Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

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Back then r*pe was the sort of crime that it was easy to get away with, as it was considered extremely harmful for the victim to publicly report, and she would inevitably be described as being of poor moral character unless she was a 90-yr-old nun or an 8-yr-old child. So victims were twice-punished, or in the case of this poor girl, repeatedly, over the decades.

This is sadly true and is likely at the crux of the prosecution's decision at the time to allow him to plead guilty to "unlawful sex with a minor" (with the initial understanding that he would serve 6 weeks in jail and then get probation), and not bring the more serious charges against him. The 13 year old victim would have been put on trial, and the case may well have resulted in an acquittal.

Fortunately, the American legal system is now more sympathetic to r*pe victims.
 
If the woman called for Polanski to get the death penalty, would people still be so interested in letting her decide how to handle the case? And where were all of these "supportive" people who cared about her feelings when Polanski first fled?
 
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NEW YORK (CNN) -- When filmmaker Roman Polanski was arrested Saturday in Switzerland, he was on his way to accept an award for Lifetime Achievement at the Zurich Film Festival.
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Peers of Roman Polanski have praised him for his talent and lamented his arrest.


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Polanski's friend, Swiss filmmaker Otto Weisser, was among the first to publicly run to his defense.
"This is for me a shock. I am ashamed to be Swiss, that the Swiss is doing such a thing to brilliant fantastic genius, that millions and millions of people love his work," Weisser said upon learning the director had been detained by Swiss authorities. "He's a brilliant guy, and he made a little mistake 32 years ago. What a shame for Switzerland."
By Tuesday, more than 130 heavyweights in the movie industry had taken up Polanski's cause.
An online petition has been signed by directors such as Marin Scorsese, Woody Allen and Pedro Almodovar, as well as actors.
Studio chief Harvey Weinstein told CNN in a statement: "We are calling every filmmaker we can to help fix this terrible situation."
Roman Polanski first stormed Hollywood with his psychological thriller, "Rosemary's Baby," in 1968. He remains one of the most celebrated directors in Hollywood and the world, despite not having set foot in the United States in more than three decades.

"We stand by and await his release and his next masterwork," said Zurich Film Festival Jury President Debra Winger on Monday on behalf of Polanski.
Adrien Brody, who Polanski directed in 2002's "The Pianist," had glowing words when it came to his experience working with Polanski.
"If you have the guidance from someone you admire, like Roman Polanski, who not only is a gifted director and actor, but who knows the subject matter and in my opinion the character that I portray, implicitly, then, it's a huge gift," Brody said.
"I learned a great deal about film and the process," the Academy Award winning actor added. "I spent six weeks without another actor on the set, just Roman and I and a crew -- and that's, that's a dream come true for an actor. I cherished those memories."
"He is sweet and very strong and is very, very demanding, in the tradition of an auteur," said Sigourney Weaver about being directed by Polanski in 1994's "Death and the Maiden."
It's a reputation Polanski's earned and maintained, despite his 1977 guilty plea on a statutory r*pe charge of unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl.
The celebrated director fled the United States and settled in France to escape jail, but by the standards of those in Hollywood, the case is ancient history.
"We hope today that this latest order will be dropped," Winger said. "It is based on a three decade old case that is all but dead, except for a minor technicality."
Matthew Belloni, who has has been following the Polanski case for The Hollywood Reporter's legal blog, said the outpouring of support from the film industry is not surprising.
"It is a criminal conviction of a terrible crime, but it is something that the industry is willing to look the other way on," Belloni said. "If Hollywood really gets to look at itself and judge the personal character of a lot of the artists in the community, there would be a lot of empty seats at the Oscars because a lot of people have personal problems. This sort of is at the extreme level of that."
As Polanski's star rose after his Oscar-winning hit, "Rosemary's Baby," the world got to know the director's back story.
He was the son of Polish Jews whose mother died in a concentration camp even as a young Polanski escaped the Nazis.
Polanski grew up to become a famous director and married actress Sharon Tate. He later became the object of national sympathy when Tate was murdered by the Charles Manson Family in 1969.
His next big movie, 1974's "Chinatown," was nominated for 11 Oscars. That success gave Hollywood its heroic tag line for Polanski: Tragic survivor moves on.
Actors from his films said they have felt a certain empathy as they are directed by him.
"Roman was one of those poor Krakow ghetto children who had to hide in the latrine," said Sir Ben Kingsley, who starred with Weaver in "Death and the Maiden."
Brody hailed Polanski for his survival, even in the face of being separated from his parents and losing his mother at Auschwitz.
"He survived alone, basically, in hiding," Brody said. "It's one of the many things I feel he's overcome, and what's wonderful about Roman is that although he's experienced some tragic things in his life, he also has this unbroken spirit."
After the r*pe case, American authorities sought his arrest, but he continued to work around the world on movies such as "Tess" and "The Ninth Gate," traveling to film festivals and movie sets.
But it was in 2002 when Polanski rocketed back onto the public stage, with "The Pianist."
The Holocaust film won the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival, igniting a buzz culminating in three Oscars in 2003, including best actor for Brody and best director for Polanski. Harrison Ford accepted the award in his absence. The crowd at the Kodak Theater roared.
The Hollywood Reporter's Belloni explained Hollywood's readiness to forgive. "Look at some of the people who have been involved with scandals," Belloni said. "
"Everyone from Michael Vick, who is now playing football again, to Mel Gibson, who has been involved in a lot of scandals, now he's working again. America is a very, very forgiving culture, and Hollywood itself. If you are a talent, the industry is willing in many ways to look the other way."
And the industry isn't alone in wanting to put the past aside.



