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He just reeked of arrogance and privilege. Racism wasn't unknown to him, and I think he played a large role in the unhealthy weight trends of the 90s/00s.
You guys use racist very loosely and it's actually scary, may he have been extremely ignorant? HELL YEAH but who isn't especially in an industry thats ran by trend cycles. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying he's a saint but lets be real.
 
Can someone illuminate Karls racism?


Casual googling reveals literally no examples. He is more controversial for talking about fat people and since he used to be fat wouldn't he be 'allowed' to per the rules of ridiculous insecure people?

This is prob what they're mad about- Karl read them;

“Those social networks, there’s something sad about them … It’s like a talkative mirror where people talk to themselves. And what I hate most in life is selfies.”
 
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Can someone illuminate Karls racism?


Casual googling reveals literally no examples. He is more controversial for talking about fat people and since he used to be fat wouldn't he be 'allowed' to per the rules of ridiculous insecure people?

This is prob what they're mad about- Karl read them;

“Those social networks, there’s something sad about them … It’s like a talkative mirror where people talk to themselves. And what I hate most in life is selfies.”

This is how woke culture works. Name calling without any concrete evidence and you are guilty unless you are proven innocent. It is ruining western civilization in real time.

Guess what, Karl was right. Don't give a sht about any of these. Live genuinely and design genuinely. Haters will hate, but let them stare in their own mirrors and talk in their own echo chambers.
 
Lagerfeld was as problematic as anyone else of his generation.

Was he racist? I suppose he was in the sense that everyone is a little, but his personal and professional relationships over the years don't suggest so. Not in any egregious or scandalous way.

Did he promote extreme body ideals? of course but none that he himself didn't subscribe to. And neither was he alone.

Was he a nice person? Perhaps not but that is not a sin.
 
Adut and Alek were brides.
I don’t even think mentioning models means anything really because he after all came from that generation of designers who started working with non-Caucasian models. In a way he took it maybe further because he included Antonio Lopez and co in his creative process…

I remember when I started working in fashion, it was very difficult in a way to imagine working for brand as a black girl. Ultimately I worked for an American designer but at the time except for Edward Buchanan who was at Bottega Veneta, Eric Wright, who was the N2 of Karl at Fendi and his own brand and who was part of his entourage was really an inspiring figure.
Ultimately he ended up having a black girl as one of his PR for his own brand and she is still there. There’s an Asian woman in his team at Chanel who was instrumental for example in his connection to K-pop stars.

‘I realized he was really inclusive when I saw a lot of friends of his bodyguard (who comes from the subburbs of Paris) at some Chanel/Fendi/KL related events.

He was a privileged man but I think he was open minded but also with a lot of contradictions like a lot of us as humans.

That doesn’t mean that he didn’t made a lot of mistakes, bad judgement and all but this idea that humans must be monoliths is super draining.

‘I think ultimately, a lot of people loved him in the fashion industry because he didn’t fake it. There are many designers, my god, who take themselves so seriously and who aren’t at all what we think they are. And more than designers…
We see it with public figures!

‘Everybody loves Naomi Campbell. She is a fabulous model and an icon but as a human being, I find her more questionable than Karl has ever been. And I find it funny to see her playing mother teresa today.

The thing that I’ve always appreciated about Karl was how welcoming he was with new talents. He send flowers to designers he loved the collections from at the end of the season with generally a nice note, when some of his contemporaries were criticizing them in the press for example…

He is a public persona so criticism is expected but then again I’m happy that my judgement of people is not based solely on some stupid statements made in the media. Maybe it’s important for me because I worked in fashion and he is an important figure..

I’m never sold on the « nice » thing. I have more respect for Bernard Arnault, as shady as he is, that I have for Francois Pinault for example…But people sees Francois Pinault as the Saint!
 
IN MY OPINION

Karl was way too sophisticated to actually be a bigot. Bigots are the lowest form of any group; regardless of how you slice the group. As KARL said himself 'the best get the best' so the proof is in the pudding, he was the best

Karl really suffering from noticing patterns, and people who participate in those patterns get offended when they are called out on it.
 
Also, I think Karl was pretty supportive of André Leon Talley when John Fairchild fired him from Women's Wear Daily after Pierre Bergé threw his weight around and accused ALT of stealing Yves' sketches!! Even supporting him financially, too.
 
Also, I think Karl was pretty supportive of André Leon Talley when John Fairchild fired him from Women's Wear Daily after Pierre Bergé threw his weight around and accused ALT of stealing Yves' sketches!! Even supporting him financially, too.
That may have been fueled by his long going rivalry with YSL.
 
