Heels for Men

Deliot said:
Ajott
I have the same problem - I take UK size 8 / EUR 41, but have very thin calves - the shaft of all knee-length boots is too wide for me, even when tucking in the jeans. Do you just not buy knee-lengths or do you have them adjusted? I'd be interested to know.
Hello Deliot,

I just don't buy them, because I haven't found a good cobbler yet and I guess it would be difficult to adjust them when the problem starts at the ankle. Even ankle boots are often too wide. So I always look for lace-ups (but only REAL lace-ups, often the lacing is only an ornament with no purpose and can't be used to get them tight). The boots I mentioned above may look a bit plain and boring, but they are fun to wear because they fit like a glove: no slipping, no blisters (still it is a challenge to walk longer distances in them...)
 
Rick Owens seems to be making some progress in the right direction:

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*pic from Style.com, mens section, Autumn 06/07*
 
Here's a pic of an outfit with the ankle boots mentioned above (The red dot is the light of my optical mouse. I had to use it to trigger the cam).
 

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While at first I find this concept a little bizarre, for a non-trans male, (for a trans male, is there even a point to the discussion - of course he would wear heels) I don't know if I can't get over that. There are a lot of clothing items only females (or female-identified males) usually wear, but for many of them, there doesn't seem to me to be a clear reason to have it that way.

Now here is my thoughts for male-identified males. If you are the lone wolf sporting high heels and your pants aren't concealing what you're up to, be prepared for people to find it jarring and to question your gender identification and sexuality. BUT, if you are in the right context, (goth club, catwalk), you can probably look daring and cutting edge to the people around you. As well, it IS the kind of thing I could see becoming a SMALL trend at some point for guys...maybe in the next 10 years. When this happens, there will be less and less eyebrows raised and "lemon sucking" expressions on people who notice. It could get to a point where it is a generally accepted look for males to sport (hey, it's okay already to have heels on cowboy boots, so we're getting there), and I think that would be just great.

But, I have to go another step, because of the outfit posted above. When I look at that outfit I think of my trans friend (male to female). I have a hard time seeing a male-identified male wearing shoes like that. Stilletos will probably never become mainstream for guys. It really better suits the smaller, daintier, and more curvy feminine body type. Males are simply built in a more stocky, angular, linear kind of way, and "chunky" heels undoubtably are much more appropriate to flatter this body type. When you wear stilletos (and the pointy toe seems to bring this out even more), you seem to be saying "I don't like my male build, I want a female build", because the shoes you are wearing are not flattering to a male build.

So there you go. I feel stilletos are like lipstick. I think men can look wonderful in eye makeup, nailpolish, and probably several other cosmetics, but I draw the line at lipstick - Men, you are not supposed to have the full pout that we women do, and if you're not trans, I wouldn't sport any other lips than "au natural" or perhaps a clear gloss. Chunky heels on a chunky shoe? Yeah, I think you can look hot and manly in them. Stilletos? I'm sorry, it will just scream "trans" and I will be wondering how much you have saved up for the surgery.

Just one opinion, but I would like to think I'm rather open-minded.
 
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Ok I thought a bit about that last night. The reasoning with overstressed bodily differences between male and female is just ridiculous.
To show you why, read the following:

I've just come to the conclusion, that high-heels and pointed toes are FOR MEN ONLY, because

1. Men are taller than women. So tallness is a typical male feature. If men wear high-heels then they stress this feature and so it is advantageous for them. But for women it is disadvantageous because they are smaller and so with heel wearing they are acting against their typical petiteness. So no more Manolos or Louboutins for you, girls. Maybe some kitten heels...

2. Men have larger feet than women. So large feet are a typical male feature. If men wear shoes with very pointed toes, they stress this feature to their advantage. Women have smaller feet, and with shoes like that they get longer, manly feet which is not good for their typical female look. So no more pointies for you, only very short round or squared toes.

Very convincing reasoning, eh?

At least as convincing as the above reasoning against stilettos for men...
 
And when I look in the mirror, naked or with tight fitting clothes, I can't see the typical "stocky, angular, linear kind of way" men are supposed to be built. No, I see curves! Yes, there are no larger breasts, the pelvis isn't that wide, but still I have a curve in the waistline, the muscles on the legs and arms have curvy shapes and my longer hair softens everything, too.
So I think these fine shoes fit in perfectly.

But maybe not in the typical, current picture of a male.
 
ajott said:
And when I look in the mirror, naked or with tight fitting clothes, I can't see the typical "stocky, angular, linear kind of way" men are supposed to be built. No, I see curves! Yes, there are no larger breasts, the pelvis isn't that wide, but still I have a curve in the waistline, the muscles on the legs and arms have curvy shapes and my longer hair softens everything, too.
So I think these fine shoes fit in perfectly.

But maybe not in the typical, current picture of a male.
You're right - you look absolutely trans already.
 
ajott, it was not my intention to pick on you. I was only sharing my opinion about the issue, and I just using your posted photo as an example of how I felt about the issue. I apologize if you felt under attack, I was not trying to say something like "ajott is trans, I know this for a fact". You are the expert on that, I can't make judgements on what you feel.

I am also not going to get in an argument with you (or anyone else). I posted how I felt about the issue, and now I would like to apologize for singling you out (it would have been better if I used an example who was not a member here -- that was insensitive of me), and I am done. Perhaps, be glad that whatever anyone else thinks, you are free to wear whatever shoes you wish.

As for my opinions about the overall issue, they are unchanged and I do not apologize for them, because that's how I really feel. As with every opinion that is different from your own, you can choose to recognize it, or choose to ignore it.
 
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Yasmin,

there's no need to apologize. I liked to hear your honest thoughts and opinions. If I didn't want to hear them I wouldn't have posted my pictures here...
I didn't feel picked on, only compelled to react with some counter-argument ^_^

Emery,

so how do you look? Like a "real man"?
 
what a bizarre thread...

.. i'm convinced that this will give me nightmares for the rest of the week... :ninja:
 
Talk about bizarre .... it looks like there are lots of commercially sponsored links hidden in here.

I wonder, is the contributor more interested in getting their links on this board than contributing to discussion?


Xa
 
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This is what I wore to work on Friday...

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These are the boots with jeans (the jeans I lifted up so you can see the heel for the photo - but they genuinely sit very well)...

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And these are the boots in their entirety...here.

I've worn this outfit a few times to work now with no problems. I like it. :)

Yasmin - don't be afraid to give your opinion, it is as much valid as mine, ajott's or anybody elses. You don't have to like men in stillettos, everybody has their preferences in fashion. Thank you for being open minded and accepting. It makes a refreshing change from all the "ewwws" etc.

IMO, men in heels does work - you just need the right shoe, the right person, the right outfit and the right state of mind to pull it off.
 
These are the boots that I wore today.
 

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There seems to be a solid majority of folks here (myself included) who agree that stilettos are at odds with a Guy Image. But there are a number of attractive alternatives available. For the fashionisto with really deep pockets, John Galliano showed some great ones on the Dior F/W 06 runway. (Pictures from style.com)
 

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yasmin, i totally agree with you and i also think of myself as extremely open-minded. i have no choice as i work with extreme high end fashion and deal with people from the fashion industry on a daily basis but this topic is just simply not attractive whether it is a high street shoe or a galliano boot...
 
The ones heel-d are wearing are very realistic and don't look 'effiminate' as some guys are afraid of looking when they wear heels.
 
Didn't have to work today so wore these all day and evening.
 

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