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Emil said:
^^Yes Vain Jane i agree something just dosent add up at this story its so strange that she was killed in the house but noone was seen or heard!I hope they resolve this mystery once and for all!

But it was while everybody was sleeping. You wouldn't be so surprised if you saw how my boyfriend sleeps, I put my mobile phone alarm right by his head at full volume and he didn't wake up for the whole two minutes it was playing an obnoxious midi song :innocent:
 
Suspect says Ramsey death 'an accident'

BANGKOK, Thailand - A former American school teacher said publicly Thursday he was with JonBenet Ramsey when she was killed and called the 6-year-old's death "an accident," a stunning admission that should help answer 10 years of questions in the unsolved murder case.

John Mark Karr, 41, will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security told a news conference in Bangkok.
"I was with JonBenet when she died," John Mark Karr told reporters afterward, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. "Her death was an accident."
Asked if he was innocent of the crime, Karr said: "No."
Karr confessed to the killing after his arrest Wednesday at his downtown Bangkok apartment by Thai and American authorities, said Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand's immigration police.
He said Karr insisted his crime was not first-degree murder but that she died during a kidnapping attempt that went awry.
"He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child, she was a pageant queen," Suwat said.
Karr declined to say what his connection was to the Ramsey family. Dressed in a turquoise polo shirt and khaki trousers, he appeared ashen with an expressionless look on his face.
An attorney for the Ramsey family said Wednesday that Karr once lived near the family in Conyers, Ga.
JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement of the family's home in Boulder, Colo., on Dec. 26, 1996.
Wednesday's arrest was a surprise development in one of America's most lurid murder cases, which had left a cloud of suspicion over her family after years went by with no arrests. Some feared the case would never be solved.
Striking video images of the blonde-haired girl in child beauty pageants helped propel the case into one of the highest-profile mysteries in the United States.
A law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who had been following the case and cooperating with law enforcement officials.
A University of Colorado spokesman, Barrie Hartman, said journalism professor Michael Tracey communicated with Karr over several months and contacted police. The university spokesman said he didn't know what prompted Tracey to become suspicious of Karr.
Tracey produced a documentary in 2004 called "Who Killed JonBenet?" A woman who answered the phone at a number under his name said he didn't live there anymore; his office phone mailbox was full.
The Ramseys learned that police were investigating Karr at least a month before the June death of JonBenet's mother, Patsy Ramsey, of ovarian cancer, the family said.
In a statement Wednesday, father John Ramsey said that if his wife had lived to see Karr's arrest, she "would no doubt have been as pleased as I am with today's development almost 10 years after our daughter's murder."

Suwat quoted Karr as saying he tried to kidnap JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom but that his plan went awry and he strangled her. Patsy Ramsey reported finding a ransom note in the house demanding $118,000 for her daughter.
Investigators said at one point that JonBenet's parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion" in the slaying, and some news accounts cast suspicion on JonBenet's older brother, Burke. But the Ramseys insisted an intruder killed their daughter, and no one was ever charged.
Over the years, some experts suggested that investigators had botched the case so thoroughly that it might never be solved. The Ramseys moved back to Atlanta after their daughter's slaying.
"It's been a very long 10 years, and I'm just sorry Patsy isn't here for me to hug her neck," said Lin Wood, the family's longtime attorney.
"John and Patsy lived their lives knowing they were innocent, trying to raise a son despite the furor around them," Wood told MSNBC.
Suwat said U.S. authorities informed Thai police on Aug. 11 that an arrest warrant had been issued for Karr on charges of premeditated murder. The warrant was sent to Thai police on Wednesday.
"Through investigation we were able to determine where his residence was and the Thais arrested him," Hurst said. "He did not resist. He did express surprise."
Hurst said Karr has been "very cooperative" with authorities and that he's shown a "variety of emotions."
Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he had gotten a job, the police officer said.
Karr's visa has been revoked as an "undesirable person" given the accusations against him, and U.S. authorities were expected to take him to the United States in the next few days, Suwat said.
Hurst, with the department's U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Bangkok, said that Karr had left the United States several years ago and had not returned.
The immigration and customs office had assisted the Boulder County District Attorney's Office and the Royal Thai Police in the investigation.
The suspect, who has been in Thailand five times over the past two years, was being detained by immigration police pending arrival of U.S. officials, Suwat said.
When asked how he could travel for so many years in Asia, and whether he was independently wealthy, Hurst responded, "We're asking the same questions."
Police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style hotel called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists. The nine-story hotel offers rooms for as short as three-hour rentals.
The district attorney in Boulder, Mary Lacy, said the arrest followed several months of work.
She said Karr, who had traveled extensively across the world, may also be connected to a prior case in Santa Rosa County, Calif. She did not provide further details. Sonoma County Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse confirmed the child p*rn*gr*phy charges and arrest warrant against a John Mark Karr, though she cautioned that she didn't know if he was the same person held Bangkok. State records show Karr lost his teaching credential in 2002.

from Yahoo News
 
I remember when this first broke. It's weird to think that it happened what seems like so long ago and yet so fresh. I've heard it referred to on several different occasionas as the perfect murder because there were so many complications. There are many things suggesting the parents were involved, and many suggesting they weren't. the police gaffed as well during the initial stages of the investigation. It's all so interesting.
 
Gosh her poor family. I cant think of anything worse than having the whole world think you are guilty when you are innocent.
 