Well... yes... but the ways he supported ALT sounded much more like friendship and actual moral support, than supporting someone out of spite. Like, Karl even gave ALT spending money when he was unemployed in Paris (according to an interview with ALT in the latest Karl biography). I'm just saying, he was friends with ALT before the drama happened, too. (Until he cut him off, but that's neither here nor there.)
 
I think Karl and ALT were genuine friends... although for Karl that didn't always ensure eternal loyalty.

Conversations I've had with Carlyne Cerf gave me the impression that all of them, along with Anna and some others, were a very tight group.

But having a black friend doesn't mean that you aren't racist .
 
Well of course not, lol. I should have known better than to make that comment and fall into this trap. :rollingeyes:
 
Why would a racist want to socio-economically align themselves with someone they view as inferior? Having a black friend does carry weight.

off-hand Miuccia always struck me as the most racist since she DID have the runway show where the porters were all black and the actual models were white. That was no mistake.

Also - Karl was a serious snob and I think that is what many people are characterizing as racism. Karl was an elitist and didn't care who you were as long as you were someone he wanted to know.

In my short time here I found out that most racists act just like the race they despise, thats why they don't want to be around them. If they were together with the other race people would be able to see the similarities between the two. It's a psychological cope and I think Karl would hate that.
 
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Why would a racist want to socio-economically align themselves with someone they view as inferior? Having a black friend does carry weight.

off-hand Miuccia always struck me as the most racist since she DID have the runway show where the porters were all black and the actual models were white. That was no mistake.

Also - Karl was a serious snob and I think that is what many people are characterizing as racism. Karl was an elitist and didn't care who you were as long as you were someone he wanted to know.

In my short time here I found out that most racists act just like the race they despise, thats why they don't want to be around them. If they were together with the other race people would be able to see the similarities between the two. It's a psychological cope and I think Karl would hate that.

To quote Robin Givhan, racism is not about how you treat the black people you know. It's about how you treat the black people you don't.

Also, you don't have to be a raging Nazi or Ku Klux Klan member in order to be racist.
 
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An article via The New York Times in conversation with Anna Wintour:

Karl and Anna, a Love Story in Clothes by Vanessa Friedman

Anna Wintour remembers the designer Karl Lagerfeld, and how she’s worn his clothes to the most important events in her life.

Anna Wintour, the editor of Vogue and global editorial director of Condé Nast, has been the maestro of every Met Gala since 1999. But this time, it’s personal.

Not just because the exhibition the party honors is devoted to the work of the much celebrated designer Karl Lagerfeld, who died in 2019, but because Mr. Lagerfeld was one of Ms. Wintour’s closest friends for decades. He created the clothes that, she said, “I’ve worn to the most important events in my life — to my wedding, to my children’s weddings, to Met Galas and state dinners and tennis championships at which I watched my heroes compete for their dreams.”

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Karl Lagerfeld and Anna Wintour at the CFDA Awards ceremony in 1993.Credit...Robin Platzer/Getty Images

For her, she said, Mr. Lagerfeld’s designs were “a uniform, a kind of armor and a way of holding certain moods and memories close. His fashion does for me what fashion should. It makes me feel more confident in being myself.”

Now, when she wears his work, she said, “I still feel that I have him near.” The Times asked Ms. Wintour to pick some of the favorite Lagerfeld designs that still hang in her closet and describe the memories they evoke.

‘I don’t remember when or where I first met Karl, or what I was wearing.’

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A Lagerfeld design from the Chanel spring 2003 couture collection.Credit...Giovanni Giannoni/WWD, via Getty Images
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Ms. Wintour wearing the dress at an amfAR gala in New York in February 2003.Credit...Evan Agostini/Getty Images

The AmfAR Gala Dress
I wore this collaged Chanel dress to the amfAR gala in New York alongside Hillary Clinton when she was in the middle of her first term as senator in 2003. I wanted to feel both chic and confident. I was delighted when, some years later, my daughter-in-law, Elizabeth, wore the same dress to her first Met Gala. Karl, who liked to strike a pose against nostalgia, took one look at her and said, “Recycled!” In fact, Karl’s dresses are enthusiastically recycled in my family, treated with reverence — but not too much. My daughter, Bee, is planning on wearing this dress to a Met after-party this year.