Polanski's victim, Samantha Geimer, told CNN's Larry King in 2003, that she wished the story and the case had ended, soon after it began three decades ago.
"The publicity was so traumatic and so horrible his punishment was secondary to just getting this whole thing to stop," Geimer said. "It was crazy. I never wanted him to go to jail."
 
I believe they're addressing that facts that it was 30 years ago, the Judge screwed up, the victim doesn't want anything more to do with this, and there are more pressing issues for the system to be dealing with.

All the more reason for him to go through some form of judicial process in 2009 and get the matter officially sorted. Whatever is established in the process - and whatever the outcome is - that's for the court to decide.

But to not engage in some interaction with the case is to forever leave the situation festering for... how much longer? Because it hasn't gone away in the intervening years. Polanski ignoring it hasn't brought any new official change in the status of the case. It's like he's had his head in the sand for decades. He has his chance now to sort out whatever needs sorted. He doesn't have to keep running. He is a man with the resources and now the opportunity to bring this case to a proper closure. There's no need for his continued evasion.
 
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If the woman called for Polanski to get the death penalty, would people still be so interested in letting her decide how to handle the case? And where were all of these "supportive" people who cared about her feelings when Polanski first fled?
Excellent points.
 
I don't believe anyone is excusing anything.

I believe they're addressing that facts that it was 30 years ago, the Judge screwed up, the victim doesn't want anything more to do with this, and there are more pressing issues for the system to be dealing with.

You don't know that the "judge screwed up." If you don't understand the process of the legal system in the U.S., I suggest you refrain from accusing anyone of wrong-doing.

The fact is quite simple, but b/c he's Roman Polanski, people are throwing excuses for him left and right.

Let justice be served regardless of passage of time or the victim desiring to be left alone. What would be the better use of the system than to detain a fugitive that has been living the lap of luxury for 30 years?
 
this is a political power game, whether the Swiss government to maintain good neighborly relations with the French or turn to the states.
i'd like to know how certain people feel about this like Nastassja Kinski, Angelika Houston or Jack Nicholson.i don't think i saw any of them in the petition, but most of the Hollywood is still quiet.
 
this is a political power game, whether the Swiss government to maintain good neighborly relations with the French or turn to the states.
i'd like to know how certain people feel about this like Nastassja Kinski, Angelika Houston or Jack Nicholson.i don't think i saw any of them in the petition, but most of the Hollywood is still quiet.

Polanski had a well-known affair with Natassija Kinski, while making Tess. This famous Thomas Hardy novel tells the story of innocence sullied by the r*pe of a young girl by a wealthy man. Both their lives, and the lives of many people around them, were ruined by his selfish violent act.

She (Kinski) has stated that, as a child, she felt exploited by the industry and told a journalist from W Magazine, "If I had had somebody to protect me or if I had felt more secure about myself, I would not have accepted certain things. Nudity things. And inside it was just tearing me apart". [4]
 
You don't know that the "judge screwed up." If you don't understand the process of the legal system in the U.S., I suggest you refrain from accusing anyone of wrong-doing.

