Madonna

i think the problem with the new album is that most of these collaborators suck except for william orbit.
 
MDNA leaked... listening, enjoying it so far. All the links have been pulled now as far as I can see.

Really already. Thank god I got it. Track 13 & 16 aren't full length though.
I'm still going to buy but I was sick of waiting.

The booklet pics are awesome. Much better than Hard Candy's.
 
Not feeling the video for Girl Gone Wild. It looks good and all, and I like the way it's edited, but it's kind of old hat as far as "contoversial" subject matter goes. Nudity, S&M, homoeroticism, sex, cross-dressing...it's just not as scandalous as it seems like it was meant to be because it doesn't feel raw. It's by-the-books.
 
i liked the music video for girl gone wild. she looks very beautiful, but it was a nice kinda flash back to the 80's.
 
That shot w/ her in her bra & panties--I just cannot digest, especially the one w/ her finger in her mouth (it's just plain dumb..no other word to describe it). If anything, it looks like she took a rejected shot from her Erotica promos (from, what was it, 20 years ago?) & had Mert & Marcus "work their magic" on it.

I was just listening to Bedtime Stories and thinking about the videos from that album: a million miles above and beyond what anybody was doing at that time. Just a truely class-act of an album, in every sense of the word. The lyrics, the mood, the instumentation, the production, the EVERYTHING was impeccably done. And the video to Take A Bow--wearing a bra & panties, but looking sensual (not sexual)..and also Louboutins, a whole decade & a half before becoming the footwear of choice for every Real Housewife!

So we went from all that..to this. Pre-order on iTunes? Forget it. Illegal download as a rainy-day project? Sure, why not?
 
I just bought MDNA. That's sick. I love the variety of the album. I'll wait a few more listenings to make my top favorites..
Now I cannot wait to be at the Stade de France on July 14 :woot:
 
Been listening to MDNA for a week now, liking it more and more. I'm with you, Valentine27, I'm enjoying the variety. So far I'm loving I'm Addicted, Gang Bang, Turn Up the Radio, I'm a Sinner, Beautiful Killer and I F**ked Up.
 
Thanks MrFalconer for sharing the hi-res shots.

Those M&M shots are just silly-- they resemble digital paintings. Jeez, Madonna no longer seems to like being photographed--I think she prefers to be painted as a very, very young plastic girl. The irony of it all is that she goes on about how people are so ageist, and she's right-- but than she approves of these terrible shots to represent herself; heavily photoshopped to such ridiculous lengths, where she not only look impossibly young, but unreal, and very much plastic. I wonder if she realizes her own hypocrisy?

Anyway, I do think Madonna is great and a true icon. There will never be another Madonna in our lifetime. Somebody that blends the commercial and underground, art and commerce, entertainment and politics, mixing the bourgeoisie and the rebel. No one can even comes close to this woman in the pop world. And having said that, I've been less than impressed with her these last few years; the Sticky & Sweet tour which looks like it simply recycles past performances, the clothing line, the perfume, the gyms... it all seems so uninspiring and clearly more of a sign she is wh*ring her legacy for the almighty dollar than anything to do with her "art" and being an artist.

Then I heard the new record a couple of weeks ago... I would love to say that it is Madonna's best work, but the truth to me is, it all sounds familiar, like I've heard it from her before, but less rich. However, I really like 5 of the tracks: "I'm A Sinner", "Love Spent", "Gang Bang", "Some Girls" and "I Don't Give A" are quite excellent. Although, it does feel like deja vu even with these 5 strong tracks: They're like the updated versions of tracks I've heard before, whether that's from the Ray Of Light era, Music era, or Confessions era. I don't think the sounds are anything new from what she's done before-- just more aggressive. Nicki is really stellar in I Don't Give A-- her and Madonna flow so well and effortlessly together-- unlike her forced 15 seconds in that horrible "Give Me All Your Lovin'" to appeal to the kidz , and the production is more white funk than hip-hop. But I think like anything in hip-hop, this track will date very quickly.

5 great tracks out of 15 isn't a glowing review, but that's pretty decent since I had such low expectations to begin with. I've no interest in the current Madonna the Persona, who seems more and more out of touch with reality, the underground, subcultures and comes across rather desperate to be down with the kidz I'm actually embarrassed for her. Maybe if she had projected a more titanic, original and age-appropriate Grande Dame persona as the one that she channeled in the 2010 Interview Mert and Marcus shoot, which was iconic, mature, and still sexy, I would be more interested. And that "Girl Gone Wild" video: It's M & M and Madonna paying tribute to Madonna's past. It's nice enough with all the top guys-- Simon Nessman is unreal, the Givenchy pieces and Kazaky, but she's done it all before-- and much, much better. She seems more predictable than fresh now.