"He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child, she was a pageant queen," Suwat said.

I don't really have any coherent, intelligent things to say. I'm rendered nearly speechless by all the news, and remembering the case. I was 18 when it happened, and in the midst of dealing with my personal childhood molestation issues, and it affected me deeply. I am glad that Patsy knew before she died, and I am very thankful it appears that the parents and brother had nothing to do with it, though there are still many questions. I pray for their peace of heart and mind, as well as any other children he may have touched. Not surprising he was found in Thailand, the child-prostitutes must have been a real perk.

F§ç& you, pedophiles, and burn in hell. It's one level of evil to entertain notions of harming children - child molesters generally are thinking only of thelselves and their sick pleasure, while true pedophiles often genuinely believe it's some sort of reciprocal relationship and they're in love - I'd say this scum was the latter, but choking her to death doesn't jive...though maybe he thought his "lover" would enjoy some erotic asphyxiation - but to actually do it? To cross that line and take a child, yours or someone else's, to think you have the right to their bodies and souls, to fill them with your festering poison and lies, to kill them or to damage them and their loved ones in ways and for years your pathetic, rotting mind cannot even begin to comprehend? What gives you that right?

And while you're burning in hell, toast the feet of all those involved child beauty pageants, who think it's darling and harmless to take a small child and make her look like a shellacked sex toy, vaseline on her fake teeth, poledancer makeup, wiggling and shaking her butt on stage in her frilly, skanky little outfits. Pedophiles don't need any more encouragement than they already have, and little girls should be allowed to be little girls, not turned into animated blowup dolls :angry:

I have no problem with the concept of child pageants in theory. If there were no makeup, no tawdry clothes and hair, no turning the kid into an unrecogizable, plastic, airbrushed fascimile of a woman judged only on appaerance, I'd be all for people doing it if the girl wanted to. Fun, scholarships, self-esteem, blah, blah, blah. But as they stand now? I feel nothing but disgust and revulsion for every aspect and every person involved.
 
^ Oh, I agree. Children should be allowed to be children. I just feel that...it wasn't really the perfect crime, it was more like the initial crime scene had so many....issues....like fiber evidance was transfered. When they covered Jonbenet's body with the blanket, more fiber got onto the body, when Patsy threw herself crying over her daughter. They could have caught this guy earlier if the initial crime scene was kept in better conditions. Haha, I just want to see Steve Thomas reaction (um, he was one of the lead detectives on the case and quit the entire police force when he couldn't solve JonBenet's case. He wrote a book which basically pointed a finger at the Ramseys, even had a theory at the back of the book)
 
The thing I remember being the weirdest was that Patsy claimed Burke slept though everything, and only woke up after the police arrived, but on the 911 tape you can hear him in the background crying, "What do I do, what do I do". I can see that perhaps he was awake, was maybe even the one who discovered his sister, and Patsy wanted to protect him from having to be questioned by the police, but still, it's very odd. I don't think the family had anything to do with her death other than putting her in the pageants, but they most certainly lied and obfuscated during the investigation, as well as messed with the crime scene. I don't blame the police for suspecting them at all, though you would think they'd be able to properly investigate more than one set of suspects at once.
 
I agree, I read that too. And the whole thing about Patsy not changing her clothes overnight (like wore the same thing the day before and after the murder) was a good point. In many ways, I can't blame the police for suspecting them. But it seems like Steve Thomas' group (also including Jeff Shapiro who was this tabloid reporter who almost took down the defence) focused on the Ramseys while the other group lead by um...forgot him name...alex something believed in the Ramsey's innocence.
 
wow.. I wish her mother was here,,,she went to the grave knowing that the authorities still thought she had a connnection to the murder... gos be with the father and son. Im glad its over..its stunning news.
 
I was only six when then happened and its as if it was only a year ago or something. Weird.
 
TheGlassAngel said:
He said Karr insisted his crime was not first-degree murder but that she died during a kidnapping attempt that went awry.
"He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child, she was a pageant queen," Suwat said.

I could be wrong, but you can be charged with first degree murder if it involves another serious crime - such as kidnapping, sexual assault, and robbery, etc. So the d]fact that he admitted it might help convict him.

So even though he wasn't planning to kill JonBenet and was only planning to use her to extort money from the Ramseys, he still killed her during the kidnapping and hopefully will be charged with first degree murder.

Again, I might be wrong ... this might only apply in Canada and not in the U.S., or might apply in a few states and not other states.
 
I'm so glad that finally the parents have been definitively cleared from this crime. It always bothered me that most people had proven their innocence, but the branding was still there.
 
SiennaInLondon said:
Gosh her poor family. I cant think of anything worse than having the whole world think you are guilty when you are innocent.

I agree. :cry:
That must have been awful.
And her poor mum didn't live to see the arrest.:cry:
 
Sorry, I still have a feeling that her parents had some part of this...the whole case was just too weird....
 
Well, she knew about the suspect and according to John Kerr, he wrote her letters before her death saying how sorry he was for the murder. For all I know, that could be complete BS but at least she knew they had a suspect.
 
I understand there is immense interest in this case, especially for North American members (as you will see that I responded) but tfs is not really an appropriate place for political discussions, esp. a topic like this which has many different issues. Therefore I am locking this thread and will leave it up for a little while for those who were interested to see that it has been locked, and then remove it. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me or one of the other mods.
 
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