Sabato De Sarno - Designer

My question is: will Kering just allow declining revenue each quarter until a new artistic director comes on board debuting in September at the earliest?

Surely they need to take drastic action and act quickly to avoid total collapse? Three more seasons of mediocrity and chaos does not bode well for Gucci…
 
I don’t think the drastic change in terms of visuals from AM to SdS was that meaningful for the customers. Gucci needed a total revamp and what they did with AM had zero sense either. They burned the brand. Gucci was the cheapest brand of them all. LV is overexposed and cheap, but it never felt THAT cheap.

It was more about the fact that Sabato generated 0 attention and that he could not bring something interesting to the table. His shows were literally Zara, and if you do Zara being Hedi it’s ok, but if you do Zara being new to the world of fashion it’s another thing.

Gucci only has one magic pill as a solution and it’s called Hediline 100%.
 
it’s called Hediline 100%.
actually is a intravenous injection....

Thinking again maybe they need the substance haha...

jokes aside...it's a very problematic time for Gucci...even the transition collections from AM to Ancora were much better defined vision...

Anyone have Cantino's whatsapp? i would like to share a few words...lol.
 
I’ve heard of some loyal customers including whom are high-profile that essentially made 2015-2023 Gucci their lifestyle, and some who are big spenders in China, completely stopped going to stores after one visit when Sabato’s shows and the redesigned storefronts rolled out.

The current majority of new customers that go in the stores already knowing what they would purchase end up showing the salesgirls photos of items that happen to be done by the design team or belonged to Alessandro’s seasons instead of Sabato’s collections, along with dramatically increased prices if still available.

So I wouldn’t rid Sabato of fault like most articles have been spouting that the Kering board made him push bland basic-like designs that were unappealing and lacking any unique world-building or allowing his vision of banal storefronts that looked just like any minimal wannabe store come to fruition. Just look at how he dresses in that dog walking video and if you are brave enough, his Instagram account. Although I think everyone here already has…
 
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I’ve heard of some loyal customers including whom are high-profile that essentially made 2015-2023 Gucci their lifestyle, and some who are big spenders in China, completely stopped going to stores after one visit when Sabato’s shows and the redesigned storefronts rolled out.

The current majority of new customers that go in the stores already knowing what they would purchase end up showing the salesgirls photos of items that happen to be done by the design team or belonged to Alessandro’s seasons instead of Sabato’s collections, along with dramatically increased prices if still available.

So I wouldn’t rid Sabato of fault like most articles have been spouting that the Kering board made him push bland basic-like designs that were unappealing and lacking any unique world-building or allowing his vision of banal storefronts that looked just like any minimal wannabe store come to fruition. Just look at how he dresses in that dog walking video and if you are brave enough, his Instagram account. Although I think everyone here already has…
This. AM Gucci was democratic in that many wealthy and higher aspirational people made it a “family affair.” The whole family enjoyed the fun and ostentation. It was all very welcoming. And despite the noise you hear about AM collections being over the top or too accessible, the price points were very high (thanks, Kering), and there were plenty of timeless pieces… if someone went to the store. I feel like some people only knew the runway collections that they probably never even tried on anyway.

Gucci has always had a large bag and leather business, and this is what they need to elevate and tweak. They need accessories, bags, and leather to be as timeless as LV or Chanel. Stop selling so much at the outlet, be mindful of your brand ambassadors (no one cares about Kendall), and you must have a seasonal and permanent collection. Use seasonal for idea testing to find new classics.

Separately, Gucci needs full control of beauty. Buy back the license from COTY, they are useless, and bring it in-house and introduce high-end fragrance, home, and makeup that can get double its current size. Gucci fragrances should be as covetable as Le Labo but more expensive, more talked about, and with much higher sales. They need to reintroduce fragrance. Fragrance is a lower-hanging fruit, but it needs to be done well. You will consumers with fragrance. How you smell is very personal, and people obsess over it.

Separately, Kering has some deceleration at Balenciaga and YSL. At Balenciaga, the prices are OBSCENE. It is just too much. Demma and team have some great products, but it is too limited and too expensive. Why am I being asked to pay $4,000 for a cute track sweatset? People will just move on. Between vintage, thrifting, some more moderately priced brands, and even Instagram brands, you can pretty much get the Balenciaga look and not feel like an idiot for paying that much.

YSL is as beautiful as always, but the RTW is just too advanced for many. Gorgeous and well made, but it is for a rarefied jet set group that buys collections and then sells them to TheRealReal after one wear. AV can keep doing that, but the merch teams need to be rounding that out with some product that is for every day. They also need to focus on their leather business the quality and designs could use some tweaking.
 
The bag management at Gucci under Sabato was probably the worst I have ever seen from a top tier brand, a bunch of nosense releases with no marketing support. So many wrong choices from a brand that focuses on leather goods as main source of income:

- Pre SS24 RTW show
-- No bag release / campaign from Sabato. Remember when Hedi released a bag prior to his first Celine show? It made quite a statement...
-- Horsebit detail bag from FW23 show (Tom Ford design) not pushed at all: flop and discontinued the following season

- SS24 RTW show
-- Revamped Gucci Jackie: fine bag however not pushed properly in terms of marketing / artistic direction. I hate that cost reduction basic clasp, I think they noticed too cause after that show they started releasing new Jackies colors with the original version clasp too
-- Gucci Jackie notte: worst release under Sabato, bag is so tiny you cannot properly fit a smartphone and the GUCCI logo chain is tacky. It's basically a hand clutch with a tacky gold hardware strap. The price is also too high for this kind of bag, it's like 4k when you can get a Petite Malle from LV at 5K. Bag is a flop however they have not discontinued yet (wrong decision)
-- Gucci luce: flop and discontinued the following season
-- Bucket bag with Gucci luce clasp: flop and discontinued the following season

