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May 12, 2005
Fashion Refigured

By ERIC WILSON


THERE are worse fashion dilemmas than the one confronting Heidi Pollert, 30, a marketing executive in Houston, who can afford suits from Prada and MaxMara but must spend a small fortune on alterations because her bust is too big for the cut of most designer clothes.

"I like well-fitted clothing with straight lines, a real classic look," said Ms. Pollert, who works for a wealth management company and tends to dress more conservatively than one might expect of a woman who has had breast implants that increased her cup size to 34F. "I'm bigger around the top, but I'm small everywhere else," she said. "So I have to have everything tailored, especially jackets."

Such is life for shoppers who have faced the double-edge scalpel of plastic surgery, which has allowed hundreds of thousands of American women to have the cleavage they deem ideal, though they no longer fit the svelte silhouette dictated by many fashion houses.

In regions where breast augmentation is most popular, like Southern California, Texas and Florida, the wave of implants is skewing the selection of designer clothes sold at some stores, favoring sizes and styles more ample on top and creating a new market for alterations.

With many plastic surgeons saying that Los Angeles is the country's implant capital, the Beverly Hills branch of Neiman Marcus sells more dresses in Size 12 than any other, while Sizes 8 and 10 are the most popular for designer evening wear at other Neiman branches, said a buyer for the chain, who linked the phenomenon to customers who had surgically increased their busts.

The buyer, who did not want to be named because of a company policy forbidding unauthorized conversations with the news media, also noted that a growing number of shoppers at the Neiman flagship store in Dallas, who have had implants, liposuction and lifts or tucks, have abandoned the traditional mother-of-the-bride look. Instead they prefer sexier designers like Versace, Dolce & Gabbana and Roberto Cavalli.

Brian Bolke, the owner of a boutique in Dallas called 4510 for its address on McKinney Avenue, said, "For women who love fashion, breast enlargements and designer dresses do not go together." He estimated more than half his customers have had cosmetic surgery.

"These women have great bodies, but they are not the bodies that designer clothes are made for," he added. "There is a ton of adjustments going on, because this area is not known for small chests. Either women are having dresses completely butchered, or we're selling them separates with a top and a skirt in different sizes."

The high-fashion industry is struggling to catch up to the new plastic silhouette. After the popularity of implants dipped in the early 1990's, following the general withdrawal of silicone implants for health concerns, procedures have risen steadily.

Surgery for breast enlargement (including breast lifts) has grown by 257 percent since 1997, reaching 432,403 patients last year, according to the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery. Saline implants, filled with salt water, have largely replaced silicone in the United States. Last month a committee of medical experts advised the Food and Drug Administration to allow the return of silicone, which was never conclusively linked to health problems. The federal agency has not yet decided whether to follow that advice.

In total surgeons have performed about of 1.3 million augmentations in the last decade (including repeat customers), not enough to have a broad impact on the American clothing market in a population of 149 million women. But the implant trend has affected the styles sold in designer boutiques in certain cities and regions where surgeries are most popular. For example a woman who was a standard Size 6 before surgery - a 34.5-inch bust, 26-inch waist and 36.5-inch hips - and whose implants increase her bust by two cup sizes, would need a Size 10 dress. But because she remains slim through the waist and hips, the dress would have to be altered.

After breast augmentation many women say they fill out sweaters and swimwear better, and they get a lot of positive attention, but other clothes no longer look right. "I gave up my wardrobe to show off my breasts," said Tara Fierstatt, a national merchandiser for Buffalo Jeans in New York, who had implants in 2000 and now fits a C cup. "Your options are so much better, but it's funny: I used to wear button-down shirts, and now they don't fit. I might have to go up a size on the top if it's too tight around the chest, but then it does not fit in the shoulders or the arms." Instead she wears tight-fitting sweaters and more daring designs from Juicy Couture and D&G.

A few retailers are catering to the trend. In 2003 Rachel Clements opened La Mode, a lingerie store in the River Oaks neighborhood of Houston, which stocks merchandise specifically for women who have had implants and other cosmetic operations. Her wares include compression garments for those who have had liposuction and bras with no underwires for augmentation patients. The store carries underwear from La Perla, Chantelle and Aubade, brands that produce larger cup sizes in more stylish, and costly, designs.

