Discussion: The State of Kering

Fashion schools have been a bit of a scam for the past 15 years, accepting too many students compared to the actual demand. It is also important to remember that graduating from a fashion school does not guarantee that you will get a job, without the right contacts or a penny job at the beginning of your career.
exactly. back in my time it was hard to find a job in fashion let alone now! all 80+ people that are currently enroled in my alma mater, none of them nowadays cant even get an internship. its very scary and sad but at the same time fashion schools nowadays need to slow down and stop sucking money out of people for nothing.
 
This whole thing is so pathetic:
Kering ‘Fully Mobilized’ to Fix Gucci, CEO Tells Shareholders
François-Henri Pinault also shared his disappointment with the company's ailing share price. "We're obviously not satisfied at all, far from it," he said.

By Miles Socha
April 24, 2025, 12:58pm


Shares in Kering dipped 1 percent on Thursday, a day after the French luxury group reported a 14 percent decline in first-quarter revenues, and a 25 percent drop at its star brand Gucci.

Also on Thursday, at Kering’s annual shareholders’ meeting, chairman and chief executive officer François-Henri Pinault flashed a line chart showing how company’s shares have roughly halved in value over the past year.

“It’s a significant drop, and I know how disappointed you are and what it means for you in financial terms. We’re obviously not satisfied at all — far from it,” he said toward the end of a 90-minute presentation by various Kering executives, including Marie-Claire Daveu, chief sustainability and institutional affairs officer.

Pinault allowed that anemic demand for luxury goods and weak consumer sentiment, particularly in Asia, weighed on Kering’s fortunes in 2024.

“But this decline primarily reflects our underperformance, particularly at Gucci, our leading brand,” he said. “And let me tell you that the entire team around me is fully mobilized to ensure that we return to the results we can legitimately claim.

“The international context is of course very turbulent, but that does not scare us. Our top priority is to turn around Gucci in a sustainable and profitable manner, in the interest of all our stakeholders, and first and foremost, you, our shareholders. This is the commitment I make to you today,” he added.

It was his turn to trumpet how much faith he has in Gucci’s new artistic director, Demna, who will pick up the reins at the ailing Italian megabrand in early July, after parading a final couture collection for Balenciaga, which he’s revved up with supersized tailoring, chunky sneakers, logo tracksuits and drop-shoulder hoodies since arriving at the French house in 2015.

“Demna is one of the most influential and talented designers of his generation,” Pinault said, while acknowledging that his appointment was looked on dimly by investors and luxury analysts.

He argued that Gucci’s new chapter under Demna “promises renewed energy, a strong cultural impact, and above all, a reaffirmed authority on fashion. Demna will deploy his creative talent within the framework of the house’s codes.”

Beyond Gucci, he said, “our ambition is clear: to lead the transformations of our brands and reaffirm our position in luxury, while remaining true to what makes us unique.”

During a conference call Wednesday to elaborate on first-quarter results, Francesca Bellettini, Kering’s deputy CEO in charge of brand development, divulged that Demna would give the first “hint” of his vision in September.

Separately on Thursday, a Gucci spokeswoman confirmed to WWD that Gucci by Demna would be unveiled during Milan Fashion Week, scheduled for Sept. 23 to 29, although the format and exact date have yet to be defined.

Bellettini reiterated to shareholders how Gucci is finding green shoots in new handbag ranges including Emblem and Blondie, even as the brand suffers from low traffic and a “heavy drag” from carryover styles. “Capitalizing on novelties” was her main rallying cry, also touting Saint Laurent’s upscale Y bag and refreshed Sac du Jour model.

During a question-and-answer session, shareholders grumbled about everything from the falling share price and feeble dividend of 6 euros versus 14 euros in 2023 to the complicated WiFi login process and historic lack of shareholder gifts. (For the record, each exited with an item from Italian porcelain house Ginori 1735.)

The meeting was also disrupted by shouting PETA activists — one dressed in a snakeskin-print catsuit — demanding Kering stop using exotic skins. They were spirited away by members of the sizable security team at the gathering.

In a research note Thursday, Deutsche Bank lowered Kering’s full-year earnings per share forecast by 13 percent “given the [first quarter] miss and more cautious outlook for [first half] from management.”
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They have weak products, but the whole industry is in decline and has big problems. The golden years of fashion are long gone. Bad decisions were made in the past and it was not foreseen how the market would develop. High fashion is not cool anymore.
THIS! Yes 1000000000%

There is nothing "cool" about fashion anymore. If anything it's become the antithesis of cool to buy into and wear these brands. IMO it's due in part to overexposure (too much of everything, shows, collections, advertising, etc) and partially due to their PR strategy which is basically to dress and invite basically anyone with a big social media following, even if the partnership makes zero sense and those people will be onto the next thing within two seconds. There is zero integrity. When I see a brand that I buy from engage consistently with influencers that are cringey, it starts to change my perception to the point where I stop buying from them. And once the reputation is ruined for me, it's kind of ruined forever. This is not Adidas we are talking about after all, this is expensive clothing, and personally, there is no way I'm going to spend thousands on a jacket that some D list influencer got for free all because they're popular on social media. I'd rather not have it and spend it elsewhere.