If you read a couple of the articles I first posted at the beginning of this thread, you'll see references to Judicial misconduct and possible corruption from a prosecutor.

The Judge screwed up. Once a plea deal is worked out, judges have very little discretion in accepting or rejecting them.
 
Just a point about the people signing this petition for him - most of them will know him personally, and they will know a different side of him to what the victim saw.

It is, unfortunately, hard for some people to be objective about some body they know and even respect mainly because they can't or won't believe something about them they don't want to accept.

On a more serious note, I know from the exerience of a family friend who was a foster parent for years many times the childrens family and friends would not accept the fact of what had happened - because they weren't there, because they didn't see anything suspicous or simply just because they just couldn't see the accused abuser doing anything like that.

It's easy to make excuses for people you know and i'm not saying it is right or acceptable or defending anybodys actions - just wanted to point out a sad fact in life.
 
Polanski had a well-known affair with Natassija Kinski, while making Tess. This famous Thomas Hardy novel tells the story of innocence sullied by the r*pe of a young girl by a wealthy man. Both their lives, and the lives of many people around them, were ruined by his selfish violent act. (Kinski) has stated that, as a child, she felt exploited by the industry and told a journalist from W Magazine, "If I had had somebody to protect me or if I had felt more secure about myself, I would not have accepted certain things. Nudity things. And inside it was just tearing me apart". [4]
That's so sad.

...Once a plea deal is worked out, judges have very little discretion in accepting or rejecting them.
Actually, the court has broad discretion to throw out a plea agreement. It is a check/balance to protect both the people and the defendant.

He spent about 45 days, the judge had second thoughts on the plea bargain (because that seemed very lenient) and was going to send him back for a total of 90.
At the time, Polanski said he would rather die than complete his sentence.
 
If you read a couple of the articles I first posted at the beginning of this thread, you'll see references to Judicial misconduct and possible corruption from a prosecutor.

The Judge screwed up. Once a plea deal is worked out, judges have very little discretion in accepting or rejecting them.

That is not true at all. Plea deals may be worked out between the prosecutor and defendant, but it is subject to the approval and discretion of the presiding judge. The judge felt the plea bargain -- considering the severity of the crime -- was too lenient. Rightfully so.

I'm not sure what country you are from, but that is the judicial system in the US.
 
The only thing that i want to say is : Leave Polanski Alone !!

Read this letter of the victim, Samantha Geimer,entirely ...

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/feb/23/opinion/oe-geimer23

I met Roman Polanski in 1977, when I was 13 years old. I was in ninth grade that year, when he told my mother that he wanted to shoot pictures of me for a French magazine. That's what he said, but instead, after shooting pictures of me at Jack Nicholson's house on Mulholland Drive, he did something quite different. He gave me champagne and a piece of a Quaalude. And then he took advantage of me.

It was not consensual sex by any means. I said no, repeatedly, but he wouldn't take no for an answer. I was alone and I didn't know what to do. It was scary and, looking back, very creepy. Those may sound like kindergarten words, but that's the way it feels to me. It was a very long time ago, and it is hard to remember exactly the way everything happened. But I've had to repeat the story so many times, I know it by heart.


We pressed charges, and he pleaded guilty. A plea bargain was agreed to by his lawyer, my lawyer and the district attorney, and it was approved by the judge. But to our amazement, at the last minute the judge went back on his word and refused to honor the deal.
Worried that he was going to have to spend 50 years in prison -- rather than just time already served -- Mr. Polanski fled the country. He's never been back, and I haven't seen him or spoken to him since.


Looking back, there can be no question that he did something awful. It was a terrible thing to do to a young girl. But it was also 25 years ago -- 26 years next month. And, honestly, the publicity surrounding it was so traumatic that what he did to me seemed to pale in comparison.



Now that he's been nominated for an Academy Award, it's all being reopened. I'm being asked: Should he be given the award? Should he be rewarded for his behavior? Should he be allowed back into the United States after fleeing 25 years ago?
Here's the way I feel about it: I don't really have any hard feelings toward him, or any sympathy, either. He is a stranger to me.


But I believe that Mr. Polanski and his film should be honored according to the quality of the work. What he does for a living and how good he is at it have nothing to do with me or what he did to me. I don't think it would be fair to take past events into consideration. I think that the academy members should vote for the movies they feel deserve it. Not for people they feel are popular.