I'm sure her fans are loving Madonna referencing her past work for this new era, but for a woman who often proclaimed she would never repeat herself, things appears-- reductive lately.

Not impressed at all this time, but I'm still fond of the ol' girl.
 
Thanks MrFalconer for sharing the hi-res shots.

Those M&M shots are just silly-- they resemble digital paintings. Jeez, Madonna no longer seems to like being photographed--I think she prefers to be painted as a very, very young plastic girl. The irony of it all is that she goes on about how people are so ageist, and she's right-- but than she approves of these terrible shots to represent herself; heavily photoshopped to such ridiculous lengths, where she not only look impossibly young, but unreal, and very much plastic. I wonder if she realizes her own hypocrisy?

Anyway, I do think Madonna is great and a true icon. There will never be another Madonna in our lifetime. Somebody that blends the commercial and underground, art and commerce, entertainment and politics, mixing the bourgeoisie and the rebel. No one can even comes close to this woman in the pop world. And having said that, I've been less than impressed with her these last few years; the Sticky & Sweet tour which looks like it simply recycles past performances, the clothing line, the perfume, the gyms... it all seems so uninspiring and clearly more of a sign she is wh*ring her legacy for the almighty dollar than anything to do with her "art" and being an artist.

Then I heard the new record a couple of weeks ago... I would love to say that it is Madonna's best work, but the truth to me is, it all sounds familiar, like I've heard it from her before, but less rich. However, I really like 5 of the tracks: "I'm A Sinner", "Love Spent", "Gang Bang", "Some Girls" and "I Don't Give A" are quite excellent. Although, it does feel like deja vu even with these 5 strong tracks: They're like the updated versions of tracks I've heard before, whether that's from the Ray Of Light era, Music era, or Confessions era. I don't think the sounds are anything new from what she's done before-- just more aggressive. Nicki is really stellar in I Don't Give A-- her and Madonna flow so well and effortlessly together-- unlike her forced 15 seconds in that horrible "Give Me All Your Lovin'" to appeal to the kidz , and the production is more white funk than hip-hop. But I think like anything in hip-hop, this track will date very quickly.

5 great tracks out of 15 isn't a glowing review, but that's pretty decent since I had such low expectations to begin with. I've no interest in the current Madonna the Persona, who seems more and more out of touch with reality, the underground, subcultures and comes across rather desperate to be down with the kidz I'm actually embarrassed for her. Maybe if she had projected a more titanic, original and age-appropriate Grande Dame persona as the one that she channeled in the 2010 Interview Mert and Marcus shoot, which was iconic, mature, and still sexy, I would be more interested. And that "Girl Gone Wild" video: It's M & M and Madonna paying tribute to Madonna's past. It's nice enough with all the top guys-- Simon Nessman is unreal, the Givenchy pieces and Kazaky, but she's done it all before-- and much, much better. She seems more predictable than fresh now.

I'm sure her fans are loving Madonna referencing her past work for this new era, but for a woman who often proclaimed she would never repeat herself, things appears-- reductive lately.

Not impressed at all this time, but I'm still fond of the ol' girl.
much of what's stated above is true and i quite agree.I still believe though that anything she puts out is better,more polished and definitely less pretentious than what other pop stars are doing atm.And honestly,I think she'll soon realize it's time to pull the "Grand-Dame" card out,i can see her getting there next
 
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^^^The thing is, Madonna's always referenced the iconic Grande Dames: Dietrich, Garbo, Jean Seberg, Jane Mansfield, Warhol... That's what makes her so much better than any of the other pop stars because her repository of iconic references had always been so rich. It's just now that she's so desperate to be down with the kidz-- she's obviously going through some midlife crisis. All the rent-a-rapper guest spots, skimpy outfits and urban entourage won't ever endear her to the kids; they will never accept a 53-year-old trying to be down with them.

