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That GQ cover is pretty awful I must admit.

:pI can't wait to see Joan on a Cover shot by Mert & Marcus.;)
I'm sure the results would be amazing.^_^
 
^Campaigns are the JACKPOT at the end of all the fabulous editorials and covers. Plus she has a long-term beauty contract and the support of pretty much everyone who matters. Joan is untouchable at the moment, black girl or not.

Untouchable? Tell that to Saskia.
 
While Joan walked for minor brands on the SS 2008 season. Karlie walked exclusively for Calvin Klein and Gucci.

While Joan dont get any blue chips campaign for the SS08 Season, Karlie gets Nina Ricci and Pringle of Scotland.

While Joan was a stranger for the Fall/Winter 2008, Spring/Summer 2009, Fall/Winter 2009 and Spring/Summer 2010 season in terms of runway, covers, etc. Karlie gets the best campaigns, the major covers, opened and closed the most prestigious shows...

It is the reality... Karlie has also much fame that Joan, even in Latin America.

Come on, you're going to say that Jean Paul Gaultier is not a huge/great campaign? :unsure: Or Donna Karan? Or Elie Saab? You can not imagine how much money is gaining Karlie being the face of brands like Juicy Couture or Neiman Marcus. :p

But the campaigns are not as important as it had for years. Now any model, even newcomer may be the face of the most prestigious brands of Paris. :doh:

Karlie not need blue chips campaigns to stay on the crest of the wave. :flower: Joan... yes. Because Karlie is more that a top model. :D

And Karlie had a contract with Dior, who finished the spring/summer 2012 season. Anyway definitely a contract with VS is much more valuable than a beauty contract. ;) Also Joan, Saskia and Arizona are not from the same litter that Karlie. KK is a star since 2008, and she has never lowered its level of work. :flower:
 
While Joan walked for minor brands on the SS 2008 season. Karlie walked exclusively for Calvin Klein and Gucci.

While Joan dont get any blue chips campaign for the SS08 Season, Karlie gets Nina Ricci and Pringle of Scotland.

While Joan was a stranger for the Fall/Winter 2008, Spring/Summer 2009, Fall/Winter 2009 and Spring/Summer 2010 season in terms of runway, covers, etc. Karlie gets the best campaigns, the major covers, opened and closed the most prestigious shows...

It is the reality... Karlie has also much fame that Joan, even in Latin America.

Come on, you're going to say that Jean Paul Gaultier is not a huge/great campaign? :unsure: Or Donna Karan? Or Elie Saab? You can not imagine how much money is gaining Karlie being the face of brands like Juicy Couture or Neiman Marcus. :p

But the campaigns are not as important as it had for years. Now any model, even newcomer may be the face of the most prestigious brands of Paris. :doh:

Karlie not need blue chips campaigns to stay on the crest of the wave. :flower: Joan... yes. Because Karlie is more that a top model. :D

And Karlie had a contract with Dior, who finished the spring/summer 2012 season. Anyway definitely a contract with VS is much more valuable than a beauty contract. ;) Also Joan, Saskia and Arizona are not from the same litter that Karlie. KK is a star since 2008, and she has never lowered its level of work. :flower:

You're really bring up work from 2008? :rolleyes: That is so ridiculous. Plenty of top models started out as catalogue girls, even Linda Evangelista. There are so many models, particularly ethnic ones, who happen to get type casted into catalogue & commercial jobs. Joan's old agency did a poor job at managing her. Is that Joan's fault? I think not. She was smart enough to make the switch to IMG in 2010, & they have done wonders for her career, kinda like they are currently doing for Karlie :innocent:. Unlike Elite, IMG saw Joan's true potential, so please stop bringing up old work from her days at Elite. All models start out on different paths. It took Karmen several years to finally bag A-list campaigns, Saskia didn't make it until she was 29 years old, Arizona was a catalogue girl when she started, etc. The point is that all of these girls are very successful, regardless of their humble beginnings.

And everyone is overplaying Karlie's so-called "fame." :rolleyes: For a girl who is a VS angel, she only has 30,000 more twitter followers than Joan, which in the grand scheme of things is not that much of a difference, considering that Joan has over 142,000 followers. She's gotten that many fans without all that screen time from the VSFS, without all the bad press that Karlie has gotten for working with VS, & without selling "kookies" :innocent:. Lets be real here. Karlie is known to the general public for her Native American outfit scandal at the VSFS, shaking her butt in that ill-fitting mermaid costume, going on that one date with Joe Jonas, & all those Leo Dicaprio rumors. We at TFS know her as more than that, but the general public does not. Joan's fan base is very large, & it's not influenced by negative media attention.

JPG, Donna Karan & Elie Saab are good campaigns, but they aren't anywhere near the level of Gucci, Chanel & Fendi. The latter are more prestigious, & they receive more ad spaces in more magazines around the world.

VS is a better contract than any cosmetic contract? :huh: Not really. The prestige of a VS contract has gone tremendously over the years. They have like 64 angels on their roster atm, so most people don't even know who is or isn't an angel anymore. :lol: I wish Karlie luck trying to appeal to the general population when their are 63 more conventionally pretty girls that have the exact same contract as her. Really, good luck with that. :D

Joan is holding her own just fine, so everyone needs to stop hating on her all the time! She's a model of color doing things in the industry that haven't been done since Naomi came along. Cut her some slack!
 
