Punk

[Brazilian Girl]

Sure, I wasn't denying it. So I think I've misunderstood your post! Surely things went downhill but to me it wasn't all Nancy's fault beacuse she didn't forced him, she didn't put a needle into his vein as the majoristy of people wish to belive!

ah sure, I definitely agree with that!

 

[Nemova]

I have a CD that contains about 15 interviews with the Pistols, recorded in between 1976 and 1978 (including the infamous Bill Grundy interview!). And actually listening to what these boys had to say, it really changes your perspective. You get the feeling that they were just nice young guys, trying to have fun and do their music. And provoke, of course. Stir things up.

It's funny that you mentioned it because some time ago I noticed that many of the people who were in punk bands we're nice, family guys (at least the ones from England), as opposed to their aggressive public image. Johnny Rotten loved his mother to death (literally) and has been married to the same woman for +20 years. Dave Vanian was the perfect mother's son, and Paul Simonon (as well as Rat Scabies and Joe Strummer) is your average family guy, with two kids and a 16-year marriage.

Not really related to what you said, but it got me thinking.

 

[gius]

Some interesting stuff on it can be found at Wikipedia

- PUNK
- GOTHIC

It's like they are brother and sister. --Comes with photos!

 

[La bordélique]

Anyone watched The Filth and Fury? It was very touching and many scenes changed my perspective of the Sex Pistols. I always enjoyed their music, but this documentary made me like them even more.

John Lydon said the fans kind of ruined it all. Dressing up in leather jackets and bondage pants... missing the point of being themselves.

 

[skinny_boho]

^ I just watched The Great Rock'n'Roll swindle, which was worse than what I expected

 

[cardboardboxed]

Anyone watched The Filth and Fury? It was very touching and many scenes changed my perspective of the Sex Pistols. I always enjoyed their music, but this documentary made me like them even more.

John Lydon said the fans kind of ruined it all. Dressing up in leather jackets and bondage pants... missing the point of being themselves.

I'm a big sex pistols fan, but that documentary made NO SENSE at all to me. Well some of it was redeeming i guess. It was okay. Not something I'd recommend unless you're a die hard sex pistols fan. Otherwise you'd prob be confused or bored.

 

[Brazilian Girl]

It's funny that you mentioned it because some time ago I noticed that many of the people who were in punk bands we're nice, family guys (at least the ones from England), as opposed to their aggressive public image. Johnny Rotten loved his mother to death (literally) and has been married to the same woman for +20 years. Dave Vanian was the perfect mother's son, and Paul Simonon (as well as Rat Scabies and Joe Strummer) is your average family guy, with two kids and a 16-year marriage.

Not really related to what you said, but it got me thinking.

I totally agree with you!!
People made such a fuss about their oh-so agressive behaviour, that they really missed the point of the whole thing; these people didn't really know what was going on under the surface (or they did but chose to ignore it), so they'd just be judgemental and say "oh these crazy dirty punks".

 

[RobbertJan]

haha I know, I was being ironic! (I had put this lol smiley instead of the shrug, but I thought it was a bit morbid, since they're both... dead and all. )
I don't care much about the whole Sid & Nancy thing because I don't think we're ever gonna know what really went on.
However, he was a different guy before he met Nancy, that's undeniable. After they got together, things just went downhill for him (as a person, and consequently as musician).

in my opinion sid vicious was never a musician. he couldn't even play an instrument, nor could he sing (very nicely demonstrated on sid sings...). i regard sid vicious as one of the biggest losers rock has ever had. if one pistol was under the influence of mclaren and did staged things it was sid. then he got so stoned in his hotelroom his girlfriend ended up dead. the world is a better place without him.

that being said, i think john lydon was the only pistol with real musical vision. you can put it one way or another, but the pistols were more image and outrage than music. lydon however made one of the best records ever with Pil's metal box.

 

[the-smiths]

I love the 70's and 80's punk music. I don't listen to it that much anymore, but I still pay a lot of respect to all the classics like The Clash, The Sex Pistols, New York Dolls, Dead Kennedys, Ramones, and just many more.

 

[jennifer~]

- GOTHIC

It's like they are brother and sister. --Comes with photos!

I had never seen that Siouxsie cover before

 

[Alexandra8715]

Hey I think someone mentioned Dada earlier on. Here's a quick summary I wrote for my as part of an essay of Surrealism. It's not that great but it gives you a quick idea of Dada and how it relates to the punk movement.

