Sabato De Sarno - Designer

[philophile]

I have been lurking this forum for months and honestly, I do not feel like commenting here much mostly because of the type of person who normally posts something in here: a bunch of super bitter extremely conservative, upper middle class, middle-aged women (I am middle-aged too, btw) who are incredibly privileged complaining about 'wokeness' and anything that doesn't remind them of their old 'glory' days when they were younger.

I am 44 and I think fashion has evolved a lot. If you really want to look for amazing fashion, you will find it. But most people here stick to Gucci, Dior, Chanel and the same old same old who have been doing the same old same old since forever. I honestly feel people of this sort do not really love fashion, they love status symbols. Gucci is and will always be Fugly fashion with fugly logos to flaunt in others' people's faces. Sorry, that's who I am.

I've been happily buying Christopher Esber, Magda Butrym, Peter Do, Khaite and plan to buy me some Alaia next season, because I think Pieter Mulier has given the house what it needed. If you don't appreciate Christopher Esber's artisanry and craftsmanship, you don't simply like fashion and all the beautiful things it is all about. Now, if you excuse me, I have better things to do than joining a place where people are dedicated to destroy other human beings.

 

[tigerrouge]

Now, if you excuse me, I have better things to do than joining a place where people are dedicated to destroy other human beings.

You joined. So you don't have better things to do. Settle in, make friends, have fun.

 

[LadyJunon]

I have been lurking this forum for months and honestly, I do not feel like commenting here much mostly because of the type of person who normally posts something in here: a bunch of super bitter extremely conservative, upper middle class, middle-aged women (I am middle-aged too, btw) who are incredibly privileged complaining about 'wokeness' and anything that doesn't remind them of their old 'glory' days when they were younger.

I am 44 and I think fashion has evolved a lot. If you really want to look for amazing fashion, you will find it. But most people here stick to Gucci, Dior, Chanel and the same old same old who have been doing the same old same old since forever. I honestly feel people of this sort do not really love fashion, they love status symbols. Gucci is and will always be Fugly fashion with fugly logos to flaunt in others' people's faces. Sorry, that's who I am.

I've been happily buying Christopher Esber, Magda Butrym, Peter Do, Khaite and plan to buy me some Alaia next season, because I think Pieter Mulier has given the house what it needed. If you don't appreciate Christopher Esber's artisanry and craftsmanship, you don't simply like fashion and all the beautiful things it is all about. Now, if you excuse me, I have better things to do than joining a place where people are dedicated to destroy other human beings.

I mostly come here to escape the toxic positivity/negativity on other platforms.

Cattiness aside, I feel like I've learned more about fashion (as an art and a business) here than any other place.

 

[gallianostan]

I have been lurking this forum for months and honestly, I do not feel like commenting here much mostly because of the type of person who normally posts something in here: a bunch of super bitter extremely conservative, upper middle class, middle-aged women (I am middle-aged too, btw) who are incredibly privileged complaining about 'wokeness' and anything that doesn't remind them of their old 'glory' days when they were younger.

i am neither conservative, middle-aged or a woman. i'm a dude whose only two years into his twenties but i know talent when i see it. the designers that my generation now reveres (van herpen, dilara, roseberry, peter do, harris reed, etc.) don't touch the designers of yesteryear. i joined this site because it's full of refreshing, alternative and well-articulated critical takes which don't participate in the hf-twitter-tiktok circlejerk that fashion journalism in 2023 has become. we just have fairly high standards here and we're actually able to justify why. as for the whole "wokeness" thing - if you're seriously implying that politics and diversity intiatives aren't massively prioritised over genuine design talent, innovation and technical finesse you're very, very wrong.

also "if you excuse me, I have better things to do than joining a place where people are dedicated to destroy other human beings" is f*cking hilarious because you've already joined LOOL

 