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No. What you're failing to see is that Joan's resume on paper & IRL aren't good enough. Her caliber of work isn't at the level of Lara, Gemma or Raquel before they became #1. Tbh, both of them aren't #1, but Karlie is the clear leader. Karlie wipes the floor with her OG campaigns, not to mention how many OG editorials she's gotten.

if you think about lara, she didn't work with that many blue chip brands before getting that spot. the girl had never had chanel, gucci, dior, hermes, ysl, etc before becoming number 1.

How many people even remember the cast of chanel or prada, lv this season? i believe sigred agren has worked with chanel, ysl, prada, gucci, chloe, celine.............does that mean her campaign works are better than karlie's? no because like joan she just played supporting roles or was in non main campaigns.

so it is more than just blue chip names, it is about the substance. Chanel campaign with 1 girl is prestige, with 2 girls is good, with 8 girls.........that is like a pie that has been divided in to 8 pieces. so a jpg only girl campaign is way better than chanel campaigns with 8 girls for example.

Moving on to this season , Karlie has definitely overtaken Joan. She has a greater number of editorials which is a reflection of how in demand she is. She has graduated to more OG A-list covers and most recently to more blue chips campaigns which is definitely an indication of designers/advertisers buying into her selling power. Joan is not booking campaigns the level of which Karlie is as in the previous #1 cases, the girls always grew onto bigger things. Raquel & Lara really exploded after becoming #1 and i can only see the same thing happening for Karlie. Joan will continue booking campaigns, covers regularly, but they will not be major OG blue chip ads like Karlie.
 

LOL are you actually telling me that THIS creature is more High Fashion than Joan?

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Seriously, Joan is No.1 and Karlie is Not! What's the point in having this discussion, and by the time Joan is taken off the top spot, she will most like be replaced by Arizona or Saskia, not Karlie.

And anyway, at the end of the day, I seriously think both girls don't care, they're both rich! :P
 
I think Firefly meant to say "more blue chip" which would be very true. ;)

Yes, that's what I meant, but I also believe Joan is much more appropriate for high fashion than Karlie, a girl like Karlie shouldn't even be on the runway, but that's a whole different topic... :ninja:
 
No. What you're failing to see is that Joan's resume on paper & IRL aren't good enough. Her caliber of work isn't at the level of Lara, Gemma or Raquel before they became #1. Tbh, both of them aren't #1, but Karlie is the clear leader. Karlie wipes the floor with her OG campaigns, not to mention how many OG editorials she's gotten.

if you think about lara, she didn't work with that many blue chip brands before getting that spot. the girl had never had chanel, gucci, dior, hermes, ysl, etc before becoming number 1.

How many people even remember the cast of chanel or prada, lv this season? i believe sigred agren has worked with chanel, ysl, prada, gucci, chloe, celine.............does that mean her campaign works are better than karlie's? no because like joan she just played supporting roles or was in non main campaigns.



so it is more than just blue chip names, it is about the substance. Chanel campaign with 1 girl is prestige, with 2 girls is good, with 8 girls.........that is like a pie that has been divided in to 8 pieces. so a jpg only girl campaign is way better than chanel campaigns with 8 girls for example.

Moving on to this season , Karlie has definitely overtaken Joan. She has a greater number of editorials which is a reflection of how in demand she is. She has graduated to more OG A-list covers and most recently to more blue chips campaigns which is definitely an indication of designers/advertisers buying into her selling power. Joan is not booking campaigns the level of which Karlie is as in the previous #1 cases, the girls always grew onto bigger things. Raquel & Lara really exploded after becoming #1 and i can only see the same thing happening for Karlie. Joan will continue booking campaigns, covers regularly, but they will not be major OG blue chip ads like Karlie.

Gemma and Raquel, yes their campaigns were much better, but Lara?? Really?? When she became No.1 her only good campaigns were her multiple Givenchy campaigns and OG Louis Vuitton (she did not have a cosmetic contract and she didn't start her Calvin Klein contract either)

and comparing OG campaigns, really??? let's be real, do you know how hard it is for Joan to get an OG campaign? This is real life, most companies are not going to risk advertisement using only one ethnic model. Liya's only had one OG YSL campaign.

Sigrid??? She has literally 0 vogue covers

So in that sense, your right, Karlie will always book more OG campaigns than Joan but they are not blue chip! Donna Karen and Juicy couture is nowhere near as good as Chanel and Versace, which were shared.
And let's see Karlie do a campaign with Kate Moss and Daria W, she would self implode just being around their presence! :lol:
 
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Yes, that's what I meant, but I also believe Joan is much more appropriate for high fashion than Karlie, a girl like Karlie shouldn't even be on the runway, but that's a whole different topic... :ninja:

Just ask all the designers who hire her to open and close their shows. :flower:

Estee Lauder is only Contance... ( :doh: ) So we're in the same. I do not hate Joan, she is one of my favorite models, but as I said before, she has reduced her working frequency alot and she is, supposedly, the #1. It's just my opinion.

And again, Karlie not need blue chips campaigns with supermodels to stay on the crest of the wave. Because she is more that a top model.

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