marqueemoon said:
Thanks for the advice, Galviggo!

Is this the same Kiehl's product?:
http://www.smartskincare.com/reviews/product/clean_other_kiehls_tea-tree-toner_20040918.html
It sounds good. I might try it out! Would you recommend their moisturizer as well? I looked up Cetaphil and it seems to also get rave reviews:
http://www.smartskincare.com/reviews/product/brandidx/cetaphil/
Maybe I'll try that first and move on to Kiehl's if it doesn't work. I wish I could get free samples of these pricey products! It's so annoying buying an expensive bottle of something without knowing if it will even work on your face.
My brother is the same way! His skin is deep olive, and nothing seems to irritate it. As far as I know he only uses regular, drugstore soap on his face. I'm not sure how seriously to take his comment because he tends to scoff at anything he considers vaguely vain or girly. He said pill-form acne medications like Proactiv are supposed to work, but not the creams. I've done some research online and there is a lot of debate about the effectiveness of beauty products. If you want more scientific recommendations, you should check out this site I just discovered:
http://www.smartskincare.com/resabstracts/
Glad you asked, because that's definitely not the product I'm using and like. That one has tea tree oil which makes my face hurt.
This is it:
http://www.kiehls.com/_us/_en/catalog/product.aspx?CatCode=AXE_Face&TopCat=F2_Without_Alcohol&prdcode=254
I forgot to mention I have normal-to-oily skin, but the Kiehls rep and my friend's cousin told me this one can be used by everyone. (I'm distrustful of salespeople, but so far so good with this toner.) This is what I like about it:
* It freshens up your face, tightens pores, does what a toner is supposed to do.
* Supposedly is "all natural" and the like (you can read the label here:
http://www.kiehls.com/_us/_en/catalog/popup_lbl.aspx?prdcode=254&type=1) Honestly I know how important toner is but I just hate the idea of saturating my face in 100% chemicals; this at least has some natural stuff.
* It smells damn good! Sort of like tea. I hate chemical fragrance; it irritates my eyes and makes my head hurt. This stuff smells very natural and fresh.
* It really is easy on my skin. I've used my mom's Clinique toner before (she loves Clinique and swears by all their products) and ouch! very tight, very red face for 1 hour. We have different skin, though. Hers is a little darker, and extremely fine and poreless. I, unfortunately, have bigger pores from my normal-oily skin type from my dad's side.
You can also check this one out:
http://www.kiehls.com/_us/_en/catalog/product.aspx?CatCode=AXE_Face&TopCat=F2_Without_Alcohol&prdcode=285
Last time I was in Copley in Boston, the Neiman Marcus (?? forgot where I got the Kiehl's) was sold out of the Calendula one above, so they recommended this as the next-best for extremely sensitive skin people (or just anyone who wants to be nice to her skin). I have tried both samples and like them equally, but I use the Calendula.
Be sure to ask Kiehl's for free samples! They're usually very nice about it. I'm shameless but I figure for what they're charging they better be generous about samples. I've always walked out of the store with 8-10 packs of random samples.
I couldn't tell you about Kiehl's moisturizer though because, shamefully, I don't moisturize (is this really bad?). I used one free sample and didn't react to it, but it made me look a little greasy. I only moisturize the topmost part of my forehead, around the eyes, and on the cheekbones. Anything more (and any sunscreen) makes me look greasy and I really hate that. Somehow, my skin doesn't absorb the moisture like normal skin, so it just sits at the surface and glows (in a bad way).
I always test new skin stuff on my wrist after that

Shisheido experience, so definitely do that first! I know it's so expensive and at first I was like "are you crazy!" but I really like it.
Other random stuff:
* I go to TJ Maxx to find eye cream/serum and moisturizer type things (which I also put on my cheeks because I can't bother with too many bottles). Lots of times they'll buy brand-name stuff in bulk so something that normally costs $20-$30 only costs me $5. I just can't justify spending much more than that when I already spend on the toner. (I shop at TJ Maxx a lot. Especially after this little discovery

) You know how Victoria's Secret has their own makeup and lotion line; well, personally I find it ridiculously overpriced and rather low-quality, but there are a ton of brand-names I hadn't heard of that TJ Maxx carries in bulk; so far seems to work just fine for much less.
* I have tried Proactiv skin washes, and didn't care for them (I didn't know they had pills--I wouldn't take them though)! I think Kiehl's is much better and come to think of it they aren't
that much more expensive than Proactiv.
I've been told that moisturizer can (but ideally shouldn't) be skipped, but toner is a must, so that's my big splurge...
Thanks for the skincare link! I'll check it out; if my skin makes it past the next few weeks.

(Hmm. bet this post looks like a dissertation)