[philophile]

i am neither conservative, middle-aged or a woman. i'm a dude whose only two years into his twenties but i know talent when i see it. the designers that my generation now reveres (van herpen, dilara, roseberry, peter do, harris reed, etc.) don't touch the designers of yesteryear. i joined this site because it's full of refreshing, alternative and well-articulated critical takes which don't participate in the hf-twitter-tiktok circlejerk that fashion journalism in 2023 has become. we just have fairly high standards here and we're actually able to justify why. as for the whole "wokeness" thing - if you're seriously implying that politics and diversity intiatives aren't massively prioritised over genuine design talent, innovation and technical finesse you're very, very wrong.

also "if you excuse me, I have better things to do than joining a place where people are dedicated to destroy other human beings" is f*cking hilarious because you've already joined LOOL

Iris van Herpen doesn't touch the designers of yesteryear? Wow! I watched Alexander McQueen shows back in the 90's and honestly, IvH makes the most beautiful fashion I have ever seen. 'Alternative' is the last description that I would consider from this forum's takes, mind you, because I know a thing or two about what alternative is, especially when the same established brands/fashion titans get mentioned all over the place. And it's easy to say quoting Dior in every second sentence is having 'high standards'. Sure, these brands have the biggest budget of all, but never will the design of the established fashion titans compare to authentic experimental labels. That's what Margiela was back in the day.
22 years old is the exact age most trolls in the internet are. I love how you think you are above your age, but it's more common than you will ever know to see such a thing, I've been getting this type of 'protest' messages for 20 years. All you want is to be accepted in a niche and not seen for who you really are, but someone so above your age for sticking to the majority's opinion. You're so groundbreaking.

 

[philophile]

You joined. So you don't have better things to do. Settle in, make friends, have fun.

I did join, it doesn't mean I will stay. Be sure I have better ambitions in life than to be accepted by what I've experienced in +10 years to be the most vapid people in any industry. I still need psychotherapy from the all the trauma I've been exposed to from fashion people and I guarantee you I am not a masochist. I so much prefer drawing and creating art than all of this. Just because I write a comment doesn't mean I will be a regular. I simply wanted to take some things out of my chest. I expected better from this forum.

 

[jeanclaude]

I still need psychotherapy from the all the trauma I've been exposed to from fashion people and I guarantee you I am not a masochist.

I hope Christopher Esber next collection is focused on black leather.

 

[philophile]

I hope Christopher Esber next collection is focused on black leather.

Regardless of how funny you think you are, actually, I am really into black leather, so I wouldn't cry about it. In fact, I would totally be into it. Black leather doesn't only symbolize masochism and S&M, it's also a symbol of punk, rock, and alternative, so sign me in!

 

[jeanclaude]

Regardless of how funny you think you are, actually, I am really into black leather, so I wouldn't cry about it. In fact, I would totally be into it. Black leather doesn't only symbolize masochism and S&M, it's also a symbol of punk, rock, and alternative, so sign me in!

WOW! You are so rebel and wild, joining TFS to rant about bitter people...when you are also bitter as well!

 

[philophile]

WOW! You are so rebel and wild, joining TFS to rant about bitter people...when you are also bitter as well!

Wow! And you are here to rant about bitter people who are ranting about bitter people? Doesn't that raise your bitter status even more?

 

[jeanclaude]

Wow! And you are here to rant about bitter people who are ranting about bitter people? Doesn't that raise your bitter status even more?

See? You have confirmed you are bitter too! So don´t come here trying to lecture us about how "bad" we are for saying we don´t like nowadays fashion.

 

[philophile]

See? You have confirmed you are bitter too! So don´t come here trying to lecture us about how "bad" we are for saying we don´t like nowadays fashion.

Babe, 2023 has been the worst year in fashion ever. I do not complain about how bad fashion is nowadays, I simply don't want to join this forum in the long term because the same brands and designers are mentioned all over the place all of the time, without acknowledging the real few talents you do see. That's just conservativism, not just plain old blindness. You can call me bitter for seeing the few actual talented people these days, but I assure you, you are the real bitter one for not wanting to see any.

