Cassandre. Look at Balenciaga with the success of the Rodeo, if a brand Who relies on selling hoodies and 3XL can release a bag that look luxurious and elevated, I think Anthony can too.
 
So Kering stocks are down another 5% today after yesterdays Q1 results.
Still slightly above the absolute lowest point on 9 April.
All in all, the share price is down almost 50% in the past year.
 
Yes guys the main issue with recent YSL by Vaccarello is the huge disjoint and stark constrast between the RTW, shoes, jewelry offering and the bags. On the runway Vaccarello shows this god like unreachable woman Who is Ceo of 5 different multi million companies with 50% EBITDA, wearing hosiery + 8 inches sharp stilettos + cabochobon oversized jewelry, then you enter in the store and you see a diluted version of the ready to wear show and LouLou puffer bags...the woman Vaccarello shows on the runway would not be caught dead wearing a LouLou puffer or a Cassandre tassel clutch! Such woman would get a croc Kelly, an intrecciato Bottega, a the row Margaux, a Balcengiaga Rodeo, not a basic Cassandre logo bag!
These two antithetical entities at YSL are really off putting: you see hosiery collection or those ridicolous oversized suits for spring summer 2025 show, these shows are good for display and everything but there is no bag offering to support the vision of the RTW. Those Cassandre logo bags are for tasteless women Who wanna show off wealth and power and being "trendy" but they can't afford CHANEL 10k timeless classic.
It's Not going to improve until they start slowly pushing something different than Cassandre. Look at Balenciaga with the success of the Rodeo, if a brand Who relies on selling hoodies and 3XL can release a bag that look luxurious and elevated, I think Anthony can too.
I'm genuinely suprised that neither Belletini or Vaccarello thought to copy/make their own version of one of those bags. It would be more convincing than being the budget version of Chanel.
 
so much bullsh*t from bellettini, I don’t know how he fronts shareholder meetings. kering stores are sitting empty rn because they’re trying to be everything to everyone as long as they have money. that’s not working!

I remember when Gucci aces were all the rage. if you didn’t like Michele’s gaudy rtw you could do a u-turn and gtfo the store. Which admittedly I did, but at least there was a semblance of integrity to the product.
 
I think the YSL bags leftover from Hedi’s era are generally fine, even the Sunset I think it is with the Cassandre logo?? I really don’t see the Cassandre logo bags being so looooow class. So what, maybe they can’t afford a Chanel? Maybe they aren’t a prostitute and can’t afford a 2.55! Maybe they aren’t thinking about the logo when they buy a bag… maybe buying a purse is different for some people than others. What do I know. All things considered, my daily purse is from a brand that would make the toes curl of users who think these things are deeper than they are (don’t worry, it’s not a Michael Kors or Kate Space, I do have my standards 🤭), but it fits everything I want it to fit.

I think Vacarello snubbing bags like he’s above it is so pretentious, my god.
 
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Now the Gucci store is more quiet than a spa.
They have weak products, but the whole industry is in decline and has big problems. The golden years of fashion are long gone. Bad decisions were made in the past and it was not foreseen how the market would develop. High fashion is not cool anymore.
 
I think the YSL bags leftover from Hedi’s era are generally fine, even the Sunset I think it is with the Cassandre logo?? I really don’t see the Cassandre logo bags being so looooow class. So what, maybe they can’t afford a Chanel? Maybe they aren’t a prostitute and can’t afford a 2.55! Maybe they aren’t thinking about the logo when they buy a bag… maybe buying a purse is different for some people than others. What do I know. I have use a daily purse from a brand that would make the toes curl of users who think these things are deeper than they are (don’t worry, it’s not a Michael Kors or Kate Space, I do have my standards 🤭)

I think Vacarello snubbing bags like he’s above it is so pretentious, my god.
YSL bags are practical. As you check their dimensions you can see that someone has thought about their function.
 
They have weak products, but the whole industry is in decline and has big problems. The golden years of fashion are long gone. Bad decisions were made in the past and it was not foreseen how the market would develop. High fashion is not cool anymore.
slightly off topic but also thinking about recent fashion school graduates who from what i know, cant find ANY work in fashion.
 
slightly off topic but also thinking about recent fashion school graduates who from what i know, cant find ANY work in fashion.
Fashion schools have been a bit of a scam for the past 15 years, accepting too many students compared to the actual demand. It is also important to remember that graduating from a fashion school does not guarantee that you will get a job, without the right contacts or a penny job at the beginning of your career.
 

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