Olivier Theyskens Officially Parts Ways with Nina Ricci

[BerlinRocks]

Anna loves him.
I've heard somewhere on tv that she did write something about Olivier's departure in one of her editor's letter. Is that true ? Someone has it ?

 

[from: sophia]

ya she wrote like a few paragraphs on it I just started laughing because she seemed so angry. I can find that issue and type it up for you later on today.

 

[dior_couture1245]

NO! NOT HALSTON...are you kidding me? I know Anna loves Theyskens, but setting him up at Halston is doing Olivier no favors. He needs to start his own line up again...that's the only option I see for him now. Like I've said before, it's not good for his image to keep house hopping.

 

[Spike413]

You know what happens when you try and force two magnets with the same polarity together?

Yeah. That's all I can honestly think of with regards to that rumor.

I'm sticking to my guns on this. I just cannot fathom why anyone would think that Theyskens for Halston would be a good fit.

 

[fashionista-ta]

Anna loves him.
I've heard somewhere on tv that she did write something about Olivier's departure in one of her editor's letter. Is that true ? Someone has it ?

Here 'tis ... accompanied by a 2004 picture of him fitting a model (Hana) at Rochas, and a photo of one of his Nina Ricci designs.

But talent is a serious business. At Vogue, we do not take for granted the miraculous emergence, development, and ascendance of great artists. We depend on them for our livelihood. Without the likes of Mellen, Adele, or Beyonce and the smashing of the rules that their progress gloriously entails, there is no culture worth celebrating. Olivier Theyskens's recent departure from Nina Ricci suggests to me that the vital role of artistic talent has been obsured in the current economic climate. My staff and I were shocked to learn that Theyskens's contract would not be renewed; and I am very concerned that the business of fashion is undervaluing the most important asset our industry requires: creative visionaries. There's a reason we continue to see Theyskens's influence everywhere, from catwalks to the mall. He'll be back, but fashion must hold its nerve. This is the mission that we at Vogue happily shoulder.

Oh, the drama ...

Actually I'd like to see an analysis of the Theyskens influence she cites.

 

[Scott]

yeah i don't quite understand that quote. granted he has influenced but to say it's everywhere i don't see it. marc jacobs and balenciaga,yeah sure but olivier is still very niche,imo.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ Perhaps she's giving him credit for the entire neogothic trend, which I don't think would be quite accurate ...

OK, I did see one piece at Anthropologie that I thought was Theyskens-influenced, and Anthropologie is at the mall

 

[Jamess]

I think you have to look back at everything hes done (not the bizarre, self indulgent last 3 collections) to realise the voice he has had, and the impact hes had in fashion. His own line and his work at Rochas were incredibly influential and did introduce some references that you can still see today. There an article on him somewhere called Beautiful Dreamer that sums it up quite well, might be in this thread.

Even his first 2 collections for Ricci set a tone and had a massive influence on the highstreet for a short while (in the UK anyway...).

 

[educo]

Here 'tis ... accompanied by a 2004 picture of him fitting a model (Hana) at Rochas, and a photo of one of his Nina Ricci designs.



Oh, the drama ...

Actually I'd like to see an analysis of the Theyskens influence she cites.

That quote is absolutely INSANE. How can Anna have any say about any "creative visionaries" when she has watered down and basically destroyed American fashion as we know it??

How absolutely clueless and past due she is, thinking that Halston and Theyskens could actually work! I mean, are you SERIOUS Anna!?!

 

[fashionista-ta]

What I found most amusing about it is that she seems to feel that she and the Vogue staff are carrying out a mission equivalent to preserving democracy, ending global warming, and the like. I realize she is influential, but ... it's still just fashion

I am not that familiar with the Halston legacy, but from what I do know, I can't see any similarity between it and anything Theyskens has ever done.

 

[Scott]

That quote is absolutely INSANE. How can Anna have any say about any "creative visionaries" when she has watered down and basically destroyed American fashion as we know it??

How absolutely clueless and past due she is, thinking that Halston and Theyskens could actually work! I mean, are you SERIOUS Anna!?!

on both accounts,i didn't want to say it myself but i was thinking the same thing

ta-ta,it would fine if the woman actually promoted creativity rather than some homogenised,high-fashion catalogue. what does she think she's running i-D? if she thinks we buy that rubbish from the likes of her she's clearly as disillusioned as we think. she's no champion of creativity just somebody who likes to jump on the hype of the moment and take the credit for it.

 

[Lena]

i'm glad they kicked Theyskens out from Ricci and i'd scream if they give him the post at Halston
he's so NOT what Halston brand is all about

my main issue with his work, is bad fit, it was there at Rochas and it continued at Nina Ricci
i always wonderded why people think him as a 'genious'
i honestly find Theyskens uber over ratted

 

[from: sophia]

I just really want him to do his own line. He is one of my favorite designers and I think he would work a lot better without any baggage of a pre-existing brand.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ That's interesting, Lena. Can you illustrate what you mean?

 

[Milada]

What I found most amusing about it is that she seems to feel that she and the Vogue staff are carrying out a mission equivalent to preserving democracy, ending global warming, and the like. I realize she is influential, but ... it's still just fashion

I am not that familiar with the Halston legacy, but from what I do know, I can't see any similarity between it and anything Theyskens has ever done.

Yea, I may be completely off here, but the image I have a Halston is minimalism, where Theysken's is decadent embellishments and wistfulness. A match made in hell?

 

[Scott]

^loads of column gowns typically in monochrome.

 

[dior_couture1245]

Michael Kors is very Halston.

That should explain everything.

 

[from: sophia]

AKA Halston is as boring as a piece of lose leaf paper.

 

[Scott]

^heh

yeah,all i can say is that,he was never any kind of geoffrey beene or claire mccardell. not terrible but terribly overrated for the work he did,imo.

 

[Lena]

^ That's interesting, Lena. Can you illustrate what you mean?

i'm sure you've seen his work up close, so you know what i mean.. regardeless the media hype, there were not too many clients ready to pay for this trash

actually that's why he's not getting the Halston deal.
fashion companies are finally discovering that media hype is not enough.
they need real clients, with real money to spend.
fashion groupies and big time editorial pages are simply not enough anymore