The Row S/S 2015 New York

[Scott]

i agree....it'll be interesting to see how they do without nadege because she's been the true treasure at that label. i was actually looking their previous collections since nadege started in 2011 and prior to it and it's really quite extreme the difference has been having somebody who actually has design training and experience never mind the ideals and standards she was engrained with. i think without somebody with her pedigree it'll probably return to it's overrated wannabe status.

 

[Deleted member 1957]

Am not so much into that whole Japanese loosely wrapped shapes but still have to admit that it looks pretty good. Love the fabrics and colours and the bags look very luxe and can give any Italian leather company a run

 

[Phuel]

Absolutely Scott. Before Nedege, it was typical wealthy girls with unlimited access to luxury but without the discipline, and understanding of craft to produce such luxury: It was all surface, and not much substance. It was in essence, privilege without-- as you've suggested, pedigree.

I don't know if it's just that American designers are overly cautious to unleash their full creativity because of the economy, or that this really is the best they're capable of, but these handful of years, NY fashion week has been so dire. It's always one measly idea that's stretched thin to a full collection-- and when that idea can't be stretched any further, they just copy copy copy Nicholas, Phoebe, and Muiccia. Can't they expend their references beyond these few leaders? It's like kids on Youtube that can't grasp references beyond 1995.

Looks like simplified early Romeo Gigli accessorized with old lady handbags.

I don't think you meant it as a compliment... LOL

But I absolutely agree-- in a complimentary sense. I think they executed the Gigli-silhouette and old lady bag beautifully here. It's respectful to their inspirations but still fresh and right for the time, and yet timeless.

 

[gossiping]

don't get the love for this at all, it looks terrible to me..so unflattering

 

[Not Plain Jane]

don't see it up here yet, but elizabeth and james is very nice too - same designer? nedege?

 

[Deleted member 7575]

Absolutely Scott. Before Nedege, it was typical wealthy girls with unlimited access to luxury but without the discipline, and understanding of craft to produce such luxury: It was all surface, and not much substance. It was in essence, privilege without-- as you've suggested, pedigree.

I don't know if it's just that American designers are overly cautious to unleash their full creativity because of the economy, or that this really is the best they're capable of, but these handful of years, NY fashion week has been so dire. It's always one measly idea that's stretched thin to a full collection-- and when that idea can't be stretched any further, they just copy copy copy Nicholas, Phoebe, and Muiccia. Can't they expend their references beyond these few leaders? It's like kids on Youtube that can't grasp references beyond 1995.



I don't think you meant it as a compliment... LOL

But I absolutely agree-- in a complimentary sense. I think they executed the Gigli-silhouette and old lady bag beautifully here. It's respectful to their inspirations but still fresh and right for the time, and yet timeless.

You guys are giving too much credit to Nadege. The whole design team is talented. And the new look for The Row began before she got there.

And I've actually heard from a pretty good source that she left before she could have designed this collection. So maybe you really just like the Olsen Twins after all. God forbid.

 

[Deleted member 7575]

You guys are giving too much credit to Nadege. The whole design team is talented. And the new look for The Row began before she got there.

And I've actually heard from a pretty good source that she left before she could have designed this collection. So maybe you really just like the Olsen Twins after all. God forbid.

Actually, style.com confirms that Nadege left in March, she barely designed Resort.

They didn't replace her, this collection was designed by the team with direction by the sisters.

 

[fashionista-ta]

The bags are fantastic.

 

[fashionista-ta]

Absolutely Scott. Before Nedege, it was typical wealthy girls with unlimited access to luxury but without the discipline, and understanding of craft to produce such luxury: It was all surface, and not much substance. It was in essence, privilege without-- as you've suggested, pedigree.

I don't know if it's just that American designers are overly cautious to unleash their full creativity because of the economy, or that this really is the best they're capable of, but these handful of years, NY fashion week has been so dire. It's always one measly idea that's stretched thin to a full collection-- and when that idea can't be stretched any further, they just copy copy copy Nicholas, Phoebe, and Muiccia. Can't they expend their references beyond these few leaders? It's like kids on Youtube that can't grasp references beyond 1995.



I don't think you meant it as a compliment... LOL

But I absolutely agree-- in a complimentary sense. I think they executed the Gigli-silhouette and old lady bag beautifully here. It's respectful to their inspirations but still fresh and right for the time, and yet timeless.

When you consider that perhaps the average TV child star self-destructs in ways that are not topics of discussion at tFS, and instead the twins have, exactly as they wanted to, founded an extremely successful--both critically and commercially--fashion label, that's competitive with the rest of New York, highly desirable, and aesthetically pleasing ... I'm not sure what there is to complain about here.

