yeah, you right, see the thing it's that actually i don't follow her career that much, so i have always related her with karl... but you are probably right, she's established enough. Actaully I think Heidi is as well, it's just that she's less famous. Anyway, I don't think Karl belongs that much to this list... the only aspect I would consider to put him on this list would be Baptiste. Baptiste would never have happened in fashion without Karl's help. Now he's an icon according to models.com (which i disagree), but you can't deny Karl has beenvery important in his career.... so maybe only for that event, but Karl never has had such an exclusive and huge impact on the career of any other model imo.