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travolta said:
anyways i always feel like my music taste is a couple years behind for some reason. latryx is good because i think it sounds old school...but i also like some electronic/ hip hop stuff as well..mostly because they both are rooted in good beats and melodies. and the roots are amazing--things fall apart with always be up there. i think latryx is out of cali...i don't know about the scene out there expect that stone throw records is from there right?

Yeah, it's hard to keep abreast of everything that comes out.. I'm super indebted to friends who keep tossing records my way. There's nothing proprietary about our record collections.. sigh. yes, that's right. we're record sluts. :blush: ;) Seriously though.. I really recommend everything posted up there. It seems like there's a lot of crossover b/w TokyoVogue, travolta and myself.... so I'll give a listen to most anything you guys call out. ^^

As for the old school sound.. Yeah. I'm really partial to lyricists. I like the word twisters and poets, really. Good beats and melody can go a long way, but I like the sort of line that can bulldoze me in my tracks. ...and yes, the Roots have a way of doing that. The tipping point was just awful, but things fall apart is another classic.. ^^

As for Cali's hip hop scene.. I'm ensconed in Baltimore for university, so I'm no scenester.. but damn, do I like to crow my home state's accomplishments.. they're none too shabby in this respect. Stones Throw is based out of LA, but provide a happy home for Quasimoto, Madvillain, Madlib, and Peanut Butter Wolf.. among others. :heart:
 
lady grey said:
the 2 cd limited edition of lil jon's crunk juice is a must.
the 2nd remix cd is Tha BOMB!!

also just ordered Lil Flip's 'houston we have a problem' 2 cd mixtape...
his 45 'sunshine' with Lia was 1 of the top anthems of summer 2004,
getting high on the beach to that & 'lean back.'

Crunk Juice is a dope album...but Lil Flip is f*ckin garbage, and as for Lean Back...well 50 sums it up "That fat n*gga thought 'Lean Back' was 'In Da Club,' my sh*t sold 11 mill his was a dud"

the new Common album "Be" is a classic...Kanye stepped his game up and continues to surprise me just when I'm starting to doubt him.

oh and speaking of 50, "The Massacre" died out fast for me, it had NO replay value even though I still bump the hard songs and the song w/ Jamie Foxx. But overall The Documentary > The Massacre as far as this year's Aftermath releases go.

and I'm repeating myself, but I MUST stress once again, if you think current hip hop sucks GO LISTEN TO THE NEW COMMON ALBUM.
 
^ Summer festivals have the kookiest lineups. ;p It was the Unlimited Sunshine tour --- Flaming Lips, Modest Mouse, De La Soul and Cake (doh). It was the first tour FL did for Yoshimi, i think... anyways, it was pretty spectacular. FL wore their full body animal suits and everything.
 
dirty dirty

Fade to Black said:
Crunk Juice is a dope album...but Lil Flip is f*ckin garbage, and as for Lean Back...well 50 sums it up "That fat n*gga thought 'Lean Back' was 'In Da Club,' my sh*t sold 11 mill his was a dud"

I beg to differ. the lil flip houston mixtape is superb & features fine cameos from luda & twista among others. and his 'sunshine' was one of the best singles of 2004, I do not mind a pop-rap crossover although the "n*gg*s" as you say might call it a sell out.
do you prefer TI to flip?

also you seem to take every word from 50's mouth as gospel, he is by no means a spokesman or role model for me, and i hope, not for too many others.
I find 'lean back' to be superior to any 50 or g Unit track ive ever heard. the production by scott storch can stand with any dre production this century although I admit dre's work on 2 eminem hits, 'the real slim shady' and 'without me' are absolutely genius productions & do top lean back.



"what about peace? peace"
 
lady grey said:
Fade to Black said:
Crunk Juice is a dope album...but Lil Flip is f*ckin garbage, and as for Lean Back...well 50 sums it up "That fat n*gga thought 'Lean Back' was 'In Da Club,' my sh*t sold 11 mill his was a dud"

I beg to differ. the lil flip houston mixtape is superb & features fine cameos from luda & twista among others. and his 'sunshine' was one of the best singles of 2004, I do not mind a pop-rap crossover although the "n*gg*s" as you say might call it a sell out.
do you prefer TI to flip?

also you seem to take every word from 50's mouth as gospel, he is by no means a spokesman or role model for me, and i hope, not for too many others.
I find 'lean back' to be superior to any 50 or g Unit track ive ever heard. the production by scott storch can stand with any dre production this century although I admit dre's work on 2 eminem hits, 'the real slim shady' and 'without me' are absolutely genius productions & do top lean back.