Dada grew as a reaction to the insanity and horrors of the First World War’s casual slaughters of soldiers and as a result adopted an essentially nihilistic outlook, rejecting the “reason” that had led to the war and the belief that human beings could ever be rational creatures. Dada rejected any idea of tradition including the idea of artistic traditions so is therefore known as anti-art. The Dadaists embraced absurdity and ridiculousness in their art as a way of rejecting rationalism. The term ‘Dada’ itself has no real meaning or significance as it means ‘hobby-horse’ although others think it is baby-talk. Although abstraction and expressionism were the main influences on Dada, there was no predominant medium used in Dada art. However assemblage, collage, photomontage and the use of ready made objects gained wide acceptance in Dadaist art.

I think you'll agree there are a few similarities in there with punk and Dada. Especially the rejection of tradition (anarchy in the UK anyone?), the nihilistic outlook and the use of collage and ready made objects. The use of newspaper cutting, ransom style lettering etc is a predominant punk style.
Look up the Dada artist Raoul Hausmann for his collages and Marcel Duchamp when he drew a moustache on the Mona Lisa if you want pictures to explain what I mean by the similarities. (not sure if they worked? credit:scanned in from Dada centre pompidou book)

 

[Alexandra8715]

i can't do pictures!!! has this worked?? oooh yay. sorry. anyways credit as above.

 

[vy88]

has anyone noticed how punk clothing changed from the seventies to now....I mean look at how the Damned, the Clash, Sex Pistols, and the Ramones wore their clothes and compared to today

 

[Nemova]

has anyone noticed how punk clothing changed from the seventies to now....I mean look at how the Damned, the Clash, Sex Pistols, and the Ramones wore their clothes and compared to today

It began when punk became trendy. In the 70's it was a lifestyle and an attitude, but with the 90's revival it was all about the looks - i.e. grunge, Green Day, The Offspring etc.

 

[Colette_B]

Hey I think someone mentioned Dada earlier on. Here's a quick summary I wrote for my as part of an essay of Surrealism. It's not that great but it gives you a quick idea of Dada and how it relates to the punk movement.

Dada grew as a reaction to the insanity and horrors of the First World War’s casual slaughters of soldiers and as a result adopted an essentially nihilistic outlook, rejecting the “reason” that had led to the war and the belief that human beings could ever be rational creatures. Dada rejected any idea of tradition including the idea of artistic traditions so is therefore known as anti-art. The Dadaists embraced absurdity and ridiculousness in their art as a way of rejecting rationalism. The term ‘Dada’ itself has no real meaning or significance as it means ‘hobby-horse’ although others think it is baby-talk. Although abstraction and expressionism were the main influences on Dada, there was no predominant medium used in Dada art. However assemblage, collage, photomontage and the use of ready made objects gained wide acceptance in Dadaist art.

I think you'll agree there are a few similarities in there with punk and Dada. Especially the rejection of tradition (anarchy in the UK anyone?), the nihilistic outlook and the use of collage and ready made objects. The use of newspaper cutting, ransom style lettering etc is a predominant punk style.
Look up the Dada artist Raoul Hausmann for his collages and Marcel Duchamp when he drew a moustache on the Mona Lisa if you want pictures to explain what I mean by the similarities. (not sure if they worked? credit:scanned in from Dada centre pompidou book)

Yes, I definatley agree with you. There are lots of similarities with Punk and Dada movements... The abstract poetry of Hugo Ball also brings to mind the defiance and humor that personifies the attitudes of both movements...

 

[skinny_boho]

I love so much the rise of the punk movement in London at the end on the 70's, something was going to be born, the air was burning and you could clearly feel it

It was a great pop/social revolution and it's so sad that people now have comercialized it

... and I'm really sorry to say but PUNK IS DEAD. Times have changed, people and society are different now. It was a social movemement born and raised in a precise moment of the social history, a moment that it's been.

 

[Elegance.Is.Refusal.]

i must say i saw anti-flag this weekend at leeds festival and they keep the political punk genre alive rather than just being a band that aims to make money or just to call themselves punk for the sake of it.

plus they have that raw energy that you cant beat at a gig.

although i must say punk has gone very main stream and there are alot of people who try to dress punk without getting the whole meaning.

 

[skinny_boho]

although i must say punk has gone very main stream and there are alot of people who try to dress punk without getting the whole meaning.

This is so true and gets me so upset!! It's more then a simpe fashion style, people should be educated to it!

 

[Elegance.Is.Refusal.]

its like grunge its lost its meaning which is sad.

i try to educate people about these things but they just dont seem to care! i love the reasons behind these movements because they are not superfical like so many others.

 

[skinny_boho]

^exactly, there's a story behind them. I'm not into grunge at all and I don't know it, so I can only speak for punk, it wasn't a purely musical movement, music was a decoration, a way to let a whole generation speak about itself and its issues in that moment in that place.
And it's kinda fun to think that in London it all started by a boutique...