Anyway, most of the top players now are just glorified Zara and McDonalds with high prices. There is no exclusivity or desirability in a brand like Gucci or Louis Vuitton, etc. Kering is banking on Demna making Gucci desirable again but they severely underestimate what the perception of Gucci is at the moment.

The industry is indeed finished in a way in terms of these Kering + LVMH brands. The next generation of smaller, but more focused and high integrity brands, is where it's at. I am thinking The Row, Phoebe Philo, Magda Butrym, etc etc.
 
I think the YSL bags leftover from Hedi’s era are generally fine, even the Sunset I think it is with the Cassandre logo?? I really don’t see the Cassandre logo bags being so looooow class. So what, maybe they can’t afford a Chanel? Maybe they aren’t a prostitute and can’t afford a 2.55! Maybe they aren’t thinking about the logo when they buy a bag… maybe buying a purse is different for some people than others. What do I know. All things considered, my daily purse is from a brand that would make the toes curl of users who think these things are deeper than they are (don’t worry, it’s not a Michael Kors or Kate Space, I do have my standards 🤭), but it fits everything I want it to fit.

I think Vacarello snubbing bags like he’s above it is so pretentious, my god.
I don’t think anybody is saying that the Cassandre logo is low class or tacky. The issue is that YSL bags looks like Chanel bags with a Cassandre logo.
YSL bags used to have an identity. They didn’t wait for Hedi or Anthony to have successful accessories.

That’s where the thing of women buying YSL bags because they can’t afford Chanel comes from. And the reality is that there has been a shift over years. The women who bought the Mombasa or the Muse Two and others bought them because they were status symbol of their own. It was about style or being cool, similar to owning a Balenciaga motorcycle bag. Today a lot of YSL are generally women’s first luxury bags but there’s never a collector appeal or a « Montée en gamme ».

And the reality about YSL is that Ok they make practical bags but they also need to make special editions bags that are related to the runway shows.

There are women who collects Puzzle bags, Petite Malle, Baguette and others. And you can make a great everyday bag that can be fun and collectable.
For example, I love Pierre Hardy. When it comes to bags and shoes for everyday, it’s the perfect brand for me. The bags have a signature, are rather anonymous for the mass and are about everyday style. Those bags are more fun than YSL. Even Roger Vivier makes better bags than Saint Laurent.

And yes, Anthony needs to stop being so snob about it. He likes to go back to the archives, then he should take a deep look into it and re-release some of the great bags they have. Even in the menswear department, Saint Laurent used to sell bags a lot. Just re-release the Stefano stuff and make it work!
 
@Lola701 Perhaps, I'm misinterpreting FashionPower's comments specifically about the Cassandre being low class, then...
Ahaha I didn’t even paid attention to that part but among comments and my own sentiment, it’s really that lol.
I mean a lot of Parisienne who buys Chanel bags have a bag with a Cassandre.

Low class is such a dramatic and terrible word…Ouch!
 
Ahaha I didn’t even paid attention to that part but among comments and my own sentiment, it’s really that lol.
I mean a lot of Parisienne who buys Chanel bags have a bag with a Cassandre.

Low class is such a dramatic and terrible word…Ouch!
I mean "dramatic" pretty much suits most of the discourse on tFS by a lot of users, especially in this area and the Designers & Collections area. I know, certain people defend things by saying "bUt FaShIoN iS eLiEtIsT" and all I can think is "... ok and?" It's such a boring and reductive way to discuss fashion. Okay, what IF a YSL bag with a Cassandre logo is something that someone can afford, but not a Chanel bag? Okay, then what? Oh no!! The HORRORS!!! Also, they can't win if they purchase a Chanel bag, because as certain users say... a bag like the 2.55 is ONLY for prostitution whores!! I get it, I get it, on tFS we're all part of the 1% typing things out from our yachts and private jets as we're on our way to Art Basel. We don't have time for the little people. But then the same 1%ers are going to b*tch about the cost of Phoebe's clothes, LOL. Weird, huh? "Fashion is elietist, BUT NOT LIKE THAT" :rolleyes:
 
Who would gaf about these clothes if not because the YSL name tag, ok his runway offerings might be for the 3% - 5% of Saint Laurent customers but his salary is from the sales of those "tacky" bags! And how on earth is YSL bag for low class, like wtf, their prices are higher than Balenciaga, Dolce bags for example and I think Dolce's bags are very nice.
 
To be honest I don't care in the slightest about bags, I am here about the fashion, actual clothes and shoes, so kudos to Anthony for disliking them too. I am more than content with canvas totes from bookstores.
I am just glad bags in general, or even perfume contracts, add income and solidify any business and enable them to grow their RTW offering, but in the end I really dgaf of Kering bottom lines.
YSL is not a legacy leather brand like Hermès, BV, Gucci or Prada, bags were never the focus, it's a fashion brand

By the way this bag @NoInvite included is perfectly fine, and certainly not worse than the one Chanel is pushing so hard right now.
 
