Sexual Misconduct Allegations in the Fashion Industry

Edie commented on Christiaan’s “He’s (Mario) not a predator because I, PERSONALLY, have never had a predatory experience with him so no one else’s predatory experiences count!” post with “Think you might be showing your age here Christiaan.” :clap:

His post is so disgusting
He is a bon vivant gay man who like most of his successful contemporaries behaved badly on occasion but, from my perspective, far short of criminal. In the 1990’s it was called sexually “promiscuous”. I have lived and worked for 40 years right in their midst and experienced mostly just grownups behaving juvenile. Mario in particular should be lauded for supporting the careers of so many.

Almost went Kevin Spacey on us. Despicable to use homosexuality and/or promiscuity as an excuse for predatory behavior. As if we don't get enough of this crap from conservatives :rolleyes:
 
What you´re saying is very disturbing, specially your first paragraph. Give alcohol to a model so she can relax? no wonder it´s a playground for the likes of Richardson, Weber, Testino...

And super weird.
 
The Christiaan post is really so idiotic, and it's enablers like him who will defend Testino till the end. Just a bon vivant, a great likeable guy, did so much for so many....

Happy to see Edie speaking up, also Katie Grand posted under someone's post (can't remember who it was) that there will be legion of more people coming forward. So she obviosuly also knew, and heard about Testino!
 
I'm glad it has finally spread to the fashion industry. Have there been stories in the past regarding Testino? That one really caught me off guard unlike

I swear if there any stories regarding some of my favourites like Juergen Teller, I give up. You can't trust anyone. Especially after the Aziz Ansari story as well. :furious:
 
^ WWD has a great long story, all brands said they won't work with Testino and Weber anymore, even Kors and SW! But this especially says a lot:

Meanwhile, speculation raged during the men’s shows in Milan today over which other well-known photographers might be caught up in the scandal, with some stylists and fashion editors saying up to 10 more names could come out. Sexual exploitation and harassment has long been known to take place during fashion shoots for the last several decades, but both brands and magazine editors have generally turned a blind eye to it, observers said.

Full article, worth the read: http://wwd.com/business-news/media/...stino-weber-after-model-allegations-11099053/
 
I'm glad it has finally spread to the fashion industry. Have there been stories in the past regarding Testino? That one really caught me off guard unlike

I swear if there any stories regarding some of my favourites like Juergen Teller, I give up. You can't trust anyone. Especially after the Aziz Ansari story as well. :furious:

At the risk of sounding like I am downplaying this whole movement (which I support wholeheartedly), the Aziz Ansari one seemed like a bit of a non-story to me. It sounded more like a date that got awkward, which is just a part of normal adult life. The girl in question even showed his texts apologizing and saying he misread signals the next day after she told him he had made her uncomfortable. I feel bad for the girl, and hope it leads to more conversations about consent, but I think this one is not as cut and dry as others. Compared to these allegations against Testino and Weber, plus the ones about Spacey and Weinstein, Aziz Ansari just sounded like an awkward guy on a bad date. I don't know, I guess it just makes me nervous as I don't want these important conversations to become a witch hunt against men and undermine the actual point women are trying to make (more eloquently than I am :lol:). I do agree that I am terrified all of my favorite entertainers will turn out to be creeps!
 
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^ reading that story really pissed me off.. and his alleged behavior had little to do with it. I know that in every good social movement, it's only a matter of time before it gets polluted by different interests, but some of the people "sharing" encounters with famous people that went sour should just do the movement a favor and maybe save their story for later. This type of people (plus the one that was okay going out with Matt Lauer while he was married- until it was not okay and she felt retro-embarrassment) are down there with the predators, all opportunistic people that, if anything, add more material to those hoping to discredit women finally having the opportunity able to speak up. A 10% of me is actually wondering if the Russians are behind this :lol:, they infiltrated BLM with violence in order to debilitate it after all. I know I will probably get some "how dare you" reply because a movement where any micro-movement equals good movement makes any criticism bad criticism but I truly wanted to scream at the top of my lung reading that story. Before being a man or a woman, we're humans.. gross, stupid humans in this genderless hamster wheel called society that sometimes will let fame and money blind us and act purely based on that, and it shows in many of these cases.