- Winter holiday 2023 collection
-- No major updates

- FW24 RTW show
-- Gucci Milano: first decent bag from Sabato (especially the geometric quilted version), however not pushed properly
-- Halfmoon Marmon clasp bag: another nice bag but too avant garde design to be acclaimed by the general public: flop and discontinued the following season
-- Puffy clutch: too similar to the pouch from Bottega that got released in 2017...flop and discontinued the following season. I don't think I ever saw them on the website
-- Mini bucket bag with bamboo handles: flop and discontinued the following season. I don't think I ever saw them on the website
-- Vanity bag with embossed GG logo: nothing groundbreaking

- Travel campaign
-- Blatant copy of LV colormania collection: people don't want a Gucci Savoy duffle with bright yellow colored handles

- Cruise 2025
-- Gucci Blondie: the only bag that got a decent push from Marketing / artistic direction
-- Gucci B: not my favorite but I can understand why people like it. However the price is too high, it's 6k for a large size with canvas monogram. You can get a LV leather hobo bag for 4k...

- Summer holiday 2024 campaign
-- No major updates apart from releasing gaudy colored version of their bestsellers

- SS25 RTW show
-- East west bamboo with colored handle: I hope they get permanent and do not get discontinued...
-- Gucci Go: mix of Marmont with Celine Triomphe, another great bag that could become a new bestseller if pushed properly. Could be a nice iteration of the overhyped and overrated Marmont (also the market is filled with replica and the bag prestige is tarnished)
-- Mini bamboo clutch: better than the Jackie Notte as a clutch, could turn into a staple too
-- Puff Jackies with horsebit print: too small and unpractical to be acclaimed
-- Bucket bag with horsebit detaild: nice one

- Winter holiday 2024 campaign:
-- No major updates apart from the release of some backpacks and Savoys with metallic coating (blatant copy from LV Marc Jacobs metallic collection)

SS25 was the best season in terms of bags offerings, and that was almost 1 year and a half after Sabato's appointment...
Even Louis Vuitton is more consistent and coherent with their bag releases...and they release new styles every 2 weeks basically.
 
Obviously I love Hedi but he can't be the solution to everything. Someone else needs to be allowed into a position where they have both well thought out ideas and the resources to execute them. If we gotta be in the era of CEOs now then so be it, but those CEOs are going to need to start coming up with broad aesthetic visions (don't look at me, this CEO-centrism wasn't my idea) and auditioning CDs and/or designers to make more tangible proposals based on that vision. And then step back and let the winner(s) execute those winning proposals.
 
Obviously I love Hedi but he can't be the solution to everything. Someone else needs to be allowed into a position where they have both well thought out ideas and the resources to execute them. If we gotta be in the era of CEOs now then so be it, but those CEOs are going to need to start coming up with broad aesthetic visions (don't look at me, this CEO-centrism wasn't my idea) and auditioning CDs and/or designers to make more tangible proposals based on that vision. And then step back and let the winner(s) execute those winning proposals.
Thank you! I was going to make this same comment. Hedi isn't the answer here. Neither is Raf Simons or MGC. Celine is doing well but it is also aging. We don't need this at Gucci.

The CD is important but Kering needs a better org structure and vision first. Then great designers at Gucci, separating mens and womens.

Gucci should have worked with AM to make him like a Karl Lagerfeld and bolstered the team with great merchandisers and marketers to translate his visions. They are not resourcing and organizing for growth
 
I’ve heard of some loyal customers including whom are high-profile that essentially made 2015-2023 Gucci their lifestyle, and some who are big spenders in China, completely stopped going to stores after one visit when Sabato’s shows and the redesigned storefronts rolled out.
This makes sense.

It’s incredibly frustrating to think that Gucci’s top executives—many of whom are making hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in salary—couldn’t grasp such a fundamental concept: you can’t completely alienate the customer base Alessandro Michele cultivated and expect them to stay loyal.

There was Alessandro fatigue of his maximalist approach and vintage costumes, when he was fired but to think that they could do a complete 180 and retain those clients was what I initially thought was naivety. But now I think it was arrogance.

This situation highlights the issue with many luxury fashion executives - "the suits" chasing short-term strategies without understanding the cultural connection and brand positioning.
 
cringe at its finest when your whole personality on ig is working at gucci as menswear designer in the worst years of the brand
Did anyone recognize the prints? Might not be from design team and could already be from someone new for all we know. Except Sabato’s daisies of course.
 
cringe at its finest when your whole personality on ig is working at gucci as menswear designer in the worst years of the brand
I am just amazed that these designers are on amateur hours. Like, no joke, Coca-Cola or Disney would not allow their staff to post stuff like this on Instagram.
 
I am just amazed that these designers are on amateur hours. Like, no joke, Coca-Cola or Disney would not allow their staff to post stuff like this on Instagram.
i was surprised too...he has a personal account too but it's private...

anyway it was a little too much to post that...i assume that shows how messy is Kering...
 
I am just amazed that these designers are on amateur hours. Like, no joke, Coca-Cola or Disney would not allow their staff to post stuff like this on Instagram.
LOL chill guys, basic narcisistic exhibitionist gays are everywhere...
We have onlyfans gayporn stars who used to work for LV (notyourfavguy1 on IG, Ryan st James on Twitter for the NSFW) and we also have Amazon operations manager in Barcellona posting full nudes with visible face on public Twitter account (manluked)
 

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