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I have got onto the MA Fashion Journalism course at LCF. I start in September! Woo-hoo!
 
InnocentFairy said:
I have got onto the MA Fashion Journalism course at LCF. I start in September! Woo-hoo!
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Congratulations to you! That really sounds like a dream to me... The (BA) Fashion Journalism course sounds so super super interesting to me! Can you tell me something about it maybe ? Or haven't you studied Fashion Journalism before? Did you have to do some sort of task to get in? I am sorry for all my questions but I am so very curious :)
 
Aww thank you!

I will answer as many questions for you as I can.

I have just finished my degree in BA Hons' Sociology at Goldsmiths, University of London - just on Weds' actually! To get onto the course you have to write: a personal statement, an essay answering one of the questions that they have created and a 'final topic' outline.

Then if you get pass that stage, you then go for an interview. But really, Andrew Tucker (the course director) is such a sweetie and is really, really funny - that interview was probably the best one I've had. It was so laid back and the questions were obvious - e.g. why are you interested in fashion? What designers do you like? Etc...but he was more interested in me being a camp counsellor at Camp Shane in NYC, lol! He told me I got more and more interesting as the interview was progressing.

Andrew also said he normally takes individuals onto his course with an English or Sociology degree - I suppose because there is 'cultural theory' involved within the course. Therefore sociologist are very good at analysing how fashion influences society, sub-cultures, etc so they are very analytical whereas English graduates will write beautifully.

Some individuals will argue that you do not need an MA in Journalism...that might be the case back in the 70s, 80s or 90s...or maybe even for some nowdays. But when I phoned round, they told me I need an post-graduate degree. Plus to have an MA in Fashion Journalism means you are learning and growing with the next generation of fashion designers, journalists, etc situated around you within that institution. Plus you will learn a lot and have an extremely impressive CV, so its all good!
 
InnocentFairy said:
Aww thank you!

I will answer as many questions for you as I can.

I have just finished my degree in BA Hons' Sociology at Goldsmiths, University of London - just on Weds' actually! To get onto the course you have to write: a personal statement, an essay answering one of the questions that they have created and a 'final topic' outline.

Then if you get pass that stage, you then go for an interview. But really, Andrew Tucker (the course director) is such a sweetie and is really, really funny - that interview was probably the best one I've had. It was so laid back and the questions were obvious - e.g. why are you interested in fashion? What designers do you like? Etc...but he was more interested in me being a camp counsellor at Camp Shane in NYC, lol! He told me I got more and more interesting as the interview was progressing.

Andrew also said he normally takes individuals onto his course with an English or Sociology degree - I suppose because there is 'cultural theory' involved within the course. Therefore sociologist are very good at analysing how fashion influences society, sub-cultures, etc so they are very analytical whereas English graduates will write beautifully.

Some individuals will argue that you do not need an MA in Journalism...that might be the case back in the 70s, 80s or 90s...or maybe even for some nowdays. But when I phoned round, they told me I need an post-graduate degree. Plus to have an MA in Fashion Journalism means you are learning and growing with the next generation of fashion designers, journalists, etc situated around you within that institution. Plus you will learn a lot and have an extremely impressive CV, so its all good!
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Thank you so so much for your helpful answers ! It sounds even more great to me now! I live in the Netherlands and here there aren't any courses in Fashion Journalism, we do have courses in Journalism but I am much more interested in the fashion part only...

Could you maybe give me an example of one of those questions you were supposed to answer?

I also think it's a great fact when a teacher is being nice to you during an interview. I have had an interview for a Fashion Design course in The Netherlands and it was absolutely awful! Luckily I had a great interview yesterday so I am back to positive thinking now :D
 
k i need help...i even PMed someone in the thread about the BA womenswear

i got in the foundation course at LCF but my first choice was really CSM, based on what everybody already knows, the reputation (overrated or not, it's pretty well known here in brazil!). the interviewer said i had no chance of getting in CSM cos it was super competitive but he offered me a spot in LCF. i was just wondering if the level's really that different or CSM is all about the hype...also i'm already in a fashion uni here, it's supposidely more technical, and i've heard LCF is pretty technical as well...do they give any emphasis on criativity at all??

mehhh help me decide please!!
 