"what about peace? peace"

Wow I disagree with pretty much everything said in this post. I don't prefer TI to Flip, I hate them both equally.

And aside from 50's comment on Lean Back, that song never grabbed me back when I was hearin it last summer at parties, and it just shows how hard Fat Joe is trying to reach 50-level of popularity and failing miserably.

the "pop" songs from the G-Unit camp that easily trump any of Fat Joe's commercial attempts in recent years:

In Da Club
21 Questions
Wanksta
P.I.M.P
I Wanna Get to Know You (this is greatness...a true diamond in the rough from the trash album known as Beg 4 Mercy)
I'm So Fly
Shorty Wanna Ride
Just a Lil Bit

i'll even take "Karma" over Lean Back...and i disliked that song heavily.

and that's barely scratching the surface...not even going into the non-single album tracks/mixtape classics like Order of Protection, Follow Me Gangsta, Do It Like Me, G'd Up, Heat, Ryder Music, Gunz Come Out, Back Down, Live By the Gun, Many Men, U Not Like Me, I could literally go on for days.

50 isn't a good lyricist at all, but his ability to craft a song, his charisma, and his knack for creating the perfect hook is unmatched in the game right now.

Also the Eminem tracks you mentioned that were done by Dre are bad examples. Most (a good 95%) of the tracks Dre has given Em have been trash...the only one that stands out in my mind is "Remember Me"
 
Pimp ? Me??

as always music like any artform will engender subjective responses so i dont mind a divergent view.
I know few of the 50 tracks you name but i will eventually get around to checking out a mixtape or 2 of his. I do love the hip hop I listen to but its not my fave genre by any means, im really a house/dance music lover & also listen to a lot of pop / rock from 60s- present incl many 'alternative' bands.
[listening to IVY now, a continental pop band from NYC].

the 1 50 i do know is PIMP which I find lyrically offensive [i may post the lyrics in my 'hip hop message' thread] and musically i dont think theres much there.
I think the tracks that dre crafted on 'the real slim shady' and 'without me' are just incredible, using technology to create unique hooks that obviously spoke to a 100 million people, those are 2 of the most famous rap songs ever.
[a decade+ ago on 'nuthin but a g thang' his use pf PFunk grooves was spectacular, with an old synth sound].
'without me' has a club/techno groove that I had hoped more rappers would explore - dre really got the elastic tech-house rhythm right, others have not-- but I have heard little hip hop that has the vibe of real dance club music as opposed to hip hop party/club music. a song like the jungle bros 'ill house you' is fairly pathertic although admittedly its an historical classic.
while i enjoy certain lil jon hits the message is usually violent & aggressive.
also I think his 'lean back' remix might jon's best track ever, what do u think about that one??
 
not sure if I heard Jon's lean back remix, i did hear a remix with Eminem on it which was decent.

50 is definitely not the guy to go to for inspirational/uplifting and positive messages though, so if you found PIMP offensive I'm not sure how well you might receive some of the harder songs like the ones on mixtapes, which are a LOT more violent and misogynistic in content (i posted the lyrics to Order of Protection in the song lyric thread a while ago). The reason I look up to him is mainly for his businessman side, he knows how to work the labels and radio in order to become the most successful rapper in the industry today, and he knows how to sell and package himself to Middle America. I admire him because he's managed to go from being the most hated man in the industry and left out in the cold to where he is today. But luck and the Em and Dre endorsement probably played a big part of that too. As for the music I find it enjoyable because it's kind of escapist and the beats bang, as long as the listeners don't take it too seriously and mistake his exaggerated depiction of the rapper lifestyle for reality it's fine, and it shouldn't be influencing society that badly. I do worry about people who really buy into his rhymes though...

Dr. Dre is IMO the greatest and most important/influential music producer of my generation, he is to today's youth what Phil Spector and Quincy Jones were to their respective eras. However I think the beats he gives Eminem (like 'Without Me' or any of the first singles off his albums) aren't displaying his talents to the maximum, they seem to be catering to the TRL crowd more. I guess you could say they're not the kind of hip-hop beats that the real heads check for from Dre, but the techno/house groove infused in those beats is an interesting idea that I never caught hearing those beats. He does manage to reinvent himself with each passing decade, and I think "Still Dre," "Xxplosive" (this one is basically the blueprint for early Kanye drums) and "Higher" are the three best beats of the past ten years.
 
great review for nelly, fat joe & TI at garden

the crunk juice deluxe package has jons lean back remix incl em, mase & others & its great, one of best songs of 2004.

nelly & fat joe played the garden this weekend & aquilante's very favourable review follows. the songs I know by nelly & fat joe I like very much. i think the idea of "the n*gg*s" rejecting both for being POP/sellout is silly. both are excellent rappers with a great ear for musical hooks. they are both a credit to the rap game & to my knowledge have less criminal involvement than other rappers who have been in jail.