And all her older fans who think she's so cool chasing the latest trends also look stupid and out of touch by going along with her. Acting her age, and not her shoe-size doesn't mean she has to sing Celine Dion power ballads in Vegas. Look at Grace Jones, who's still doing her thing, wearing very provocative designers, and making music that's modern and distinctively original, but mature. Madonna's just desperate to be relevant in the most crass and commercial sense, and her music and legacy is suffering as a result. Even a track like "Superstar" is quite good in it's simplicity, but then she ruins it by adding some nonsense line "Give you the password to my phone" to try to connect with the kidz? Really Madonna..? It's so cringeworthy to hear a mature woman sing that line. It's a joke. Like Spike413 mentioned, she's dumbing herself down to be accepted on the radio, who still ignores her despite the massive payola from Live Nation.
 
^^^The thing is, Madonna's always referenced the iconic Grande Dames: Dietrich, Garbo, Jean Seberg, Jane Mansfield, Warhol... That's what makes her so much better than any of the other pop stars because her repository of iconic references had always been so rich. It's just now that she's so desperate to be down with the kidz-- she's obviously going through some midlife crisis. All the rent-a-rapper guest spots, skimpy outfits and urban entourage won't ever endear her to the kids; they will never accept a 53-year-old trying to be down with them.

And all her older fans who think she's so cool chasing the latest trends also look stupid and out of touch by going along with her. Acting her age, and not her shoe-size doesn't mean she has to sing Celine Dion power ballads in Vegas. Look at Grace Jones, who's still doing her thing, wearing very provocative designers, and making music that's modern and distinctively original, but mature. Madonna's just desperate to be relevant in the most crass and commercial sense, and her music and legacy is suffering as a result. Even a track like "Superstar" is quite good in it's simplicity, but then she ruins it by adding some nonsense line "Give you the password to my phone" to try to connect with the kidz? Really Madonna..? It's so cringeworthy to hear a mature woman sing that line. It's a joke. Like Spike413 mentioned, she's dumbing herself down to be accepted on the radio, who still ignores her despite the massive payola from Live Nation.
I agree with basically the whole second paragraph, and honestly, cringe-worthy is the only fitting description for some of what's on this new album. There are quite a few lyrics that I honestly think just sound, well, dumb if I'm being completely honest. Dumb, unsophisticated and silly.

And I have to say, the fact that Madonna refers to herself as a girl in 3 songs (that I can count, anyway) is, to me, more than just a poor choice. It's a sign of where she's at. She's not a girl, and she hasn't been for some time. Girls do not write about the things she once wrote about, beautifully at that. Girls do not have a wealth of life experience, emotion, ideas and struggles. Why does she want to call herself a girl? Why would she want other people to view her as one?

I just don't get it.

Still, there are songs I like, particularly Gang Bang (despite the, it seems, purely-for-the-sake-of-being-controversial title) and I'm Addicted, but I really wouldn't call MDNA a triumph, nor do I think it re-asserts Madonna's power over the female pop game because, frankly, there are other artists doing what she does better than she's currently been doing it. Sad to say that she sets herself up for that kind of comparison by directly competing with them, rather than setting herself apart entirely.
 
^^^Midlife-crisis in overdrive.

If people love this new album and this persona of hers, good for them-- I definitely wouldn't want to take that enjoyment from them. But let's not pretend this era isn't a few dozen steps down from what Madonna came to represent in the pop world. She is dumbing herself down to the masses and to compete with the other reigning pop starlets-- who are all, as bland and unoriginal as can be. And she wants to emulate that? Just look at that Facebook interview as well as the snaps from the Miami music festival: she's done up like Avril Lavigne's mom... I have no words-- f*****g Avril Lavigne! You're so punk rawk Madonna... She's become that embarrassing middle-age aunt who says "Has anyone seen Molly?" and wears sock sleeves because she wants the kidz to think she's hip and raaaaw. Oh boy...

I seriously miss Lori Goldstein's styling and the rich and lush era of Bedtime Stories-- the spirit and attitude of which would be so appropriate for Madonna at her age now. Madonna's R 'n B roots were authentic, soulful and heartfelt during that era. Her emergence as a sensual platinum-blonde Jean Harlow goddess in Versace Haute Couture with a Harlem attitude was leagues ahead of everyone else. Arianna may be an impressive costume designer for films, but when it comes to dressing Madonna, I think she's simply awful. Her designs for Madonna's costumes are always so tacky, wannabe, desperate and unflattering.

I always laughed at Cher at how she thought she was so down with that stupid "Believe" track. Now Madonna's new era IS that stupid Cher track...
 
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^ Couldn't the same be said of all the Madonna fans who are positively piddling themselves over an album filled with rehashed ideas?
 

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