Houston is "second to Los Angeles in augmentations, and we see a lot of alterations," Ms. Clements said. "You've got great designers like Proenza Schouler who are doing beautiful bustiers, but they don't always fit. They are designed for models who are A cups, and that's not where the customers are."

Ms. Clements works with a tailor to customize suits and other clothing for these shoppers, altering 15 to 20 pieces a week from houses like Chanel and Yves Saint Laurent. "Until it starts to affect their business, the designers just aren't going to listen," she said.

Customer demands for more figure-flattering clothing from designers have had an impact in the last decade. Once there was a near constant request for dresses with sleeves to accommodate women who wanted to conceal the effects of age. Today there is a call for more halter tops and strapless gowns, said Frederick Anderson, the business partner of Douglas Hannant, a designer based in New York. "When we talk about age-appropriate clothing, the equation has changed dramatically," he said. "But you can't design a collection around a customer with a large chest, because it throws the proportion off. It's not realistic. When someone is a size D cup and a 2 waist, it's really a challenge."

Typically a designer will revisit and adjust a line's sizing every three to four years, the designer Carmen Marc Valvo said. "You look at your customer profile and see what's working and what isn't," he said. "I always thought I had cut for a womanly figure, but we noticed we had to increase our bust size."

That was about five years ago, Mr. Valvo said. He attributed the change to implants he noticed when taking custom orders at trunk shows and also from requests from retailers.

Plastic surgeons say that the most popular choice in breast size among augmentation patients is a C cup, although it is not uncommon for a patient to return for bigger implants. Sam Saboura, a fashion stylist who appears regularly on the television series "Extreme Makeover," said that after working with women who have had implants, he suggests that "anything bigger than a C cup is a bit too much." In a book to be published in June, "Sam Saboura's Real Style: Style Secrets for Real Women With Real Bodies," he writes that choosing the right clothing can be as effective a makeover as plastic surgery.

Dr. James H. Wells, a former president of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons and the chairman of its breast implant task force, has led a campaign among the society's members to encourage women to consider more natural-looking implants, meaning smaller sizes.

Few women seem to have been persuaded, Dr. Wells said. But he has not yet tried telling them they would be out of fashion.
 
stylegurrl said:
In regions where breast augmentation is most popular, like Southern California, Texas and Florida, the wave of implants is skewing the selection of designer clothes sold at some stores, favoring sizes and styles more ample on top and creating a new market for alterations.

With many plastic surgeons saying that Los Angeles is the country's implant capital, the Beverly Hills branch of Neiman Marcus sells more dresses in Size 12 than any other, while Sizes 8 and 10 are the most popular for designer evening wear at other Neiman branches, said a buyer for the chain, who linked the phenomenon to customers who had surgically increased their busts.

interesting stuff...
a designer friend who sells to neiman marcus has been telling me about this...
the whole pattern of the dress has to be readjusted because these women do not have 'natural' bodies...

:rolleyes: :doh:
 
Hmm ... totally fascinating. Anything more than a C is a bit much ... I'm going to have to have a chat with Mother Nature then ... she knows how I feel about "a bit much" ... :wink:

Thanks for bringing this in--I have very often wondered what women with implants were doing, and why they would do something that made shopping such a challenge. So true about sweaters.
 
fashionista-ta said:
Thanks for bringing this in--I have very often wondered what women with implants were doing, and why they would do something that made shopping such a challenge. So true about sweaters.

Agreed. I can sympathize with the women who are naturally busty (the fit of clothes can be the least of their worries -- many have bad back pain as well). But this lady did this to herself. I agree that anything more than C cup implants is too big. 34F just sounds ridiculously extreme to me. Twig bodies + massive gazongas is one trend we can do without.
 
stylegurrl said:
May 12, 2005
I used to wear button-down shirts, and now they don't fit. I might have to go up a size on the top if it's too tight around the chest, but then it does not fit in the shoulders or the arms." Instead she wears tight-fitting sweaters and more daring designs from Juicy Couture and D&G.
How telling is this!? :lol:

I mean come on, if anyone ever needed some objective proof about whether implants and overly-large breasts are in fact tacky, well here is your proof! These women... :ninja:
 
arpege said:
How telling is this!? :lol:

I mean come on, if anyone ever needed some objective proof about whether implants and overly-large breasts are in fact tacky, well here is your proof! These women... :ninja:

I think the phrase you're looking for is "can be tacky." Somehow I manage to get dressed each and every morning without the assistance of either Juicy or D&G. Queen Latifah, for example, carries herself with great grace and I would never call her tacky. I would like to see you do it though :lol:
 
That is why I phrased it as "overly-large," not meaning every woman... Mainly the ones who choose to have a cup size of 34F!!!! :shock:
 
fashionista-ta said:
I think the phrase you're looking for is "can be tacky." Somehow I manage to get dressed each and every morning without the assistance of either Juicy or D&G. Queen Latifah, for example, carries herself with great grace and I would never call her tacky. I would like to see you do it though :lol:

But Queen Latifah is proportional. She's busty, but she has proportional hips and an overall Amazonian build. She's a bigger lady, and has a good eye for what clothes suit her figure. She's always dressed pretty sharp, even before she got really famous, so I would not say a stylist is behind it--she just likes clothes and knows how to make good fashion choices.

I have sympathy for women who are naturally very busty--I've done work for several woman who have very average builds from the waist down, but large busts and shoulders, and I do alterations and custom work so that they can wear coveted office-wear like button blouses and blazers without "gap-itis."
 
Although I'm not a huge supporter of breast implants and when getting a 34F you're just asking for trouble, this change makes me really happy, I hope that I start to see some results in stores. I naturally have a really large chest (36D) and wide shoulders on a smaller frame, and finding jackets and button-down shirts (ESPECIALLY button-down shirts) is nearly impossible! It would make my life so much easier if stores started being just a little more generous in their clothing's bustlines.
 
pietonne said:
Although I'm not a huge supporter of breast implants and when getting a 34F you're just asking for trouble, this change makes me really happy, I hope that I start to see some results in stores. I naturally have a really large chest (36D) and wide shoulders on a smaller frame, and finding jackets and button-down shirts (ESPECIALLY button-down shirts) is nearly impossible! It would make my life so much easier if stores started being just a little more generous in their clothing's bustlines.

Could *not* agree with you more--I'm really hoping to see some change for the better too. I can find jackets, but shirts that button ... forget it. When I found a corset-style blouse that buttoned down the front and actually fit me like it was made for me a couple months ago, it was all I could do not to holler :woot: I then bought it in two colors, and would've bought more if they'd looked good on me.

Have you ever tried Shoshanna?
 
oh geez. 34F?!?!?! i have a 32C and i have problems fitting bottom up shirts sometimes! i can't even imagine how this woman functions with those boobies.
 
Although I know fashion is made for smaller chested women, there are still times when those of us on that end of the spectrum have trouble filling things out up top. I can't tell you how many time I have tried on dresses that fit perfectly from the waist on down, but were rather loose in the bust, armholes and shoulders.

There is a line called Rebecca & Drew that sells office-appropriate buttondowns sized according to bra size. They've gotten quite a bit of press in the last few months, in Lucky and InStyle as well as The New York Times, I believe.
 
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HBoogie said:
Although I know fashion is made for smaller chested women, there are still times when those of us on that end of the spectrum have trouble filling things out up top. I can't tell you how many time I have tried on dresses that fit perfectly from the waist on down, but were rather loose in the bust, armholes and shoulders.

^same for me too


I read an article like this awhile ago and it mentioned Versace as a good brand for women with fake breast. It said that one of the differences between women with fake breast and real, large ones is that fake breasts aren't able to be contorted to be able to fit into things like real breasts can. They aren't able to change their shape where as real ones can be pushed, flattened, and moved around to fit into things like bustiers. This all becomes more difficult depending on the difference between the implant size and the natural size.
 
laurlaur said:
^same for me too


I read an article like this awhile ago and it mentioned Versace as a good brand for women with fake breast. It said that one of the differences between women with fake breast and real, large ones is that fake breasts aren't able to be contorted to be able to fit into things like real breasts can. They aren't able to change their shape where as real ones can be pushed, flattened, and moved around to fit into things like bustiers. This all becomes more difficult depending on the difference between the implant size and the natural size.

Why do I believe that :P Versace :sick:
 

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