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Givenchy F/W 12.13 Paris

As the season draws toward the time for solidifying conclusions around best collections, trends, direction of vibe, wardrobe wishlists or ideas for creativity; I'd like to pose a couple of quick questions stepping off from Givenchy..

This is the most overtly sexual season since...when?

When sex becomes a ubiquitous 'ground', is it in fact something other/opposite/outside - elegance perhaps - that becomes the true differentiator?

We can 'see' this second question more sharply if we compare and contrast this season's Givenchy with this season's Jil Sander. Both are sexy collections but their differences might contain the very question - how do we want our sex?

With Raf? - with a sense of elegance, deportment, grace, class, beauty, love even? Or is that overly romantic, unreal, dishonest even?

Or with Riccardo? A more senses tingling, dangerous, exciting, downright dirty, even, affair? A sense of a darker fantasy, libidinous, sex as pure pleasure and entertainment?

Of course, with the wearer or viewer and through that prism of ''taste'', the answer is somewhat socio-culturally differentiated. And with a ''choice'' based proviso that each may wish to play with each side of the sartorial equation at different times dependent on occasion and mood.

But there's also a structural differentiation. It is the case that at showtime fashion writers, Sarah Mower might stand as an exemplar, do tend toward a more puritanical view of femininity. Come the time of visual interpretation - ads and particularly editorials - art directors, editors, photographers and stylists, let's posit Olivier Zahm and Terry Richardson as exemplars, simply do tend to give vent to a more libidinous fantasy, something harder, edgier and more undressed.

In part it's the influence of Bourdin on Tisci this season which draws me to this line of thinking. Whilst I don't see Givenchy AW12/13 as a particularly 'editorial' collection, nevertheless I can see that my own current preference for the Jil Sander woman may well be, at least in part, determined by these structural differences and how we're perhaps all led to see with a different eye at showtime.

Come editorial, come the September issues, come the season being played out, worn, lived, translated down the commercial Cerulean effect foodchain, does a darker, more raw, more down and dirty sensibility come flooding back in? And if presently, as most of us do, we find this Givenchy collection unpalettable perhaps that's a lot to do with structural aspects (about who is present saying what when). And, once the fashion system plays out and turns to visualisation, perhaps we experience something of a shift in our own sensibility and eye in consequence?

So two juxtaposed visions of 'sex' but our preference for one over the other may, to an extent at least, be influenced by the structural conventions written into the system as between writing (at showtime) and visualising (subsequently). It simply is the case that Bourdin and Newton still stand as the strongest influences on contemporary fashion photography. Tisci's intent, at least, seems to be to have written that into what he offered on the runway.
 
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I'm so beyond disappointed, I don't even know where to begin. Every single pair of pants looked horrendous and ill-fitting. The last few dresses were practically hanging off the girls. Everything just looks so CHEAP.
 
I'm so beyond disappointed, I don't even know where to begin. Every single pair of pants looked horrendous and ill-fitting. The last few dresses were practically hanging off the girls. Everything just looks so CHEAP.

100% agree. MAJOR fail from Riccardo :cry::cry::cry:
 
This is a great example of better to present a collection of twenty-five looks that are excellently designed and executed, than a collection of fifty looks of which twenty-five looks are excellently designed and executed and the other twenty-five are mediocre to crappy. The great looks in this collection are so amazing they made my gut clench, and I am not a Tisci-Givenchy fangirl, but sadly the emotional impact of the amazing looks started to dissipate when the lesser looks were presented. Most of those camisole tops were an abomination because of the way they fit, specifically they were too low-slung and the visual was that of 1970s Playboy and Penthouse covers. There were too many ideas in this collection and the result was a muddled, undisciplined mess. Tisci has done this before when he has made a transition and I would not be surprised if (and hope) he fixes his mistakes and refines things in an upcoming collection like the cruise and / or pre-fall collections.

Loved the hair and make up, some of my favorite beauty styling from a recent Givenchy collection. :heart: the gloves! I liked the handbags and am mixed on the boots, the boots are hit and miss head on, but I do like the side views.
 
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That's one big ****ty collection. There might be some good points but the general mess of it prevents me from even trying to analyze it. Ricardo should get his feet back on earth and stop loosing himself in all the hype around him. His work was so inspiring when he was still "unknown"...
 
Tisci has an editing problem. As the house is getting more and more popular with the masses, I'm getting more bored and annoyed.
 
This looks like an even tackier version of the Gucci Equestrian collection from a few years ago. The pants, the boots, everything YUCK
 
They were soft and feminine with their lace-appliquéd, camisolelike tops and filmy pleated skirts, yet brash in their colorways, such as gold rococo embroidery on a bejeweled purple dress cinched with a bright red belt.

Whose idea was it, that's what I'd like to know. Looks more than awful.

Generally it's rather hit & miss for me. While the seven opening looks in black looked really promising, it all went sort of down later.

I'm so happy to see the boots back, though, he does these like no one else :heart:
 
What a mess this is...From a clean, directional Spring show to this muddled vision of a warrior woman is a shame
 
Shockingly bad, like something i might expect to see in New York, from some super bold new comer! Needed heavy editing, better styling, and please some of those dresses are...wow bad!
 
Really, really not liking this at all. As others have said, the first half dozen or so looks that were posted held some promise, but it quickly became too much and, frankly, kind of ugly. Compared to last season especially, which was so clear and concise and cool and effortless, this comes off as quite clumsy and overloaded with ideas, references and details.

This is definitely not Tisci's best work.

The first word that came out of my mouth when I saw this.
 
We could tell it was going to be bad with the monstrosity that was Pre-Fall, which was just recycled trash!
 
I have kind of mixed feelings about this collection. On the firtst side, I hate, really hate the leather items (pants are just :yuk:) but on the other side, those silky items are pretty fancy. And have to say, that maybe I'm one of few, but the boots seem nice to me- only the plain black and plain beige ones. Don't like the dresses
 

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