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Discussion in 'Designers and Collections' started by vogue28, Sep 11, 2019.
I think Its more focused than their usual overworked offer. The Celine isms are still going strong. They should work harder on PS identity.
they used to have some sort of vision, not the most original but at least there was something. this is just a bunch of clothes, more interesting/nicer ones than what most designers are showing at nyfw but very forgettable.
Céline meets Clare’s Givenchy and current Marni.
Strong tailoring and still no personality...A bunch of non-sense dresses.
The hype is gone for them and unfortunately, they haven’t managed to create a substantial body of work.
I love this collection
Really love this! I think it's their strongest showing in a while. Reminds a bit of some of their earlier collections (S/S 09 in particular with the 80s nods). It's more paired down and wearable which is good change, but still fresh and elegant. A bit more sexy too. Hope they keep going in this direction.
I'll fall in line with Norden, Tatouejeremie and Lola701 on this.
These clothes are nice but they yearn and they reach SO HARD for that Celine aesthetic and language. It was tired out when Phoebe was doing it and it is even more so now. I suppose they think they'll fill her void but even Phoebe had moved on from this before she left the industry. Why are they still clinging on?
I think we all know the answer: they don't know where to take it next without another, more talented and original designer showing them the way.
They're sort of your typical, Type A New York Parsons graduates: great taste, very knowledgable, but can't think for themselves. That's harsh, but did you see the Parsons MFA show where the student blatantly copied Viktor & Rolf and they STILL let them show it on the runway?! The student would have been kicked off the course at St. Martins.
You can't help but wonder what the collection Jack and Lazaro should have designed actually looks like. This is just so forced, a bit over designed and so inauthentic. No matter how good it is, and some of it IS good, I just don't believe it.
Oh, so now not only do they want to fill the void after Céline, but also there's a lot of Bottega Veneta and Loewe going on. It's not funny anymore because those influences are so obvious yet those guys get some praise. It's just unbelievable at this point. They have no identity yet it's quite different than Sies Marjan. At least at Sies they try to work around the same codes. On the other hand there's Proenza waiting for another talented designer to come. Now they seem to love Daniel Lee too much.
Considering their last few shows this is amazing. Not original in the slightest, not what I would call exciting or relevant BUT they're clothes and they're pleasing to look at. It has that 80's cool gallerist vibe that Pheobe and J.W. did so well and it I'm not risking permanent blindness from looking at it, that's progress for me.
wow. this is shocking. they can get away with this ?
I've always had a hard time telling what their vision is but I respect them for showing technical ability and design knowledge in their work. I may get mocked for saying that but it is evident that they at least have proficiency. They just are derivative, as previous posters in this thread have stated.
Well, Céline isn’t Céline anymore so what’s wrong with them trying to snatch up their old customers?
It's an improvement from the last few collections they have put out.
There’s Bottega Veneta for that....
No need to go to Proenza Schouler to have copies of Phoebe’s Celine when you can literally buy the real deal if you’re into it.
Considering that they have no identity (they copied Nicolas Ghesquiere heavily before), why invest in it?
That’s how I feel, it’s too inauthentic. I’d feel like I was buying second rate.
Didn’t Jack punch Keifer Sutherland once? Highlight of their career.