 

[Scott]

You guys are giving too much credit to Nadege. The whole design team is talented. And the new look for The Row began before she got there.

And I've actually heard from a pretty good source that she left before she could have designed this collection. So maybe you really just like the Olsen Twins after all. God forbid.

hey i'll be the first to admit i don't care about entitled celebrities in fashion and normally i refrain from following any endeavour they're involved in. now if what you say is true and it was a team effort,again,it further drives home the point that they still rely on trained and skilled designers. and i disagree...i had a pretty good evening looking through their past outings and there was a major distinction in design quality and execution before nadege came on board. this for me is simply a continuation of that puristic direction nadege had taken the label.

 

[Deleted member 7575]

hey i'll be the first to admit i don't care about entitled celebrities in fashion and normally i refrain from following any endeavour they're involved in. now if what you say is true and it was a team effort,again,it further drives home the point that they still rely on trained and skilled designers. and i disagree...i had a pretty good evening looking through their past outings and there was a major distinction in design quality and execution before nadege came on board. this for me is simply a continuation of that puristic direction nadege had taken the label.

It's pretty true, it's in the style.com review. Anyway, the fact that Nadege was not here for this nullifies your lowered hopes for this label's future.

Believe what you want about the twins and their talent, nothing I can say will change your bias if you still maintain it after this. But you should know that all designers work with teams and design directors under them. You would be shocked to know who is actually responsible for your favorite collections and who would be lost if their real talent left.

 

[Phuel]

You guys are giving too much credit to Nadege. The whole design team is talented. And the new look for The Row began before she got there.

And I've actually heard from a pretty good source that she left before she could have designed this collection. So maybe you really just like the Olsen Twins after all. God forbid.

Fair enough! Hats off to the Olsen sisters for having evolved if they are actively contributing to the designs. But, just like Phoebe was the talent behind Stella McCartney, it's hard for me to think Nadege had nothing to do with this refinement in the latest offering. I suppose the proof of the sisters's golden touch will be in future The Row collections.

I think the sisters very stylish and beautiful women-- but that doesn't instantly mean they have the capabilities to be good designers. I think Melanie Ward is a great stylist, but her offerings as a designer left much to be desired-- for me. So my opinion on the sisters' The Row "work" is formed on their concept of an extremely expensive and luxurious label that really didn't impress me until they wrangled in the necessary talents, one such being Nadege. If the sisters and their team are able to keep the strong momentum of their label without Nadege, then kudos to them all.

It's pretty true, it's in the style.com review. Anyway, the fact that Nadege was not here for this nullifies your lowered hopes for this label's future.

Believe what you want about the twins and their talent, nothing I can say will change your bias if you still maintain it after this. But you should know that all designers work with teams and design directors under them. You would be shocked to know who is actually responsible for your favorite collections and who would be lost if their real talent left.

You're absolutely right, of course. No influential designer/ label is a lone supernova doing all the work like some mad Rumpelstiltskin. I know that even the "influential" prints that a much-acclaimed designer is known for, is the result of a graphic designer (who, also gets some assistance from another designer). There's a huge support system in a label's makeup, and the more money that a label has, the more "assistance" they can afford, of course. All I'm saying is that the sisters clearly had a very strong team member in Nadege.

 

[GIVENCHYlover]

If you don't have a design 'diploma' it's hard to create something like this. Probably the girls don't know how to construct a complicated and impeccable piece. Their team is very strong.


Look at Project Runway, talented people but sometimes their designs are horrible.

 

[Zazie]

If you have a wardrobe full of Damir Doma, Christophe Lemaire, vintage Yohji, and a stack of ENCENS on your coffee table, you'd be designing this collection.

Kudos to the twins for their impeccable taste!

Beautiful material, a truly elegant navy coat front-tie coat, the full blanket jacket suits, the navy strapless voluminous dress, the bags are gorgeous, a lot of the rest I'm really not sure, too bulky and clumsy with all the tied, dangly swathes, it's just in excess.

 

[Scott]

It's pretty true, it's in the style.com review. Anyway, the fact that Nadege was not here for this nullifies your lowered hopes for this label's future.

Believe what you want about the twins and their talent, nothing I can say will change your bias if you still maintain it after this. But you should know that all designers work with teams and design directors under them. You would be shocked to know who is actually responsible for your favorite collections and who would be lost if their real talent left.

sorry but when have you ever saw me claim that designers never work with teams? please don't project insinuations on me. of course they do and absolutely they should with the amount of work that goes into putting a collection. but let's get real....there is a major disparity between being a mere brainchild(the idea woman,as it were) and somebody who is also fully involved from prototype to shop. i just don't buy that these girls are actually putting in any real work and spending hours and hours a day cultivating their visions in an atelier,like most real designers,considering how much we see them living in their celebrity.

