Helmut Lang Selvage Denim?

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Helmut Lang's fit and style are good, but
I also like selvage Japanese denim of the highest quality.

Is there any Helmut Lang jeans that uses this kind of denim?

I know there are brands like 45rpm, Dior Homme, 5EP, Nudie.
What about Helmut Lang?
 
Geowu said:
Helmut Lang's fit and style are good, but
I also like selvage Japanese denim of the highest quality.

Is there any Helmut Lang jeans that uses this kind of denim?

I know there are brands like 45rpm, Dior Homme, 5EP, Nudie.
What about Helmut Lang?

Helmut Lang made some Selvedge denim a few years back but I'm not sure if they still make. I didn't see any when I was at the Paris store in December but I know some retail outlets do carry over HL jeans for a few seasons without discount.
 
:cry:

Any other very decent brand with similar fit, selvage is there?


How does Dior Homme compare to Helmut L in fit and confort and quality?
And APC? I've heard good things about it too, don't know about the fit and confort.

I was thinking Helmut Lang has the best confort and fit (a little slim),
can you tell me another brand with the most confort within the selvage range?
 
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Hi!

I think that you'll find that the fit and style of Dior Homme is quite different from Lang. While there are numerous makes/styles in each brand, Dior Homme tends to be lower-waisted with a slimmer fit and more pronounced, interesting details. For example, Dior often uses pronounced whiskering, scratched details on the knee, the rear signature "darts" sewn in, etc. As such, Dior homme jeans tend to be more expensive.

If you are interested in selvedge denim, however, then you should definitely be checking out some of the various Japanese brands. Though the jeans are quite expensive (about on par with Dior), the quality of manufacture and the type of denim is unmatched. I would recommend 45 rpm (which you mentioned in your opening post) and Evisu. Both use selvedge denim and very old looms for their cotton and natural indigo dyes, which almost nobody does these days (it isn't time/cost effective). In fact, the Japanese looms are of such quality that, until recently, many Dior Homme jeans were made in Japan.

As for APC, I think that the style might be interesting, but they are in a different league than Dior, Lang, 45 rpm, and Evisu. As such, I think that you'd notice a difference in the quality and workmanship... and price.

Hope it helps!
 
you can also try Levis Vintage but the cuts tend to be quite big.

imo, HL makes the best jeans, great fabric and cutting although I'm not too fond of those over-designed ones from last season.
 
i know that there are plans for a re-launch of helmut lang's denim...don't know what will happen now that he's left though...:unsure:
 
I love HL jeans. Not so overpriced, either.
 
Evisu is not quality anymore, unfortuantely.
I always thought the overt branding looking stupid though :lol:
 
As You Like It said:
What exactly is "selvage denim" if I might ask?

It just means that it's woven on a different, older type of loom than regular denim. Selvage denim is generally considered to be of higher quality...dunno why though.
 
raijin said:
Evisu is not quality anymore, unfortuantely.
I always thought the overt branding looking stupid though :lol:
Yes, I think Evisu is horrendous.
 
yes alex... not just the quality but its just ugly looking cuts. and the signature painted symbol on the back is just bleh
 
As for APC, it uses selvage denim right? Is it Japanese and is it good? Does the fabric shine?
 
AlexN said:
Yes, I think Evisu is horrendous.

There IS a great deal of difference between Evisu- made and designed in Italy , and Evisu - made and designed in Japan .
 
There IS a great deal of difference between Evisu- made and designed in Italy , and Evisu - made and designed in Japan .
Could this be another Girbaud? :rolleyes:
 
As You Like It said:
What exactly is "selvage denim" if I might ask?