 

[Deleted member 116957]

I did join, it doesn't mean I will stay. Be sure I have better ambitions in life than to be accepted by what I've experienced in +10 years to be the most vapid people in any industry. I still need psychotherapy from the all the trauma I've been exposed to from fashion people and I guarantee you I am not a masochist. I so much prefer drawing and creating art than all of this. Just because I write a comment doesn't mean I will be a regular. I simply wanted to take some things out of my chest. I expected better from this forum.

Oh my god, it's a f*cking internet forum. Please... stop with the hysterics.

 

[philophile]

Oh my god, it's a f*cking internet forum. Please... stop with the hysterics.

Oh my god, so you are actually telling me to stop with the hysterics in 2023, when it's was an common medical diagnosis for women over a century back? Thank you for confirming what I have already established from this forum. 🌹

 

[LadyJunon]

I'm going to disappear myself before this elevates to the point that mods have to intervene. I'll be on Instagram simping for Mulier's Alaïa if anyone wants to join me.

 

[philophile]

Weirdly, I would have expected all of this from some catty group of women. It has been mostly males attacking me. I love how intimidated they still are by female voices. You go, boys! I'll be on Instagram simping for Mulier's Alaïa and I do not mind doing it all alone.

 

[jeanclaude]

Babe, 2023 has been the worst year in fashion ever. I do not complain about how bad fashion is nowadays, I simply don't want to join this forum in the long term because the same brands and designers are mentioned all over the place all of the time, without acknowledging the real few talents you do see. That's just conservativism, not just plain old blindness. You can call me bitter for seeing the few actual talented people these days, but I assure you, you are the real bitter one for not wanting to see any.

Babe, you said you are on psychotherapy to try to cope with all your fashion people traumas. Bad news: if you are here venting all your inner rage with strangers, you need to change your psychologist. The therapy clearly is not working!

 

[gallianostan]

Iris van Herpen doesn't touch the designers of yesteryear? Wow! I watched Alexander McQueen shows back in the 90's and honestly, IvH makes the most beautiful fashion I have ever seen. 'Alternative' is the last description that I would consider from this forum's takes, mind you, because I know a thing or two about what alternative is, especially when the same established brands/fashion titans get mentioned all over the place. And it's easy to say quoting Dior in every second sentence is having 'high standards'. Sure, these brands have the biggest budget of all, but never will the design of the established fashion titans compare to authentic experimental labels. That's what Margiela was back in the day.
22 years old is the exact age most trolls in the internet are. I love how you think you are above your age, but it's more common than you will ever know to see such a thing, I've been getting this type of 'protest' messages for 20 years. All you want is to be accepted in a niche and not seen for who you really are, but someone so above your age for sticking to the majority's opinion. You're so groundbreaking.

fill it in and leave

 

[Nimsay]

IvH is such circus energy. To compare her to McQ lets me know youre on clown-time. Its giving Twitter…


as fashion lovers its our job to demand the finest seam work available. IvH is barely seamwork and not even fashion. Its just costumes. You not knowing the difference is clown-time. McQ was a master at using seam to put fabric together. There is no comparison.

Haute Couture is the highest tier of fashion because its literally making 90 Pateks and showing them 2 times a year. Then after that the brands that make HC automatically get higher status RTW bc they can use HC technique. It all goes back to HC being the top level. Brands that dont have Custom Tailoring cannot charge as much. Its a sign of skill.


Anyway on that scale those brands you mentioned are like Bridge Designer to me. Along with Zimmerman. Its not real designer… nobody is influenced by peter do. all the brands you like are relatively anonymous. Khaite and Peter Do arent bad theyre just like two flavors of theory. Like they just distill whats in the moment through their lens - no distinct POV.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

@philophile can u pls stay and be the change you want to see lol