Vetements - 2 Years After They Broke the Internet, It Looks Like Nobody is Buying Vet

You know it's true when someone is triggered. I think in order to for sustain business model, they need different entry price points. IF you have €300, you can get a Gucci t-shirt but you definitely can't afford Vetements. The brands had the same hype but when more people are wearing Gucci (on streets and on Instagram), you only see this small fashion crew trying so hard to pull off Vetements and fail. Who wants to look like that.

Besides, the street/ Eastern European aesthetic has long existed but glorified by Demna and Gosha, plus Off-White came and it became a trendy style. Many people I saw on the street dress like they are wearing Vetements but their clothes are either vintage or high street brands. You can pay €100 for oversized sweater and some people would think you are on trend. Why bother to pay €1,000 for that with the same result.
 
You know it's true when someone is triggered. I think in order to for sustain business model, they need different entry price points. IF you have €300, you can get a Gucci t-shirt but you definitely can't afford Vetements. The brands had the same hype but when more people are wearing Gucci (on streets and on Instagram), you only see this small fashion crew trying so hard to pull off Vetements and fail. Who wants to look like that.

Besides, the street/ Eastern European aesthetic has long existed but glorified by Demna and Gosha, plus Off-White came and it became a trendy style. Many people I saw on the street dress like they are wearing Vetements but their clothes are either vintage or high street brands. You can pay €100 for oversized sweater and some people would think you are on trend. Why bother to pay €1,000 for that with the same result.

i have seen their collab with Brioni, tailored pants costing $1900, and they look quite bad. I know it is Brioni quality, but it is just very flared and nothing else. Like why?
 
^wow, I just look up both for men and women are so bad. Even for the cropped ones on Mytheresa. The fabric might be Brioni but you could have found a pair of cropped pants that are much more flattering with better cutting that those. Even on sale they're still €790.
 
Did he actually said "Fashion is not about hype" with a straight face? :lol: Who are this people? Where do you have to grow up to have this lack of self awareness? :lol: I would expect that the person that will be known solely for peddling DHL T-shirts to the gullible to have a bit of a sense of humour.
It's hard to believe that when Trisha Paytas and other trashy millionaire Youtubers are wearing your "oh so exclusive" brand, Demna is not hearing the funeral bells tolling.
 
Gosha Rubchinskiy to Stop Label, Launch New Venture
The Russian designer is stopping his namesake label and exploring new ways to make and sell product.

LONDON, United Kingdom — The Russian designer Gosha Rubchinskiy is stopping his Comme des Garçons-backed namesake label and launching a new project, he announced via Instagram today.



According to a spokesperson for Comme des Garçons, the Gosha Rubchinskiy brand as currently conceived will cease to exist following the Autumn-Winter 2018 season. As a consequence, the label will not present a collection in Paris in June. Comme des Garçons is presently working with Rubchinskiy and his team to devise new ways to make and sell product, according to the spokesperson.

Rubchinskiy originally launched his label in 2008, but the skater-inflected fashion brand — born from Moscow’s youth scene — really took off after he entered into partnership with Adrian Joffe, chief executive of Comme des Garçons and director of Dover Street Market. Today, Rubchinskiy is responsible for the creative side of the brand, including the design of the collections, but the business entity and Gosha Rubchinskiy trademark are wholly owned by Comme des Garçons, which also manages its production, sales and marketing.

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when you have news like this, Vetements just looks so out of touch.
 
I know they function on that threadbare hipster vibe, but he couldn't afford a copywriter? I'm sure an intern would've done better than this.
 
I am not surprised by this at all, their clothes are ghastly and look literally straight out of the salvation army.
 
BoF and Lyst chime in:

The Truth About Vetements


LONDON, United Kingdom — In the latest edition of the Lyst Index, Balenciaga has maintained its lead over Gucci as the hottest brand in fashion for the third quarter in a row. However, it is the continued strength of third-place Vetements that may be of most interest to industry insiders, following a report from influential streetwear site Highsnobiety in March titled: “Two Years After They Broke the Internet, It Looks Like Nobody is Buying Vetements.”