Evisu has spent the last 10 years developing their jeans to be as authentic as today's vintage jeans can be. All Evisu jeans are made of vintage selvedge denim. This means that the denim is made on old style shuttle looms rather than modern projectile looms. In simple terms this means that the cross thread in the weaving process goes back and forth during the weaving process. But modern looms, shoot each cross thread through individually, hence the edge of the cloth is frayed rather than clean (although brands who are only interested in making quick money, try to cash in by faking the smooth selvedge by stitching up the frayed edge afterwards). No shuttle looms have be made for over 40 years as they can only make cloth about 30 inches wide whereas projectile looms can make fabric 60 inches or even wider for much less money. All the looms that make Evisu denim are practically antiques and about as reliable as a 50 year old car. Because the fabric made on these looms is so narrow we need approximately 3 yards to make each pair of jeans. To maximise the usage, the traditional method was to have a straight outside seam and cut right up to the selvedge so that when you turn the jean up you see the two selvedge edges of the denim stitched together. You can also see it on the inside of the coin pocket.Also, all of our denim is indigo dyed by loop dying machines. Again, these are rare and ancient machines which basically feed a rope of cotton yarn through vats of indigo dye and then back out and up to the roof of the factory to allow the indigo to oxidise before the 'rope' goes back down into the next vat. Evisu denim has a minimum of 16 dips and some styles have 30 dips, hence the deep blue colour.We use 100cotton threads which are more authentic but break more easily during the sewing process. We reproduce the original production techniques at every stage. This means using a large number of specialist sewing machines which have not been produced for many years. For example, we chain stitch the hem which gives the thick stitch line visible around the hem when you turn the jean up. This requires a special machine which again has not been produced for 40 years. Wherever possible we try to use Union Special machines which were the Rolls Royce of sewing machines in the US in the fifties. Many of our styles then have the logo hand painted on.As a result of all this and a host of other details relating to every raw material and process our jeans cost many times the price of normal jeans to produce. From what I understand other jeans companies make much larger profit margins than we do.All this obviously leads to the next question: why do we bother? In simple terms it is the result of the Japanese fascination with details and because everybody associated with Evisu from Mr. Yamane (the Japanese owner of Evisu) down are denim 'maniacs'. This is Yamane's term by which he means something like having obsessive, almost trainspottery love for denim. Denim produced on shuttle looms is naturally irregular and these irregularities come out as the jeans fade, making every pair develop into a unique and beautiful pattern as it fades. The deep blue colour and the way the jeans fade can only be achieved by using the loop dying system and all the other details give the jeans a combination of authenticity and the knowledge that you have something that is a labour of love that no other jeans or probably any other item of clothing, in the world can give you.We understand that for many people these things are not important but for those who appreciate this level of craftsmanship, we believe Evisu jeans are worth every penny.

Any help , AYLI ? B)
 
kit said:
Evisu has spent the last 10 years developing their jeans to be as authentic as today's vintage jeans can be. All Evisu jeans are made of vintage selvedge denim. This means that the denim is made on old style shuttle looms rather than modern projectile looms. In simple terms this means that the cross thread in the weaving process goes back and forth during the weaving process. But modern looms, shoot each cross thread through individually, hence the edge of the cloth is frayed rather than clean (although brands who are only interested in making quick money, try to cash in by faking the smooth selvedge by stitching up the frayed edge afterwards). No shuttle looms have be made for over 40 years as they can only make cloth about 30 inches wide whereas projectile looms can make fabric 60 inches or even wider for much less money. All the looms that make Evisu denim are practically antiques and about as reliable as a 50 year old car. Because the fabric made on these looms is so narrow we need approximately 3 yards to make each pair of jeans. To maximise the usage, the traditional method was to have a straight outside seam and cut right up to the selvedge so that when you turn the jean up you see the two selvedge edges of the denim stitched together. You can also see it on the inside of the coin pocket.Also, all of our denim is indigo dyed by loop dying machines. Again, these are rare and ancient machines which basically feed a rope of cotton yarn through vats of indigo dye and then back out and up to the roof of the factory to allow the indigo to oxidise before the 'rope' goes back down into the next vat. Evisu denim has a minimum of 16 dips and some styles have 30 dips, hence the deep blue colour.We use 100cotton threads which are more authentic but break more easily during the sewing process. We reproduce the original production techniques at every stage. This means using a large number of specialist sewing machines which have not been produced for many years. For example, we chain stitch the hem which gives the thick stitch line visible around the hem when you turn the jean up. This requires a special machine which again has not been produced for 40 years. Wherever possible we try to use Union Special machines which were the Rolls Royce of sewing machines in the US in the fifties. Many of our styles then have the logo hand painted on.As a result of all this and a host of other details relating to every raw material and process our jeans cost many times the price of normal jeans to produce. From what I understand other jeans companies make much larger profit margins than we do.All this obviously leads to the next question: why do we bother? In simple terms it is the result of the Japanese fascination with details and because everybody associated with Evisu from Mr. Yamane (the Japanese owner of Evisu) down are denim 'maniacs'. This is Yamane's term by which he means something like having obsessive, almost trainspottery love for denim. Denim produced on shuttle looms is naturally irregular and these irregularities come out as the jeans fade, making every pair develop into a unique and beautiful pattern as it fades. The deep blue colour and the way the jeans fade can only be achieved by using the loop dying system and all the other details give the jeans a combination of authenticity and the knowledge that you have something that is a labour of love that no other jeans or probably any other item of clothing, in the world can give you.We understand that for many people these things are not important but for those who appreciate this level of craftsmanship, we believe Evisu jeans are worth every penny.

Any help , AYLI ? B)


:shock: You are the man, kit! :smartass:
 
I'm wearing APC right now, I think their "cure" model fits very similar to DH, I'm actually wearing them alot more than DH simply because I'm breaking them in for a couple months. They are not made in Japan, but for a 120 dollars they are 95% DH jeans. You can get them via www.apc.fr If you have any specific questions about APC just ask
 

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