I hate entering PG-13 territory but it seems to me that some dates with a stranger followed by sex is always a little bit awkward, sex with someone new for the first time also needs synching.. now sex with someone you just met, as an adult, requires some "alert" system in function, getting the f*ck out is never NOT an option. How are we living in times when we can comfortably rationalize and immediately condemn this story is beyond me "ok, we're eating but he abruptly ends everything and we go all the way to his place even though I'm not 100% into the idea, and we arrive and.. it's a bit awkward, but I undress anyway, and it's now uncomfortable but let's wait until he undresses, ok, we're now having sex and.. it's still pretty uncomfortable, ok, he's kissing me and surprise, still doesn't feel good, it actually feels.. uncomfortable too!, now he's going to try a different way of having sex.. man I'm uncomfortable, ok he's going to try way #4 of having sex and god it's awkward".. I'm sorry but is this a person? is it a foam roller? do they come with legs? is she 3 years old? this is exactly what some people, with another agenda, another mentality and another generation I couldn't care less for tried to say with "infantilizing women".. reducing a need to address actual harassment, from the vile to the sand grain one, to this point where women are poor little creatures never capable of decision making or accountability in front of a man because men are oh-so-powerful sex-starved villains that know no limits. How does this help anything? how does this empower our gender? I think all genders need a lot of compromise, a lot of education, giving up old ways, a lot of f*cking critical-thinking (the marxist "why am I thinking what I'm thinking if I'm thinking a thought" type of stuff) but most importantly, respect for other humans... so we avoid reducing and stereotyping... we're in this mess because that is done to women continually in every way.. so tooth by tooth won't get us anywhere, we need to move past from such denigrating ways of understanding other genders, other cultures and mostly of understanding ourselves as humans. Wanting sex, performing sex and sexual incompatibility does not equal "sexual misconduct".

Ah. Felt good. Also, I've never seen his movies or show, whatever he does.. quick disclaimer.
 
I'm glad it has finally spread to the fashion industry. Have there been stories in the past regarding Testino? That one really caught me off guard unlike

I swear if there any stories regarding some of my favourites like Juergen Teller, I give up. You can't trust anyone. Especially after the Aziz Ansari story as well. :furious:

I most certainly wouldn't put my money on Teller being 'clean'.
 
Champagne.
You even have shows in the morning where people go champagne available.
But that's not only in the fashion world. In a lot of business meetings, a good contract or a good news is celebrated with Champagne or Bourbon. At any time of the day...

That occasionally happens in my world/country, but I could count the times in my entire career on one hand, and wouldn't need all my fingers ;)

Needing alcohol to get into character reminds me that models are in general too young and inexperienced. I daresay Stella Tennant doesn't reach for the champagne to do her job.

I have sometimes regretted drinking with colleagues off-duty, as some of them 'loosen up' in ways I'd rather they didn't around me. I think of most coworkers as kind of like family--you don't really get to choose them, and sometimes you have to be around them whether you like it or not. Friends who happen to be coworkers, sure, let's have a drink ... but the rest, please remain sober ;)

Anyway, glad this rule is in place at long last. I have to think it will help.
 
Is funny the fact that Ryan relates that Mario Testino locked him in the room was in 1998 at the Chateau Marmot
But him working again in 2001 for Michael Kors Campaing with Carmen Kass
If I have an inconvenience with a work person and that sexual harassment happens to me, I would not work with the other time , Ryan allways are a Gay a repressed and a lier
 
^ Is the appearance of 'testino' and 'fan' in your username purely a coincidence, or ... ?
 
Is funny the fact that Ryan relates that Mario Testino locked him in the room was in 1998 at the Chateau Marmot
But him working again in 2001 for Michael Kors Campaing with Carmen Kass
If I have an inconvenience with a work person and that sexual harassment happens to me, I would not work with the other time , Ryan allways are a Gay a repressed and a lier

Yikes.
 
Is funny the fact that Ryan relates that Mario Testino locked him in the room was in 1998 at the Chateau Marmot
But him working again in 2001 for Michael Kors Campaing with Carmen Kass
If I have an inconvenience with a work person and that sexual harassment happens to me, I would not work with the other time , Ryan allways are a Gay a repressed and a lier
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Is funny the fact that Ryan relates that Mario Testino locked him in the room was in 1998 at the Chateau Marmot
But him working again in 2001 for Michael Kors Campaing with Carmen Kass
If I have an inconvenience with a work person and that sexual harassment happens to me, I would not work with the other time , Ryan allways are a Gay a repressed and a lier

Lol ok. Is that you Christaan?
 
Honestly is anyone surprised. You have powerful gay men working with ridiculously good looking young men. I’m sure the fashion industry is well aware of misconduct in the past but it’s finally taken this shift get heads rolling. I’m just wondering who else will fall in the cross hairs of this movement. Leading fashion designers? It’ll all come out soon, I guess
 
I have heard so many stories from male models, but things about Bruce always seem more light-handed than things about M.T. --- I think the things that might come out about him will be much worse. I think the industry has a power abuse problem overall, and specifically with male models, who don't have a lot of power in the industry, it's so dangerous.

amazed by this prediction
 
Honestly is anyone surprised. You have powerful gay men working with ridiculously good looking young men. I’m sure the fashion industry is well aware of misconduct in the past but it’s finally taken this shift get heads rolling. I’m just wondering who else will fall in the cross hairs of this movement. Leading fashion designers? It’ll all come out soon, I guess

Hm, I don't think it has anything to do with being gay. That's almost like saying every powerful gay men couldn't keep his hands to himself when surrounded by beautiful men. And that is definitely not true.
 
