Hayden Panettiere Tries to Save the Dolphins

[titania]

i care about the dolphins but this is not just about the dolphins; what about the whales? i think this is a question of extinction. these animals are not being 'farmed' like cattle, sheep, chicken and whathaveyou; those fisherman do not own those dolphins or whales and they're not breeding them to replace the numbers they kill. eventually, they'll kill off all dolphins and whales. and then they'll move on to industrialising some other animal/s.

i think it's a bit sad that she's really made an effort to make a difference in the world and there are people out there who think she's just going through sort sort of phase. i truly applaud her, isabel and everyone else involved in the protest for taking action. even though it was a morbid scene to be in, i wish i could've been there to support the cause.

i'll end with this comment from isabel:

“The worst part is that whales are probably all dead by now. We couldn’t save these whales but hopefully shining the light on their deaths will save others.”

savethewhalesagain

 

[misssakura]

It's hard not to be cynical though, because a lot of people think dolphins are better than other animals they consume which quite frankly, is really hypocritical. Yes, it's good that they make an effort but how long until she picks another cause and gives up on the dolphins. Probably not long.

 

[Uchina]

If you're going to eat animals at all, don't be hypocritical about it. This sort of thing reveals so much cultural bias.

 

[SiennaInLondon]

^Exactly.

 

[Zen]

We should all take the time to educate ourselves in other cultures before just popping in to do whatever one feels like..... But I know, those Dolphins are sure cute! Nothing lives forever! Eventually the Dolphins will die, just like so many other species...and those other species weren't even touched by humans.

 

[SweetFantasy]

I cried.

 

[TheGlassAngel]

So did I

 

[SweetFantasy]

This is just so sad.

 

[jennifer~]

This sort of thing reveals so much cultural bias.

Yes, that's pretty true.

 

[eternitygoddess]

Aren't dolphins suppose to be smarter than monkeys?

 

[Harumi]

Because tuna are not as human-like as dolphins.

Does that mean you are only compassionate to species which remind you of your own? How amoral...

Well, exactly. Dolphins are pretty smart, by most accounts, and one can imagine they suffer a much higher degree of mental anguish because of this. That's pretty much the idea, anyway. Not that tuna fish don't suffer physical anguish, but well, we assume they don't suffer the same degree of mental distress.

Pain is pain. You don't need to be smart to experience pain. Any creature able to experience sensations and basic emotions will experience suffering.
Mental anguish? What do you mean? Like psychosis, scarring? That's assuming those animals have a psychic life comparable to that of humans, which we have no proof of. We don't even know if Dolphins are self-conscious (or is the word self-aware?).

If you're going to eat animals at all, don't be hypocritical about it. This sort of thing reveals so much cultural bias.

Absolutely. If you any kind of animal, you have no right to lecture other people about their diet, unless the prey in question is an endangered species.
Pigs, dogs, dolphins, tuna, bats, beef: there is absolutely no difference, imo.
A lot of people in Occident are outraged that dogs and cats are eaten in Asia but have no problem with pork living in filthy conditions and ending their lives in ham slides. Well, as it happens, pigs rank among the smartest and most sensitive domesticated animals. They also are very clean, when given the opportunity. Sadly, they are not as cute as dolphin, not as gifted as to dog when it comes to display affection, and not as elegant and useful as horses, so nobody gives a damn.
Try to fricassee a [SIZE=-1]Chihuahua[/SIZE] (daft, useless animal if there is one) and watch what will be coming your way, yet I hear no mention of the 'mental anguish' of the comparatively much smarter sheep.

^ Returning to a hunter/gatherer lifestyle is impossible for most people today.

I disagree. Well with the advances of agriculture and science, we are now able, for the first time in human history, to have a perfectly healthy diet that doesn't include meat of any kind. We can get all or vitamins. proteins, fats and other stuff from fruits, nuts, vegetables, leaves and artificial complements.
So theoretically, it would be possible to come back to this lifestyle, expect it would be restricted to very few.

 

[jennifer~]

^ Yes, that is actually what I meant, psychological trauma. That the underlying assumption seems to be thus, that those of their behaviors which compare with humans' enable people to symphathize more readily, and impose human qualities as well. Of course there's not proof... It's just a common perspective, not necessarily one I defend.

 

[kathleen9804]

We should all take the time to educate ourselves in other cultures before just popping in to do whatever one feels like..... But I know, those Dolphins are sure cute! Nothing lives forever! Eventually the Dolphins will die, just like so many other species...and those other species weren't even touched by humans.

Nothing lives forever???

Wow you have the answers huh... we might as well just quit living and all kill ourselves now.

 

[Deleted member 49693]

Pretty easy to not eat meat, if you feel bad for the animals then that's a valid feeling that shouldn't be thrown away imo.

I'm going to start

If you're going to eat animals at all, don't be hypocritical about it. This sort of thing reveals so much cultural bias.

True, but that doesn't make it right. I don't like how some people are making an excuse of this by calling other people hypocrites because we eat meat.

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Eventually the dolphins will die? Duh...but not in such a cruel way.

 

[misssakura]

Enjoy the ride!

 

[Deleted member 49693]

^ Thank you

Veggies are alot healthier anyway, but what do I eat to replace meat (protein)?

 

[lollicandy]

Because tuna are not as human-like as dolphins.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Ask if anyone would hurt a dolphin, most likely answer is No! They're cute!

To be quite honest, people feel a certain affinity for dolphins because we've anthropomorphized them for quite some time; Flipper? Seaquest? Seaworld? Swimming w/them at a hotel? Helping us in the navy?

They do have amazing cognitive abilties, and I recognize that. Tuna don't.

Of course this doesn't mean animals don't feel pain because they do, and I don't go around asking to munch on a dolphin steak.

This video made me feel awful, because I love dolphins. I once saw a group of wild dolphins in the Philippines and they were so lively and cute. I am very surprised at Hayden.

People do eat weird stuff though. You have to accept that. You cannot impose your own culture's norms on another. There are plenty of other cultures that think what we eat is wrong and sacreligious or just plain weird.

I dont think anyone who hunts dolphins wants to return to a hunter gatherer lifestyle. I'm pretty sure they'd love to live out their days in luxury. There's obviously a demand for this; whether it be meat or to deter loss of catch. Edit: I think the original poster meant more of eating 'fresh' or local.

Also people don't like farmed fish because more often than not they have higher levels of heavy metals/pollutants and aren't as healthy as wild fish.
There's also definitely a different 'taste' and quality in the meat itself.

I agree this is revealing some crazy biases, Uchina. I've seen lots of anti-Asian remarks elsewhere on other sites, about how 'gross' and 'mean' they are. I think everyone would probably benefit from an anthro course on rights and cultural norms.

 

[kathleen9804]

I was very surprised by Hayden as well, I thought she was just another Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan. A lot of them say they support something, show up to an event, wave and smile, but they never really DO anything.

And what got me is she really seemed sincerely distraught about the whole thing. I am so happy she raised the awareness of this, I have been protesting it for YEARS and in one day she has gotten so much attention.

 

[kathleen9804]

^ Thank you

Veggies are alot healthier anyway, but what do I eat to replace meat (protein)?

I have been a vegetarian for over 4 years and I have no problem with protein. I eat a lot of beans, chilli, burritos, tofu, soy products, veggies, brown rice, whole wheat, oats, and Morningstar products.

I still enjoy pretty much everything I ate as a meateater including "chicken nuggets", BLTs (with fake bacon, very real tasting), veggie burgers, etc.

 

[Deleted member 49693]

^ Thank you. So excited to start as a veggie!