Neddie said:
Thank you so so much for your helpful answers ! It sounds even more great to me now! I live in the Netherlands and here there aren't any courses in Fashion Journalism, we do have courses in Journalism but I am much more interested in the fashion part only...

Could you maybe give me an example of one of those questions you were supposed to answer?

I also think it's a great fact when a teacher is being nice to you during an interview. I have had an interview for a Fashion Design course in The Netherlands and it was absolutely awful! Luckily I had a great interview yesterday so I am back to positive thinking now :D
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Well the question I answer was:
Is fashion a reliable mirror of change in society?

Can't remember what the rest of the questions are now, but I will see if I can find them and let you know. But I thought that question was the easiest one that I could answer from a fashion and sociological point of view.

Are you starting a university course in September - if so is it a BA course? Are you going to take up an MA course and if so...in London? You really should!
 
Katie123 said:
k i need help...i even PMed someone in the thread about the BA womenswear

i got in the foundation course at LCF but my first choice was really CSM, based on what everybody already knows, the reputation (overrated or not, it's pretty well known here in brazil!). the interviewer said i had no chance of getting in CSM cos it was super competitive but he offered me a spot in LCF. i was just wondering if the level's really that different or CSM is all about the hype...also i'm already in a fashion uni here, it's supposidely more technical, and i've heard LCF is pretty technical as well...do they give any emphasis on criativity at all??

mehhh help me decide please!!
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They are both part of the 'University of the Arts London' - so what does it matter? If you get a degree from LCF or CSM - it will still have the 'University of the Arts London' on your degree certificate. Just like the 'University of London' does for Goldsmiths, Birkbeck, Kings, Royal Holloway, UCL, etc - as they are all part of the U of L.
 
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InnocentFairy said:
They are both part of the 'University of the Arts London' - so what does it matter? If you get a degree from LCF or CSM - it will still have the 'University of the Arts London' on your degree certificate. Just like the 'University of London' does for Goldsmiths, Birkbeck, Kings, Royal Holloway, UCL, etc - as they are all part of the U of L.
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There's no difference between the UoL's constituent colleges? Pull the other one, it's got bells on. Why would someone meet an AAA offer from the LSE or UCL only to gain an equivalent degree to people going to Goldsmiths, QMUL &c on Bs and Cs... Also UCL and LSE can choose to have their own university on their certificates instead of UoL now.

The same goes for UAL.
 
PrinceOfCats said:
There's no difference between the UoL's constituent colleges? Pull the other one, it's got bells on. Why would someone meet an AAA offer from the LSE or UCL only to gain an equivalent degree to people going to Goldsmiths, QMUL &c on Bs and Cs... Also UCL and LSE can choose to have their own university on their certificates instead of UoL now.

The same goes for UAL.
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So my degree is worth nothing? It is still part of the University of London, that is what is on the degree. LSE and UCL offer different courses to what Goldsmiths offer - as Goldsmiths is more of an Art college, it is still very well established and extremely difficult for one to get into. People are too snobby about institutions, at the end of the day - it depends on how good the actual person is. I know one individual who graduated from Greenwich University who had interview against an individual who graduated from Cambridge for a lecturer position. The individual who graduated from Greenwich got the job!

Anyway if it was good enough for Mary Quant, it was good enough for me! Plus Goldsmiths is within the top 10 for Sociology in the UK, which is great news for me - seeing as that is what I have my degree in!
 
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InnocentFairy said:
Well the question I answer was:
Is fashion a reliable mirror of change in society?

Can't remember what the rest of the questions are now, but I will see if I can find them and let you know. But I thought that question was the easiest one that I could answer from a fashion and sociological point of view.

Are you starting a university course in September - if so is it a BA course? Are you going to take up an MA course and if so...in London? You really should!
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That question sounds very interesting. I think it's a great question to do some research :) I always love to look for links between different things!