And should he come back? I have to imagine he would rather not be a fugitive and be able to travel freely. Personally, I would like to see that happen. He never should have been put in the position that led him to flee. He should have received a sentence of time served 25 years ago, just as we all agreed. At that time, my lawyer, Lawrence Silver, wrote to the judge that the plea agreement should be accepted and that that guilty plea would be sufficient contrition to satisfy us. I have not changed my mind.


I know there is a price to pay for running. But who wouldn't think about running when facing a 50-year sentence from a judge who was clearly more interested in his own reputation than a fair judgment or even the well-being of the victim?
If he could resolve his problems, I'd be happy. I hope that would mean I'd never have to talk about this again. Sometimes I feel like we both got a life sentence.


My attitude surprises many people. That's because they didn't go through it all; they don't know everything that I know. People don't understand that the judge went back on his word. They don't know how unfairly we were all treated by the press. Talk about feeling violated! The media made that year a living hell, and I've been trying to put it behind me ever since.
Today, I am very happy with my life. I have three sons and a husband. I live in a beautiful place and I enjoy my work. What more could I ask for? No one needs to worry about me.


The one thing that bothers me is that what happened to me in 1977 continues to happen to girls every day, yet people are interested in me because Mr. Polanski is a celebrity. That just never seems right to me. It makes me feel guilty that this attention is directed at me, when there are certainly others out there who could really use it.
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Editor's note: The Times' usual practice is not to name victims of sexual crimes. Samantha Geimer's name is used here with her consent.
 
The only thing that i want to say is : Leave Polanski Alone !!

Read this letter of the victim, Samantha Geimer,entirely ...

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/feb/23/opinion/oe-geimer23

It doesn't matter if the victim has moved on. Law is not here just to give justice to victims, it is to uphold basic standards of society to make it safe for other people. Everyone has to follow the law, no one can slide.

I am sure you would not be supporting him if he wasn't a famous director. Sure of it.
 
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also -like someone said- forget that she was 13, it was r*pe. Do Polanski supporters defend r*pe?

Of course the victim wants to move on, who wouldn´t? but the crime is no less punishable as if it was yesterday or if it was 30 years ago, or if it was the neighbour next door or a famour director...

That director friend of his said that Polanski "made a little mistake" it´s not like he shoplifted, he raped someone. Go say that to the victim or her family...

In a way what´s worse is that he went to Switzerland to receive an award, if you´re a fugitive don´t go around flamboyantly, at least make sure that the country you´re in doesn´t have extradition laws...

I honestly don´t understand why people defend him so much regarding this and why they think that he shouldn´t face the consequences of what he did :huh:
 
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Reading through this thread makes me realize how sick this world is. He's guilty of doing something inexcusable, and he fled so he needs to be locked up. It could've happened 50 years ago. Just because he's a famous director does not mean that he can/should get away with stuff like this.
 
People don't understand that the judge went back on his word.

The terms of the original sentence could be just as suspect as any subsequent change to it. The judge 'changing his mind' could have been him moving towards a sentence that more adequately reflected the crime, you can't say. And a change - an increase or decrease - in the length of someone's sentence happens all the time, it's affected by all sorts of factors.

All these things would be clarified in a new case where everything gets re-evaluated. I see little reason why Polanski cannot undergo that process. At the end of it, he might walk out of court, he might not. But at least he would face the issue at last.
 
CNN.com

Nicholson was not at home, but his girlfriend at the time, actress Anjelica Huston, was.
According to a probation report contained in the filing, Huston described the victim as "sullen."
"She appeared to be one of those kind of little chicks between -- could be any age up to 25. She did not look like a 13-year-old scared little thing," Huston said.
She added that Polanski did not strike her as the type of man who would force himself on a young girl.

One wonders what her other house guests did with young girls. Note: see picture of victim a few posts back to see if you think she looked 25.


http://www.films42.com/tribute/polanski.asp
Shortly after Polanski returned to Europe, the press went into a tizzy when they realize that he had been dating Nastassja Kinski (daughter of famous German actor Klaus Kinski) since she was 15. At one point, Polanski, who is only five-foot-five, remarked, “I am widely regarded, I know, as an evil, profligate dwarf.”
Polanski did not really suffer in exile. In 1979, backers poured $12 million into his excellent costume drama TESS, which was then the most expensive film ever made in France.
 
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