Indeed, by the end of last year, reports of flattening consumer interest in the label intensified, as buyers whispered that some consumers were shifting their spend from Demna Gvasalia’s Vetements to Gvasalia-designed Balenciaga products, which came not only with a similar aesthetic, but also with a major brand name and a lower price tag. The rumours reached a crescendo in March when the Highsnobiety article, citing an anonymous independent North American retailer, maintained: “From a retail standpoint, Vetements is completely dead.”

In a Trumpian twist, Guram Gvasalia, Demna’s brother and chief executive of Vetements, declared the piece “fake news” and nothing more than clickbait. “Vetements is in the strongest creative and financial state it has ever been,” he said in a statement, underscoring that the brand was outperforming targets with 50 percent growth year-on-year. Demna Gvasalia added via Instagram: “Fashion is not about hype, nor about useless gossip or opportunistic pseudo journalism, fashion is about clothes. So is Vetements.” But Highsnobiety stood by its reporting, clarifying that “in the eyes of the very select market we cater to, Vetements is over.”

While the sentiment and purchasing patterns of this “very select market” may well tell another story, according to the data collected by Lyst and analysed by The Business of Fashion, general interest in Vetements is still rising. Total search traffic to Vetements-related pages grew by 31 percent comparing Q1 2017 and Q1 2018 data provided by Lyst.

A significant spike came at the end of January, when Vetements released its Fall/Winter 2019 edition of its Vetements x Reebok sock runner. Priced at $510, or $610 for the high-top iteration, the boots are more accessible than the brand’s $1200 hoodies. But even excluding the search queries sparked by the Reebok collaboration, searches for Vetements grew by 12 percent comparing Q1 2017 and Q1 2018 data provided by Lyst.

And yet, searches for Balenciaga are certainly growing at a much faster rate than Vetements. The impact of Balenciaga dropping new sneaker colourways and holding runway shows in March 2017 and September 2017 is clear in the graph below. Likewise, Vetements’ decision to replace its Spring/Summer 2018 show with a lookbook surely impacted search queries for the brand. Vetements has grown by 1 percent on an average weekly basis over the last two years and that rate has remained largely consistent even after search enquiries into Balenciaga had doubled. But there’s little doubt that Balenciaga is racing ahead of Vetements in terms of consumer interest.

Of course, the comparative scale and financial backing — and therefore, marketing budgets — of each brand also play a significant factor in their growth rates. Back in June 2017, after cancelling his Spring/Summer show, Demna Gvasalia told Vogue, “We will do something when there’s the time and the need for it. It will be more like a surprise. It’s like we’re putting Vetements into an artificial coma. In five years, it has gone so fast; it started to become something else. I want to bring it back to where we started. No more oversize hoodies…!”

But in terms of consumer search, that surprise is yet to materialise. Excluding seasonality, Vetements’ only significant search spike in the past 12 months relates to a product drop, not a communication strategy. The brand has staged some widely reported PR moments, from a travelling installation of clothing to raise awareness on overproduction, drawing crowds in LA, London and other cities, to its self-aware authentic-fake pop-up sales in Hong Kong and Seoul. However its tactics have failed to match Balenciaga’s ability to make headlines. Take the success of its Triple S sneakers in driving industry and streetwear coverage, its March ready-to-wear show which featured World Food Programme iconography and a widely discussed simultaneous €250,000 donation, and some much-memed layered outerwear looks.

With regards to whether Balenciaga’s increasing popularity comes at a clear cost to Vetements sales results — a view supported by some industry insiders, including a source cited by Highsnobiety who claims that Demna Gvasalia saves his best creative ideas for Balenciaga — Vetements still achieved a 22 percent year on year growth in click-through to retail sites, an indication of purchase intent, comparing data tracked by Lyst in Q1 2017 and Q1 2018.

