Sexual Misconduct Allegations in the Fashion Industry

[Benn98]

can Michael Thompson come back and see if he still has it?

He doesn't, US Elle and Vogue Mexico gave him countless chances but he mucked it up.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

Yeah, sorry, no. You can't manipulate the average drunk person into being a Nazi supporter. Maybe you don't think the women were victims, but think of the millions of other victims related to his self-professed love of Hitler.

I agree and Galliano got what he deserved, for me he’s one the few that got the right punishment.

But I’m under no illusion why he got fired and people came down on him so hard, he was instable for a long time and his work of the last years was horribly outdated. This was a good opportunity to get rid of him and at the same make the company look good. If he was at his prime, one way or another this would have been sweept under the carpet. So let’s stop pretending his case made people more outraged when there were clearly other interests at play.
Two wrongs do not make a right, excusing Galliano because others made something wrong and are still getting away with it does not make any sense.

 

[Benn98]

I agree and Galliano got what he deserved, for me he’s one the few that got the right punishment.

But I’m under no illusion why he got fired and people came down on him so hard, he was instable for a long time and his work of the last years was horribly outdated. This was a good opportunity to get rid of him and at the same make the company look good. If he was at his prime, one way or another this would have been sweept under the carpet. So let’s stop pretending his case made people more outraged when there were clearly other interests at play.
Two wrongs do not make a right, excusing Galliano because others made something wrong and are still getting away with it does not make any sense.

Didn't plan on taking part in this discussion, but I absolutely agree with you, LS! The severity of his punishment was proof to me that there was a vendetta brewing which we were not privy to. When you think of it, Galliano was invincible (in fashion's eye) right until the moment that unfortunate clip made the rounds. I'll agree that creatively he was in a rut, but the power and prestige he wielded was sytill immense. Fashion is after all one of the few industries governed by loyalism. The saying 'you're only as good as your last hit' doesn't apply here.
The public only truly grasped in what a dark space he was when we saw that clip. The worst of his punishment imo wasn't medal stripping or firing him from Dior, but snatching his namesake brand and running it as if he's dead. Each Gaytten designed season is literally akin to rubbing his nose in the dirt. And I find it so wicked!

These photographers, Weber and Testino, they have far more support than Galliano had. They're not only in a position of power, they also happen to be key players in an establishment. Mario Testino may be pariahed from covers and campaigns, but he'll always have a certain support system in place. So why would he, like John, even see the need for a road to Damascus moment?

 

[Deleted member 130879]

If US Vogue is worried about problematic photographers and the potential for more people to come out with stories, they won't be in a hurry to work with neither Klein nor M&M (Mert)[allegedly]....

I really dislike Klein's and M&M's work so, if true, bring it on.

I would really like to see new photographers rising. And to see more from Roversi, I miss his haute couture work for VI.

Just please... for the sake of fashion photography, no more Annie or Ellen. So many talented female photographers that should be given an opportunity, a place to showcase their work and all we see is old photographers way past their creative prime.

 

[Littleathquakes]

At the rate this is going, soon there'll be no one.

 

[tigerrouge]

It'll be Instamodel selfies.

 

[Benn98]

It'll be Instamodel selfies.

Or worse still, Kendall and Gigi shooting all the covers, with Theo Wenner thrown in.

 

[Scotty]

 

[Benn98]

Jordan Barrett on working with Kate Moss and Mario Testino

Melissa Singer
February 5 2018

Australian model Jordan Barrett has spoken for the first time about his experiences working with Mario Testino since allegations of sexual misconduct emerged about the famous fashion photographer.

"He's always been great and inspirational," said Barrett, who is back in the country to walk exclusively in the David Jones autumn-winter show on Wednesday night. "Mario's images always inspire me."

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Source: Smh.com.au

 

[Deleted member 130879]

I can't deal with Jordan. He is as empty headed as they come. Uninformed, loud, always looking for those 10 minutes of fame. Of course he wouldn't refuse to answer that question. Of course he would jump right into the wagon shouting how great Testino is.

 

[ThatDudeOverTher]

I can't deal with Jordan. He is as empty headed as they come. Uninformed, loud, always looking for those 10 minutes of fame. Of course he wouldn't refuse to answer that question. Of course he would jump right into the wagon shouting how great Testino is.

Guys, I don't think it's wrong for someone who's had a pleasant experience with a person accused of misbehavior to say so. I think the media may present it as Jordan showing support for Testino, when in reality, he was only sharing his experience. Positive experiences do not negate another person's negative experience.

 

[Deleted member 130879]

Guys, I don't think it's wrong for someone who's had a pleasant experience with a person accused of misbehavior to say so. I think the media may present it as Jordan showing support for Testino, when in reality, he was only sharing his experience. Positive experiences do not negate another person's negative experience.

You are right. But yet, I can't stop thinking of it as a trigger for people who had negative experiences. They give voice to the "See? I told you he was a good guy. Those others punks are just here for the press".