YSL is not a legacy leather brand like Hermès, BV, Gucci or Prada, bags were never the focus, it's a fashion brand
Well, then why are they pushing bags super hard then? Focus on actual fashion in the stores, then. My local boutique just has accessories, bags, and shoes on display. Maybe a handful of clothes in the back that are barely noticeable. If you didn't know otherwise, you wouldn't even know that YSL was a real fashion brand with actual clothes. I'm not even sure why shoes are elevated above bags in this case. Shoes can be just as lazy as bags.

I mean, a bag can be actual fashion. I get it, people turn up their noses to bags, but for people that like/user then... they're good. If most women used bookstore tote bags ??? they'd be called fake intellectuals, lazy, etc. on tFS, too. I mean, I use a tote bag AND a purse when necessary. It's like there's this stigma towards bags, but they can be really great and practical when done well. From a legacy leather brand or not.

It's embarrassing to look down on customers for purchasing the items that sustain your business. Get some humility.
 
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This is the perfect example. The bag is always an after thought.
And just forced to be tied to the campaign.



While it is interesting to read your comments about "bags versus clothing" at Saint Laurent, I look at these pictures and what I see is Fashion, with capital f.
So I am not worried at all about the near future of St Laurent.

I find Balenciaga's situation much more delicate.
The aesthetic of the house is totally exhausted and they left it directionless, following a "well thought" plan, to desperately keep Gucci afloat.

Let's see how 2025 ends for Balenciaga, but I am fearing the worst.
 
Well, then why are they pushing bags super hard then? Focus on actual fashion in the stores, then. My local boutique just has accessories, bags, and shoes on display. Maybe a handful of clothes in the back that are barely noticeable. If you didn't know otherwise, you wouldn't even know that YSL was a real fashion brand with actual clothes. I'm not even sure why shoes are elevated above bags in this case. Shoes can be just as lazy as bags.

I mean, a bag can be actual fashion. I get it, people turn up their noses to bags, but for people that like/user then... they're good. If most women used bookstore tote bags ??? they'd be called fake intellectuals, lazy, etc. on tFS, too. I mean, I use a tote bag AND a purse when necessary. It's like there's this stigma towards bags, but they can be really great and practical when done well. From a legacy leather brand or not.

It's embarrassing to look down on customers for purchasing the items that sustain your business. Get some humility.
It's Kering pushing them and I am not affiliated with them and I regret the way they are promoting bags and clothes.
 
It's Kering pushing them and I am not affiliated with them and I regret the way they are promoting bags and clothes.
Yeah, I know you don't work for them. :lol:

(Question: if you don't "get" bags and accuse women who use Chanel 2.55 bags of being prostitutes/sluts/whores/yacht girls on social media (lol, yeah you were one of those commentors, I remember those posts)... what do you expect them to carry their condoms and other prophylactics, etc. in? A tote bag from Shakespeare & Sons? It's only natural that whoreish women carry purses, right?)
 
Yeah, I know you don't work for them. :lol:

(Question: if you don't "get" bags and accuse women who use Chanel 2.55 bags of being prostitutes/sluts/whores/yacht girls on social media (lol, yeah you were one of those commentors, I remember those posts)... what do you expect them to carry their condoms and other prophylactics, etc. in? A tote bag from Shakespeare & Sons? It's only natural that whoreish women carry purses, right?)
Why would I accuse ? I am no prosecutor, I was not "accusing" ALL women with 2.55 or mini Birkins to be rental yachtgirls, it's just that those bags ARE factually the preferred bags of choice of those IG-obsessed rental yachtgirls. Many others agreed, I remember those posts too.
And good for those women too I suppose, if they consent and are making banks.

I get people need bags to carry things and, more importantly, for social status. What I don't get is the obsession with them, when the success of a fashion collection is assessed not on the number of clothes sold or the influence it has, but on the number of bags it helps to sell.

I regret that bags always get the 1st floor and the ready-to-wear is relegated upstairs, and do think it's really a major mistake of those mega-conglomerates.
 
I love how all of the models are serving c*nty butch, then there's just the bag lying there like a soggy condom.
much better than lvmh influencers shoving their precious bags in onlookers faces like some auctioneer or some prada models embracing them like pets. 😆 can‘t take one more kpop brand ambassador.
 
To be honest I don't care in the slightest about bags, I am here about the fashion, actual clothes and shoes, so kudos to Anthony for disliking them too. I am more than content with canvas totes from bookstores.
I am just glad bags in general, or even perfume contracts, add income and solidify any business and enable them to grow their RTW offering, but in the end I really dgaf of Kering bottom lines.
YSL is not a legacy leather brand like Hermès, BV, Gucci or Prada, bags were never the focus, it's a fashion brand

By the way this bag @NoInvite included is perfectly fine, and certainly not worse than the one Chanel is pushing so hard right now.
Carine Roitfeld also hated carrying bags
 

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