Over that same time period, however, Balenciaga click-through grew by 103 percent, with 220 percent more “in stock” products featured across Lyst than Vetements. The Parisian maison benefits from a more accessible price point — some of its hoodies and its speed boot trainers retail at below $500. But despite this, Balenciaga’s average basket price was $116 higher than that of Vetements, according to data from Lyst. What’s more, when you remove the uptick in sales resulting from the Reebok collaboration drop, Vetements’ performance drops sharply to only 9 percent growth over the same period.

In the past Vetements was boosted by its collaborations. For its Spring/Summer 2017 runway collection, the brand collaborated with 17 brands, from Brioni and Manolo Blahnik to Levi’s and Comme des Garçons, generating widespread brand awareness. But having shared its brand of cool in order to benefit from its collaborators’ technical abilities and specialist production facilities, Vetements products now sit next to their collaborators’ original versions online, but are priced dramatically higher, sometimes by as much as $1,000, calling into question how distinct Vetements’ designs are from the originals.

Vetements’ lack of product innovation may also be part of the problem at a time when consumers are increasingly looking for novelty and newness. Its reissues and iterative design development, once taken as statements in themselves, could certainly explain the reported drop in street style coverage.
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^This doesn't really contradict the claims made in the Highsnobiety article. This focuses on how popular Vetements is on searches. An uptick in searches and interest does not necessarily lead to more sales. The only ones who could give a clear picture are the retailers that carry the brand, but they would never go on record sharing sales reports to the public.
 
^Exactly. I find the BoF piece to be a little useless. While I understand their point of view but a search engine rate do not convert to actual sales. But then, if I go through a sea of street style influencers, I can see the Vetement has faded out. Or even look at fast fashion brands, last year they went all Vetements but now I can't even find the brand's inspired-looks at Zara anymore. Of course, they are selling but definitely a lot less than before and if last season's sale period tell me anything, their stuff weren't selling at full-price window time.
 
It’s a ‘sponsored ‘ post , I imagine by Lyst, which explains its existence and tvs fact that it doesn’t really say anything new
 
The banner of ‘sponsored feature’ by none other than an affiliate marketing co in the industry is kiiiinda stretching my ability to digest in good faith.
 
Just leaving this here...
Everything Eugene Rabkin writes is always so truthful and well spoken.


NOTES ON A (HIGHSNOBIETY AND VETEMENTS) SCANDAL

Last week the influential streetwear and youth culture news website Highsnobiety published an article claiming that Vetements has been losing clout with fashion forward consumers. It cited several store buyers, who wished to remain anonymous, about lukewarm customer demand that has led to slashing orders and putting the once hyped brand’s goods on sale, something that Vetements tried to avoid by keeping their production runs small. The buyers blamed the overinflated pricing on Vetements’ part, and consumers shifting their taste towards Gvasalia-designed Balenciaga.

The article might have gone relatively unnoticed had it not apparently offended Demna Gvasalia, who posted a retaliatory statement on the Vetements’ Instagram.

To add fuel to the fire, the industry trade newspaper Women’s Wear Daily published an article with the following quote from Guram Gvasalia, Demna’s brother and Vetements’ CEO, “It is sad to see the state of journalism today. In the era of click-baits, using the name of our company in the article is a click-bait itself, and even more so when it’s mentioned in a negative headline. To the disappointment of all the haters, we would like to declare that Vetements is in the strongest creative and financial state it has ever been. We are definitely not going out of business and the speculations about our sales figures are not only false and defamatory in its nature, but also simply ridiculous. Sadly some journalists today are more concerned with writing fake news and reposting shocking headlines rather than checking facts to show the full picture. It is especially upsetting to see some fashion writers, fueled by their personal agendas, attacking young independent brands while sucking up to big conglomerates for their advertisement budgets. Serious news outlets seem to be turning into tabloids and gossip blogs that impose somebody’s opinion and made-up stories as true facts.”

The above conflict is worth analyzing in terms of how the media approaches certain controversial subjects, and how it presents them to their respectable audiences; and the more important questions of where actually lies the truth, if there is one to be gotten at all. Hence, some thoughts (Disclaimer: I sometimes contribute articles to Highsnobiety).