 

[Deleted member 7575]

sorry but when have you ever saw me claim that designers never work with teams? please don't project insinuations on me. of course they do and absolutely they should with the amount of work that goes into putting a collection. but let's get real....there is a major disparity between being a mere brainchild(the idea woman,as it were) and somebody who is also fully involved from prototype to shop. i just don't buy that these girls are actually putting in any real work and spending hours and hours a day cultivating their visions in an atelier,like most real designers,considering how much we see them living in their celebrity.

So they used to be child actors, they get followed by paparazzi, I'd hardly call them getting on with their personal lives "living in their celebrity". You think in all the years they've been running this business they don't know how their clothes are made?

Can they cut? Probably not. Can they sew? Unlikely. But, Reality check: Rei Kawakubo can't cut or sew, Miuccia Prada can't cut or sew, Consuelo Castiglioni can't cut or sew. And frankly, the twins are probably more hands on than they are. This is merely your bias.

 

[Deleted member 119799]

sorry but when have you ever saw me claim that designers never work with teams? please don't project insinuations on me. of course they do and absolutely they should with the amount of work that goes into putting a collection. but let's get real....there is a major disparity between being a mere brainchild(the idea woman,as it were) and somebody who is also fully involved from prototype to shop. i just don't buy that these girls are actually putting in any real work and spending hours and hours a day cultivating their visions in an atelier,like most real designers,considering how much we see them living in their celebrity.

they are very involved
their role in the company is probably more like that of a creative director than designer but what's wrong with that.
i'm not a big fan of their work, for me it's a bit too nice, but they have a point of view, put out good product and don't take the easy road to success.

just because they were actors once they're not allowed to enter the holy world of fashion?
it's not even like they're relying on their celebrity to get their brand in the press.

on these forums you always act like you know how fashion works but it's getting more and more obvious to me that you really don't. have you ever held a job in design? i think it could be quite a wake up call for you to see how those few companies you seem to admire really work.

 

[VogueDisciple93]

The Olsen twins will have to contend with the tag "celebrity designers." Fortunately these ladies have brilliantly chipped away at what is expected from these kind of houses, but stigma is a nasty thing - it is relentless with its grip. They have habitually delivered astounding collections from the beginning, - subpar is not in The Row's lexicon - Yet they are hounded with how they did not take the traditional route to designing and derogatory reminders of their wealth and past. Yes they have a team - an INCREDIBLE one too - like almost every creative director, but to denounce the sisters entirely would be criminal. These are not lazy trophywives or trust fund brats that are calling it in, these are hardworking women that are inspiringly passionate about their craft. They are more involved in every step of the brand than most heralded "designers." Yes they have the advantage of having deeper pockets than most designers, but I think it should be exhaulted that they are using the money THEY worked for in the pursuit of a passion and creating beautiful things and jobs along the way.

These women have a vision and insurmountable taste and go to gallivant efforts to execute them - The Row's apparel and accessories are the manifestations of paramount craftsmanship and luxury. Nadege is an AMAZING designer and absolutely took the brand to a new plane, and should be rightfully celebrated, but The Row was excellent before her and will be after.

Sorry to have gone off on such a rant, but I find it unfair how these women are criticized, and even more so how the collections are treated. If you did not enjoy the show that is fine as it's all subjective, but do not give it a compliment tailed with what the sisters can't or don't do. Be fair to the clothes.

This is an incredible collection, their best to date in my opinion, and it was without the help of Nadege so I think The Row will continue to strive for and achieve greatness.

As style.com said in their review of The Row's Pre-Fall 2011 collection, "The Olsens deserve high marks for the consistency and persuasiveness of their vision."

 

[Scott]

on these forums you always act like you know how fashion works but it's getting more and more obvious to me that you really don't. have you ever held a job in design? i think it could be quite a wake up call for you to see how those few companies you seem to admire really work.

so that would assume you do? anyway i don't really care what you think or how you perceive me,i just feel like the industry has been inundated already with too much celebrity influx and the disposable money and attention that comes along with that. and forgive me,they don't rely on their celebrity? from the moment they started the media has followed this label like salivating puppets....as if the greatest thing to come around never mind how much it's held as if an established label and worse their price range which is the equivalent of hermes. but how dare i question their authenticity and their hype when countless times we've seen behind the transparent veil yet continue to see the apathetic slaves who follow them. and i certainly don't and will never apologise for not following.

 

[Rightguard]

^You said that to say what? At every corner of fashion there are those that "mindlessly" follow. If you don't like the collection because you don't like the label's founders, just say that.

They have more than proven that they are capable of producing a successful, well though out collections. Please stop acting as if no one but small Belgian fashion designers can exist.