Honestly, I don’t remember when or where I first met Karl, or what I was wearing. I was probably nervous, because I was always nervous meeting people in the early years of my career. What’s certain is that he quickly put me at ease. He loved meeting people, and he loved to talk. We were both masters of compartmentalization — we kept our working lives quite separate from our friendship — and when we met socially, fashion was never our subject.

Karl was interested in so much else and seemed eager to escape the snow globe of his public life. In public, he embraced his image as the high priest of chic and surfaces and whatever was absolutely new. In private — a side he guarded far more carefully — he was different.

‘Karl’s dresses are enthusiastically recycled in my family.’

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The paint box dress on the Chanel spring 2014 ready-to-wear runway, in real life and on Ms. Wintour, as she rode with Mr. Lagerfeld at the premiere of “The Return,” his film about Coco Chanel, which was shown in Dallas in 2013.Credit...FirstVIEW; Vincent Tullo for The New York Times; Mark Graham for The New York Times
The Paint Box Dress
I first wore this paint box dress, inspired by the colored paints and pencils that Karl always kept scattered across his desk, to a fantastically over-the-top Chanel extravaganza that he arranged in Dallas a decade ago, one of the first such runway productions in unlikely locations. (This “traveling” model for fashion shows, breaking away from the staid runways in Paris or Milan, was enormously influential because Karl did it. Other houses soon followed.) This event was complete with a drive-in movie theater, a bucking-bronco ride and a rodeo.

Since then, that paint box dress has been to many tamer parties in our family, including my son Charlie’s wedding. Bee has also worn it to possibly too many of the weddings of her friends.

‘We’d exchange a few words or a text or two, and from these Karl was able to draw what would be just right.’

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A Chanel gown from the Mr. Lagerfeld's spring 1983 couture collection. At right, Ms. Wintour wearing the dress at the state dinner for the French president in December 2022.Credit...Chanel; T.J. Kirkpatrick for The New York Times; Vincent Tullo for The New York Times
The Trompe L’oeil Dress
Karl’s dresses don’t seem to age or date to a specific era. They stay with us as we cross time and live our different lives. This trompe l’oeil dress, a homage to Coco Chanel’s love of jewelry, was part of Karl’s first Chanel couture collection in 1983. It had been in my closet for a good long time before I found the perfect occasion to wear it at President Biden’s state dinner for Emmanuel Macron.


Over the years, Karl designed some dresses specially for me, but we never talked about what these should be. It was more like osmosis. We’d exchange a few words or a text or two about an occasion, and from these Karl was able to draw what would be just right — for the event but also for me. He absorbed a lot more from people than he showed.

However broad his own interests, he always seemed to have room for other people’s, and over the years he sent me vintage prints in honor of my love of tennis and porcelain. Karl didn’t play tennis, and he didn’t care for porcelain the way I did, but it was his quiet way of being attuned to other people’s minds.

‘In the early days of our friendship we would meet at the Café de Flore, where Karl was a habitué.’

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A Lagerfeld sketch of the Chanel feather dress Ms. Wintour wore at an event at his home in 2002. Credit...Vincent Tullo for The New York Times

The Feather Skirt
Karl was always sending me sketches that he could create in an instant but might just as quickly ball up and toss away. One of them shows us on the dance floor, a memento of the ways we used to spend our time together in Paris. In the early days of our friendship we would meet at the Café de Flore, where Karl was a habitué. Later, he’d take me to chaotically planned, totally glamorous dinners at his house, and those incredible nights often ended with dancing.

Karl was a great dancer, and a greater night owl. As we got older and wiser and outwardly more respectable, we gave up the late nights and the Café de Flore, and I persuaded him to meet me for dinner at my hotel (Karl was perpetually, sometimes preposterously, late, and this way I found I could get some work done while I waited for him to show up). But the feathery skirt from that sketch, both ethereal and down to earth, is a reminder of that era of late-night dancing.

When one of his late parties ended, he would go home and, alone, read Hegel and sketch deep into the night. He sent me books constantly, in volume — strange, unexpected books of the kind known only to people who spend time prowling the backs of shops.


Once I was supposed to fly across the Atlantic to present him with an award in London. I’m not wonderful at adjusting to time differences, and I don’t particularly like public speaking. I am always early — in this case arriving two days in advance — and on the day of the event, a few hours before it began, I got a vaguely alarming text: Karl was just taking off from Paris. A couple of hours later, another one: Karl had landed and was in the car, but had stopped off at a bookshop.

About an hour before the presentation, there was a third: Karl is on his way but wanted to visit a gallery. Finally, within seconds of our curtain call, Karl burst into the wings with an entourage of 15 and his usual surprised “Am I late?” We were swept onstage.