The first important issue here is how negative and positive coverage is presented and in whose interest. Highsnobiety interviewed – “a variety of sources in the American, European and Asian markets—buyers from retailers stocking the brand, a former Vetements employee and a sales associate from a luxury department store that carries the label” – wished to remain anonymous. The reason here is pretty obvious – no one wants to burn bridges or lose their jobs. I can see why a disgruntled former employee may want to present his former boss in a bad light, but I fail to see any reason for a store to say a brand they are selling is not doing well.

I reread the Highsnobiety article several times, and except its rather categorical, attention-grabbing title “2 Years After They Broke the Internet, It Looks Like Nobody is Buying Vetements” I failed to see anything egregious in it. The main thrust of the article is that the fashion cognoscenti and the hypebeasts – the kind of audience that Highsnobiety caters to and so do the store buyers they interviewed – have largely moved on from Vetements to Balenciaga. Anecdotally, I can confirm this. I have seen a significant drop in people milling about during the Paris fashion week in Vetements. Late last year the owner of a prominent independent store also complained to me, unprompted, that the store’s customers were moving on from Vetements to Balenciaga. I reached out to Highsnobiety, and they confirmed that they stand by all of their sources. That they did not ask Vetements to comment may be somewhat of an issue, but what kind of an answer would one expect from a brand in fashion, where everything is always amazing, until it’s not?

In turn, the responses from Demna on his Instagram and in the Women’s Wear Daily article ranged from childishly defensive to canned PR-positive. Let’s start with Demna. To begin with, the bizarre beginning of his Instagram post that “Vetements does not support wannabe journalism based on lies and gossip.” A brand is not in a position to support journalism of any kind unless it’s an advertiser. Journalists, however, are free to report what they see. Sorry, this is the reality you signed up for. And while Demna is within his rights to be angry, his claim that the Highsnobiety article is “wannabe journalism based on lies and gossip” does not hold much water. Just because Highsnobiety’s sources wished to remain anonymous, does not make their statements “lies and gossip.” You might as well say that the New York Times political columnists publish “lies and gossip” because they use anonymous sources in the Trump administration. Well, actually there is one person who does say that.

Demna goes on to say that he has always been the creative head of Vetements. Be that as it may, for the first year Vetements officially presented itself to the fashion media as a fashion collective. It’s too late to rewrite that story when you can simply google it. Demna’s statement that “FASHION IS NOT ABOUT HYPE” – in 2018, is laughable. Here, the need for a reality check is too self-evident, and I am surprised that Vetements PR officer did not step in. The last two lines of the post are just rambling, conflating fashion and fashion journalism, fashion and clothes, and the surreal-level of Demna’s misconception of what his label has become. But you don’t need to take my word for it – just look at the comments under his post.

Guram’s statement in WWD was a little more substantive, though it began with a bizarre claim that using “Vetements” in an article constitutes click-bait, especially if the coverage is negative. Here, Guram seems to be saying that a) serious journalists should not write about Vetements b) all negative coverage of Vetements is just click-bait. He seems to wish that “Vetements” should not be used at all, except by them, which would be a nice way to control his brand’s narrative.

Guram goes on to say that Vetements today is in its best state creatively and financially. While arguing about one’s creative state is subjective, one’s financial state is pretty easy to fact-check, which WWD failed to do. They were content with Guram’s claim that Vetements has experienced 50% year-on-year growth. I asked Vetements to release its year-on-year store orders and revenue figures. Needless to say, my request went unanswered [Editor’s note: A representative from Vetements got back to us after the time of publication of this article, stating that Vetements do not release their financial figures being a private company]. Should we then simply take Guram’s word for it, the way WWD is content to do? Even then, WWD kind of misses the point – Highsnobiety did not claim that Vetements is losing money – let alone going out of business – not yet. The results of what the anonymous buyers were reporting will probably be felt – if the things really are as they were described – a year from now.