""April 18, 2005 -- EVEN though Nelly was still in mourning for his sister, who suc cumbed to leukemia two weeks ago, he put on a happy face and crafted one of the best rap shows to ever play the Garden.


Where most rap concerts cut production corners and come off as amateurish events, Nelly's 31/2-hour show (that also had Fat Joe and T.I. on the bill) was slick, with good staging and top-shelf sound and video. Everyone from the lighting tech to the artists took the performance seriously.

Nelly and company kept the concert moving. Between acts there was never down-time, so the event never lost momentum and the sold-out house didn't get restless.

This was the kind of performance that thrust Nelly into the vanguard of hip-pop and, in turn, pushed rap even closer to the front of American music.

How much closer?

At Friday's show, Nelly boasted, "I'm the first rap artist who made the top 10 country charts." He didn't accomplish that when he was conjugating "Country Grammar" back in 2000, but rather on his recent duet with Nashville icon Tim McGraw on "Over and Over." While the famous twanger didn't make it to the Garden to lend Nelly a hand Friday, the tune was still a highlight.

That one and other material from last fall's "Sweat" and "Suit" albums were the heart of the program, but where the St. Louis rapper found the most love from the house was when he did material from "Country Grammar" and "Nellyville."

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Nelly's ode to sneakers, "Air Force Ones," opened the show powerfully and immediately got the fans out of their seats dancing, but it was his mega-hit "Hot in Herre," an unabashed request for nakedness, where he tucked the house into his vest pocket. Noticeably absent in the set was his controversial number "Pimp Juice."

Nelly's music is mostly about girls and the party that life can be. He knows that has been his strength in cracking pop and his weakness on the streets — he isn't a c*ck-the-Glock thug.

T.I., who opened the show with material from his "Urban Legend" disc, was the night's tough guy. His delivery was forceful yet smooth and had the kind of sonic clarity that said he wanted all his words understood.

Lil' Jon made a curious cameo during T.I.'s set. He tried to join in on the fast-patter pieces, but was only able to participate when the chorus turned to simple chant lines like "Stand up."

Hometown rapper Fat Joe, who had the middle slot on the bill, got a huge response when he worked his radio hit "Lean Back." Joe is a fine performer and carried his weight at this concert with his unique staccato style, his New York attitude and his big-bone stage grace. But, Joe, buy a belt or suspenders. It's way too distracting having to watch you hitch up your britches 10 times a song. ""

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/42891.htm
 
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Fade to Black said:
the new Common album "Be" is a classic

"It's been a long time coming, but you know what they say, Kanye, slow motion better than no motion..." - Food

Finally devoted my sunny walk home to listening to Be, and it really is just lovely. I was a little worried about Kanye's production overpowering Common's style, but it all measures up nicely with even my favorite common tracks. Be's Faithful vs. Like water for chocolate's The 6th Sense? I still prefer 6th, but at least there's a comparison to be made. ^^

Corners, f. Kanye and Last Poets? God, I feel like I've heard this single everywhere recently, and deservedly so.. The hook is dreamy. Glad smone threw the Last Poets - This Is Madness album at me previously as well. Do add that to the jumbo list of recommendations. <g>
 
czilla said:
"It's been a long time coming, but you know what they say, Kanye, slow motion better than no motion..." - Food

Finally devoted my sunny walk home to listening to Be, and it really is just lovely. I was a little worried about Kanye's production overpowering Common's style, but it all measures up nicely with even my favorite common tracks. Be's Faithful vs. Like water for chocolate's The 6th Sense? I still prefer 6th, but at least there's a comparison to be made. ^^

Corners, f. Kanye and Last Poets? God, I feel like I've heard this single everywhere recently, and deservedly so.. The hook is dreamy. Glad smone threw the Last Poets - This Is Madness album at me previously as well. Do add that to the jumbo list of recommendations. <g>

Faithful is probably my favorite song on the album, i love that vocal sample and the thing John Legend and Bilal do at the end is just beautiful. Real People is also brilliant, that beat sounds like a leftover from Resurrection.

LWFC is still my personal favorite Common album though. Resurrection is a better album but LWFC holds the #1 spot due to sentimental value, I spent all of the summer of 2000 listening to "The Light."
 