‘His favorite dress on me.’

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A gold suit from the Chanel fall 2014 couture runway, now part of Ms. Wintour’s collection. At right, Ms. Wintour and Mr. Lagerfeld at the opening of the Foundation Louis Vuitton in October 2014.
The Gold Trompe L’oeil Dress
Karl’s Chanel suits put me in mind of his dogged, unexpected strength. They are uniform and armor, a testament to slow and controlled change, but there’s something vividly human in them, too. When we went together to the 2014 opening of the Foundation Louis Vuitton in Paris, Karl told me that my gold trompe l’oeil dress was his favorite on me of any piece I’d worn. Since then, I’ve worn it many times. It’s Karl at his finest: the classic profile made new, the sparkle and simplicity, the way it puts forward an idea of strength in femininity.

Karl frequently surprised the world as a designer (he loved to turn heads), but it was as a friend that he surprised me most. Many years ago, when I was facing my first summer vacation with my children after my divorce, I was frozen. I wanted to show them a good time, but I felt in pieces. It was Karl, of all people, who sensed this and swooped in to lend a hand.

He had a vacation house in Europe, by the beach, he told us, and we should spend some time there. When we arrived, to my surprise, he’d planned a whole summer camp’s worth of activities for my young children — surfing lessons on the beach, day trips to the nearby art museum, dancing after dinner in the evenings. Karl was perhaps even less a kid person than he was a porcelain person, but he went all out when I most needed it. That isn’t something you forget. A real relationship with Karl was an association and connection built incrementally, over years.

‘I wore a lot of short skirts at the time, but none more happily.’
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A sketch by Mr. Lagerfeld of Ms. Wintour wearing a short suit from the Chanel fall 1993 collection. Credit...Vincent Tullo for The New York Times

The Short Skirt Suit
Karl could be serious, but I’ll remember his tremendous sense of fun. In the early 1990s he designed a lot of very short skirts. We photographed a spread of them in Vogue, and I kept wondering whether the skirts were short enough. Whether in consideration of this question, or simply as a way of teasing me, he sent me a short skirt suit of my own. I wore a lot of short skirts at the time, but none more happily than his.

Or there was the benefit Chanel staged in the meatpacking district in 1991, when the uptown crowd descended to West 12th Street in an endless array of buckled leather and ruffled tulle, all of it Chanel. I remember a journalist asking him if he had ever seen so many middle-aged women in biker jackets and miniskirts. Karl’s reply was quintessential Karl, generous and coolly deadpan: “As far as I’m concerned there are no middle-aged women.”

‘He was always looking ahead to the next thing.’

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The poppy dress from the Chanel spring 2015 couture runway. At right, Ms. Wintour in the dress at the “China: Through the Looking Glass” gala at the Met in May 2015.Credit...FirstVIEW; Vincent Tullo for The New York Times; Dimitrios Kambouris/Getty Images

The Poppy Met Dress

I never wholly figured out his contradictions. He was someone who could be rigorous in his diet, which was notoriously stringent and health-minded, and then consume a tsunami of Diet Coke. He had his love of books and magazines and printed matter but also needed the very latest technology and devices at his fingertips. He was always looking ahead to the next thing, to the future — with a fear, I always felt, of falling behind, of being caught out.

He would have been alarmed to find himself the subject of an exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. But “A Line of Beauty” is an appreciation and embodiment of his genius. Since 2005, I have worn his dresses to almost every opening gala for the Costume Institute that I have co-hosted. This poppy dress, which I wore to the “China: Through the Looking Glass” show in 2015, was an example of Karl’s dexterity and quick wits at his desk. On the runway, it was short, but, with a sweep of his pencil, it became ankle-length — and it worked beautifully that way.

Our friendship meant everything to me, and I miss him deeply. I am grateful for all the moments, such as this one, that can bring his work to life and, in the process, keep him near.

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For anyone in the UK (not sure where anyone outside the UK will be able to watch), there's a brilliant upon brilliant BBC documentary entitled 'The Mysterious Mr Lagerfeld' which is a fascinating watch:



With unique access to Karl Lagerfeld’s inner circle - many having never spoken publically before - and his beloved cat, this film opens up the extraordinary world of the man known as Kaiser Karl.

BBC.CO.UK

Tons of archival footage and interviews from various friends of Karl Lagerfeld (including Carine Roitfeld, Colombe Pringle, Brad Kroenig and Sébastien Jondeau to name a few).

A 10/10 from me after watching!
 

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