Guram went on to blame journalists for publishing fake news “fueled by their personal agenda… while sucking up to big conglomerates for their advertising budgets,” though I fail to see why a journalist would have a personal agenda against a fashion brand. One may have an agenda as a critic, but it’s not like Demna hit a fashion journalist’s child with his car. And speaking about advertising budgets – Demna also works for Balenciaga, which is owned by Kering, the second biggest fashion conglomerate in the world. Highsnobiety was actually being brave here, because there is a good chance they may be foregoing significant advertising revenue from Kering.

WWD interviewed several buyers as well, all of whom reported good sales for Vetements, but let’s pay attention to whom they interviewed. Saks, Jeffrey New York, and Harrods are department stores, whose buyers are always, and I mean ALWAYS, upbeat. Saks is an especially egregious offender here. It has always baffled me that WWD continues to ask Saks’s buyers for their opinion during fashion weeks. It’s always the same. As a matter of fact you will be hard-pressed to find any store buyer saying anything negative about a brand they are selling on record to the fashion press, period. This kind of self-sensorship is endemic in fashion.

But, besides this PR-sanctioned number, there is another undercurrent here. With the exception of Maxfield, none of the stores on the WWD list are known for moving fashion forward or for catering to fashion fans of the first order. The point here is that Highsnobiety and WWD talked to stores who cater to a totally different customer. The entire article made WWD look either out of touch, or like a state-sponsored mouthpiece for the industry.

It’s hard to pinpoint whether Vetements is dead or not from the retail perspective and the sell-through ratio right now. A cursory search on Lyst.com, a shopping aggregator, shows 504 out of 1555 Vetements items for women and 93 out of 698 items for men on sale, but we are nowhere near a regular sale season.

I will agree with Guram on one thing – the sad state of fashion journalism today. Though its sadness derives exactly from its inability to publish anything critical and the backlash it risks facing when it does.


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I don't trust anything published by BoF ever since I discovered they have ties to LVMH, and not purely in an advertiser sense. It goes far beyond that.
Agree with others anyway, that article is completely unnecessary. In an ironic twist it would appear they're trying to capitalise on the Vetements story just to get more clicks.

The StyleZeitgeist story breaks it down much neater. And also highlight something about WWD which I've picked up on numerous - that their lack of researching is getting shoddier by the minute.

At times I wondered if it wouldn't have been better for Vetements to have a direction similar to Rodarte. That is, not engaging in aggressive retailing. The collections at first certainly fit the mould. Plus there's no shortage of rich sponsors only too willing to sponsor 'art' projects with not much of a tangible or social impact. But then,of course, the reality of the situation is that Vetement's style approach isn't all that sustainable. It's merely feeding into a moment, which once passed, will render them irrelevant. Same can't be said of the Mulleavy sisters, however much I loathe their output at times.
 
It is especially upsetting to see some fashion writers, fueled by their personal agendas, attacking young independent brands while sucking up to big conglomerates for their advertisement budgets.

I can't stand them but this is so true. And of course fashion journalism disappeared a while ago. Just when fashion did.
 
I don't trust anything published by BoF ever since I discovered they have ties to LVMH, and not purely in an advertiser sense. It goes far beyond that.
Agree with others anyway, that article is completely unnecessary. In an ironic twist it would appear they're trying to capitalise on the Vetements story just to get more clicks.

The StyleZeitgeist story breaks it down much neater. And also highlight something about WWD which I've picked up on numerous - that their lack of researching is getting shoddier by the minute.

At times I wondered if it wouldn't have been better for Vetements to have a direction similar to Rodarte. That is, not engaging in aggressive retailing. The collections at first certainly fit the mould. Plus there's no shortage of rich sponsors only too willing to sponsor 'art' projects with not much of a tangible or social impact. But then,of course, the reality of the situation is that Vetement's style approach isn't all that sustainable. It's merely feeding into a moment, which once passed, will render them irrelevant. Same can't be said of the Mulleavy sisters, however much I loathe their output at times.

Does the Rodarte model still involve living with mom & dad? :wink:

Agree about WWD ... aren't they pretty much the Page Six of fashion?
 

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