What I will be doing next year is still very unsure. At the moment I am in my last year of secondary school and this wednesday I will have my first final exam!
Within three weeks I will hear whether I am allowed to start studying fashion design next year in Amsterdam.. If not I am planning to go to another country for some time, London is on the top of my list!
This summer I am also going to CSM for a one-week course and maybe I will fall in love with the University and find out that Fashion Journalism really is something for me.. Or I am just going to stick with Fashion Design! I have never been to London before so I am really really looking forward to going there!
 
congratulations InnocentFairy :clap:
can i ask u how much are the fees for this course? & for how many years??
thnkss :flower:
 
InnocentFairy said:
They are both part of the 'University of the Arts London' - so what does it matter? If you get a degree from LCF or CSM - it will still have the 'University of the Arts London' on your degree certificate. Just like the 'University of London' does for Goldsmiths, Birkbeck, Kings, Royal Holloway, UCL, etc - as they are all part of the U of L.
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i know but as i've said before, i've always heard a lot more about CSM and the interview himself told me CSM was very competitive so he was going to offer me a spot in LCF. which made me wonder about the level/reputation difference between them two.
 
InnocentFairy said:
So my degree is worth nothing? It is still part of the University of London, that is what is on the degree. LSE and UCL offer different courses to what Goldsmiths offer - as Goldsmiths is more of an Art college, it is still very well established and extremely difficult for one to get into. People are too snobby about institutions, at the end of the day - it depends on how good the actual person is. I know one individual who graduated from Greenwich University who had interview against an individual who graduated from Cambridge for a lecturer position. The individual who graduated from Greenwich got the job!

Anyway if it was good enough for Mary Quant, it was good enough for me! Plus Goldsmiths is within the top 10 for Sociology in the UK, which is great news for me - seeing as that is what I have my degree in!
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Nobody cares what it says on the certificate. Not to mention that London's three top universities will no longer give UoL certificates...

While you may have some anecdotal tale about Oxbridge graduate X vs Impoverished Polytechnic Y graduate (seems like everyone does...), most top jobs go to graduates of elite universities. One in three journalists on national dailies are Oxford graduates, one in two barristers, every single 20C prime minister bar three... &c. This is how the world works, it's not about snobbery, it's about wanting to maximise your chances of success. Telling people their prospects are equal from all universities is irresponsible. Similarly, the recieved wisdom seems to be that CSM's undergraduate program is stronger than LCF's.

Not to mention that boasting a top ten place is paradoxical - are you telling people to look at league tables (ie be snobs) or not...
 
I agree with POC here, if you got a first doing English at UCL, you'd have a degree that was worth more than if you got a first at Westminister. Fact. UCL is Russell Group, many London colleges are not. 1) It has more research money and therefore is more of a name internationally 2) It can get the 'better' students. It is the same as comparing CSM to Goldsmiths or Camberwell or whatever. And nobody is saying your degree is rubbish -don't take it personally -it is just about how things work. If you are talented and driven, you'll be that way anywhere. Mind you Mary Quant is probably my least favourite designer in the whole world.

I dream personally, of the Slade. I am going to do their summer course next year for fine art, and then see if I can get on their degree programme.
 
PrinceOfCats said:
Nobody cares what it says on the certificate. Not to mention that London's three top universities will no longer give UoL certificates...

While you may have some anecdotal tale about Oxbridge graduate X vs Impoverished Polytechnic Y graduate (seems like everyone does...), most top jobs go to graduates of elite universities. One in three journalists on national dailies are Oxford graduates, one in two barristers, every single 20C prime minister bar three... &c. This is how the world works, it's not about snobbery, it's about wanting to maximise your chances of success. Telling people their prospects are equal from all universities is irresponsible. Similarly, the recieved wisdom seems to be that CSM's undergraduate program is stronger than LCF's.

Not to mention that boasting a top ten place is paradoxical - are you telling people to look at league tables (ie be snobs) or not...
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I can not be bothered to be getting into a debate about this, I have been debating sociologically for the last three years. I just want to come on the board where people are nice, not having individuals keep trying to put others down and what have you.

As for boasting a top ten place was done because you pointed out how universities matter, but what also matters is whether the ACTUAL course is good within that institution. It all counts! It is always nicer to make individuals feel good about themselves, not keep pointing out what institutions are better than others. Moreover, 'life chances' are an important factor - I know for a fact that it is difficult to get onto the Sociology course at Goldsmiths and I am proud of myself for getting onto it, others get turned away...that course is still in the top ten which is more can be said for other 'top' universities.

Thanks all the same.
 
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