 

[fashionista-ta]

Guys, I don't think it's wrong for someone who's had a pleasant experience with a person accused of misbehavior to say so. I think the media may present it as Jordan showing support for Testino, when in reality, he was only sharing his experience. Positive experiences do not negate another person's negative experience.

It may not be wrong, but I perceive a failure to put it in context. If it were me, I would definitely add, 'but I understand others have had a different experience, and that's wrong.' And I'd say a lot less about inspiration.

I suppose you'll always have those who are in denial ... but they irritate me.

 

[Benn98]

I suppose you'll always have those who are in denial ... but they irritate me.

Precisely. Jordan didn't even acknowledged the victims. Not even in a sh*tty 'It's sad, of course...blah blah blah'.
I guess he is young and probably didn't even give the issue much thought, but he's one of the biggest male models at the moment. A bit of solidarity wouldn't hurt.

 

[MON]

Does he have the right to share his experience? 100,000,000% yes.

Should he have at least acknowledged the victims as Benn & fashionista-ta said? 100,000,000% yes.

Him not doing so just makes the interview tone-deaf. Having a great experience with a person who basically helped your career is one thing, but not recognizing the fact that people have different experiences is another.

 

[ThatDudeOverTher]

It may not be wrong, but I perceive a failure to put it in context. If it were me, I would definitely add, 'but I understand others have had a different experience, and that's wrong.' And I'd say a lot less about inspiration.

I suppose you'll always have those who are in denial ... but they irritate me.

I agree that he could have added something about the experiences of others that may not have been positive. I'm just sympathetic to the fact that at his age, he may not have been quick enough to realize how his answer could be received (I'm sure the interviewer set it up that way) and perhaps he hasn't been properly trained on how to handle such situations with the press.

I think Diane Kruger did it the right way a few days ago by acknowledging the negative experiences of others who worked with Tarantino, despite hers being positive. But if you look at how the media is reporting it, the headlines scream "Diane Kruger is Defending Quentin Tarantino."

 

[MON]

I'm just sympathetic to the fact that at his age, he may not have been quick enough to realize how his answer could be received (I'm sure the interviewer set it up that way) and perhaps he hasn't been properly trained on how to handle such situations with the press.

He's 21 years old right?. I think a person who knows how to empathize needs no "press training" regarding matters that warrant the use empathy.

Others may make it seem that Diane supports you know who, but those who aren't lazy and read her interview will know the truth - that she actually acknowledged the experiences of others. At the end of the day, she did what she had to do. But this guy, nowhere in that interview can it be found that he did acknowledged the experiences of others. So its not a press twist thing, its just his own words.

 

[iperlchen]

Fashion is still a party industry that rewards people who skip college, party their *** off, get high together. Now if you're 20, 21, that behavior is quite normal when you live in a liberal country, but in the fashion business it's a way of 'networking' used by people twice that age and with twice the amount of 'power' as the curious youngens. Once you get in, it's hard to get out. Which reminds me of the words of the old Casablancas.

“I prefer a model that parties a little too much to a model that doesn’t party enough,” he says.
https://www.thecut.com/2018/02/a-hard-look-at-the-original-modelizer-john-casablancas.html

Jordan's remark is unbalanced, and it's disappointing coming from someone with such ranking. Being a public figure comes with a social responsibility. Yet, how could anyone be surprised. There's a reason he's currently on the cover of a magazine that titled their edition '#WildChild'. To spend all your free time partying is one thing, but the industry actively rewards that kind of lifestyle with more work. Go and count the Vogue Paris editorials that depict sex and parties or sex at parties
Sure, slight chance Jordan used more words than 'inspiring' and journalists can frame things by way of omission, but never to an extent where one word answers are completely fabricated.

 

[Benn98]

So true! The fashion industry pride themselves for being more organic and individual driven, but the amount of times I've seen Kaia Gerber hit the party circuit?

A member on here once remarked that the reason why he didn't like Daria Werbowy was because apparently once she's done with the glitz and glam of shoots and the runway, she heads home to unwind with her dogs. (Cue to Les Sucettes liking her even more now.) No parties, drama, etc etc. Of course it was a funny thing to say, but it showed how the image of the model lifestyle is sort of set into stone.

 

[softgrey]

If Anna Wintour is reading, I beg...

PLEASE do NOT replace Testino + Weber with stale(surely overpriced) grandpa Demarchelier OR his son, and please don't make Jan Wenner's son a regular now either, his work is nicely retouched snapshots, Cass Bird or Angelo Penetta do it much better, without being modelizers.

I think Mikael Jansson, Inez + Vinoodh, Oliver Hadlee Pearch(that Iman ed in Jamaica!!!), can Michael Thompson come back and see if he still has it? There are so many more but those stick out. Collier Schorr does a great job when the vibe/person is right, I would LOVE to see Alasdair's take on some of US Vogue's regular actresses.

There are so many great talents to replace these two.

not for nothing but Inez said that a woman is not really a woman unless or until she has a child...

Inez can EAT MY SHORTS...



carry on...