MVRemix: Do you have any last words for your fans that are going to be reading this?

Common: God Bless. God is good. And thank you for supporting Good Music and I appreciate this moment.

from an interview with Common about Be :D
 
I swear, my last common post for the night <g>

from Faithful, just to lasso the rest of you...

(Common)
I was rollin’ around in my mind it occurred, what if God was a her
Would I treat her the same, would I still be runnin’ game on her
And what type of ways would I want her
Would I want her for her mind or her heavenly body
Couldn’t be out gettin’ bogus with someone so godly
If I was wit her would I still be wantin’ be ex
The lies, the greed, the weed, the sex
Wouldn’t be ashamed to give her part of my check
Wearin’ a cross, I mean the heart on my neck
Her I would reflect, on the streets of the Chi
Ride wit her, cuz I know for me she’d die
Through good and bad, call on her like I’m chirpin’ her
Couldn’t be jealous cuz other brothers worship her
Walk this earth for her, Glory I’m grateful to be in the presence I try to stay faithful

-- God, what a premise. So clever, so well done. :woot: Here are the rest of the lyrics to the album.
 
seems like there's a lot of crossover b/w TokyoVogue, travolta and myself.... so I'll give a listen to most anything you guys call out. ^^

yeah i think so. ^_^ but you guys are probably more informed than me.

What else is going on in London?

well, i can only speak for the people i was around..outside of hip hop there was a lot of drum n bass, scissor sisters type music..and they were interested in ninja tunes, warp..big into dj stuff..you know clubs. have you heard of the cinematic orchestra? it isn't really hip hop..it's jazzy.

some other groups to mention..cold cuts..kid koala..blockhead also lootpack "da antitode" ...and non hip hop..a guy named dosh out of minneapolis he does melodic electronic stuff.

Im also digging cLOUDEAD and the beatnigs right now too

i just listened to them for the first time recently..i really dug it.
 
Where are all the hip-hop heads at?!

Anyway, seeing that no one posted here for a good 8 months.

Some Hip-Hop albums that have been on heavy rotation lately:

The Roots - Home Grown! The Beginner's Guide To... Vol.1 & 2
Black Star - Black Star
Common - Resurrection
Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
Handsome Boy Modelling School - White People + So... How's Your Girl
Kanye - College Dropout
Lovage - Music to Make Love to Your Old Lady By
Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
Prefuse 73 - Vocal Studies & Uprock Narratives
Lyrics Born - Same !!!! Different Day
Immortal Technique - Revolutionary 2
Danger Doom - The Mouse and The Mask
Madvillian - Madvilliany
Daedelus - Exquisite Corpse
Nas - I am...
Dre - The Chronic & 2001
Robust - Potholes In Our Molecules

As for Japanese Hip Hop ^_^ I've always been addicted to M-Flo's Beat Space Nine and somewhat less to Teriyaki Boyz.

- Cheers
 
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I still have a soft spot for Busta Rhymes, Mos Def and Common. Busta' s new stuff is good but not as good as his previous albums. I really miss Q-Tip though..where has he gone??? :(
 
I love Dr.Dre's The Chronic. Amazing.
My favorites: The Neptunes, N.E.R.D.!, Mos Def, Ludacris.
A French rapper... a guilty pleasure: Doc Gyneco!
Another French rap artist whose music's quite laughable but enjoyable at times Diam's.
 
I realised I love hip-hop.. :wub:
not fan of any of the bands mentioned so far though :ninja: .. is anyone here familiar with Sole?, or the Anticon label in general?. :unsure:
 
I realised I love hip-hop.. :wub:
not fan of any of the bands mentioned so far though :ninja: .. is anyone here familiar with Sole?, or the Anticon label in general?. :unsure:

LOL, I realize this thread is super old, but I'm a huge fan of Anticon. I love Dosh, Sole, Dose One, Restiform Bodies, Why?, Themselves, Jel, 13 & God, and Telephone Jim Jesus.

I also love Sage Francis, Busdriver, Daedalus, Qwel, Aesop Rock, El-P, RJD2, Del, Aceyalone, Handsome Boy Modeling School, DJ Shadow, Radioinactive, Illogic, Blockhead, Blueprint, old-school Tribe, Dr. Octagon, and Wu-Tang. :D
 
Timbaland & LL Cool J

Has anyone ever heard of a remix of Timbaland's "The Way I Are", with LL Cool J, Lumidee, and Fatman Scoop?? :innocent:
 

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