^ reading that story really pissed me off.. and his alleged behavior had little to do with it. I know that in every good social movement, it's only a matter of time before it gets polluted by different interests, but some of the people "sharing" encounters with famous people that went sour should just do the movement a favor and maybe save their story for later. This type of people (plus the one that was okay going out with Matt Lauer while he was married- until it was not okay and she felt retro-embarrassment) are down there with the predators, all opportunistic people that, if anything, add more material to those hoping to discredit women finally having the opportunity able to speak up. A 10% of me is actually wondering if the Russians are behind this :lol:, they infiltrated BLM with violence in order to debilitate it after all. I know I will probably get some "how dare you" reply because a movement where any micro-movement equals good movement makes any criticism bad criticism but I truly wanted to scream at the top of my lung reading that story. Before being a man or a woman, we're humans.. gross, stupid humans in this genderless hamster wheel called society that sometimes will let fame and money blind us and act purely based on that, and it shows in many of these cases.

I hate entering PG-13 territory but it seems to me that some dates with a stranger followed by sex is always a little bit awkward, sex with someone new for the first time also needs synching.. now sex with someone you just met, as an adult, requires some "alert" system in function, getting the f*ck out is never NOT an option. How are we living in times when we can comfortably rationalize and immediately condemn this story is beyond me "ok, we're eating but he abruptly ends everything and we go all the way to his place even though I'm not 100% into the idea, and we arrive and.. it's a bit awkward, but I undress anyway, and it's now uncomfortable but let's wait until he undresses, ok, we're now having sex and.. it's still pretty uncomfortable, ok, he's kissing me and surprise, still doesn't feel good, it actually feels.. uncomfortable too!, now he's going to try a different way of having sex.. man I'm uncomfortable, ok he's going to try way #4 of having sex and god it's awkward".. I'm sorry but is this a person? is it a foam roller? do they come with legs? is she 3 years old? this is exactly what some people, with another agenda, another mentality and another generation I couldn't care less for tried to say with "infantilizing women".. reducing a need to address actual harassment, from the vile to the sand grain one, to this point where women are poor little creatures never capable of decision making or accountability in front of a man because men are oh-so-powerful sex-starved villains that know no limits. How does this help anything? how does this empower our gender? I think all genders need a lot of compromise, a lot of education, giving up old ways, a lot of f*cking critical-thinking (the marxist "why am I thinking what I'm thinking if I'm thinking a thought" type of stuff) but most importantly, respect for other humans... so we avoid reducing and stereotyping... we're in this mess because that is done to women continually in every way.. so tooth by tooth won't get us anywhere, we need to move past from such denigrating ways of understanding other genders, other cultures and mostly of understanding ourselves as humans. Wanting sex, performing sex and sexual incompatibility does not equal "sexual misconduct".

Ah. Felt good. Also, I've never seen his movies or show, whatever he does.. quick disclaimer.

This! It had to be said.

The Aziz thing is absolutely idiotic, is she a woman or a child? A good example how a movement can be diluted with unnecessary “noise”. I never seen nothing with the guy also.
 
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^ WWD has a great long story, all brands said they won't work with Testino and Weber anymore, even Kors and SW! But this especially says a lot:

Full article, worth the read: http://wwd.com/business-news/media/...stino-weber-after-model-allegations-11099053/

Thanks for posting this! :flower: I'm sure many knew, but because the fashion industry is such a bubble I doubt those with immense amount of power will ever follow the 'if you see something, say something' approach. That agent who sided with Ulrikke Hoyer against Ashley Brokaw, that was a rare act of bravery. I know there was most likely a whisper here and there about Testino and Weber, but would it really have been that unlikely for nobody to ever witness any transgressions? Odd.

As for the Royals, don't you find it odd that they went for Lubomirki, a Testino protege? Forewarned is forearmed! Maybe someone from the fashion community gave the palance a heads up. Considering the importance of the engagement, I doubt they'd have thought twice and dabble by hiring Testino.


Is funny the fact that Ryan relates that Mario Testino locked him in the room was in 1998 at the Chateau Marmot
But him working again in 2001 for Michael Kors Campaing with Carmen Kass
If I have an inconvenience with a work person and that sexual harassment happens to me, I would not work with the other time , Ryan allways are a Gay a repressed and a lier

My thoughts went out to you and your fierce adoration for Testino the moment this story did the rounds. Glad to see you're still alive and kicking.
 
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I wanted to talk about Anna Wintour's decision to get Testino to shoot February even though she most likely knew something was coming out. It has been reported that The New York Times has been working on this story for months (contacting models and assistants ever since the Weinstein scandal) and accused subjects always get a heads up that something is happening (not necessarily by the media outlet in the early stages of the investigative story, but someone who knows always gives them a heads up). Given that Anna and Mario were really close friends, I purely doubt that this hasn't come up over the last few months. And yet, she decided to go with him for February. So my question is, do you think she thought maybe NYT won't go through with the story or that it wouldn't be such a big deal?

Also, Harry and Meghan choosing Lubomirski instead of Testino might have had something to do with this. Of course, chances are they simply wanted to go in a different direction, but involved parties are always notified when something is boiling - especially the Palace.
 

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