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Balenciaga F/W 2016.17 Paris

wouldn't say IMO, there just isn't, the mention was about approach, not actual looks or aesthetics.

Not sure whether you're talking about vetements or balenciaga.. I mean, you're saying 'this', the casting here is pretty standard, all "real beautiful models". I wouldn't exactly call his friends or whatever they are at vetements the ugliest.. just maybe not the lankiest. :lol:

I always crop off the faces while scrolling down though so I don't pay that much attention to that, I also don't think I have that much difficulty imagining myself in something and concluding whether it's the kind of garment I'd just have to laugh at or seriously consider. Whether it's a real person or a model has little effect on me..

Balenciaga is to similar to Vetements. After Demna's debut collection for Balenciaga i don't see a big different between this two brands.
Really good cast can save the show. From light till Music,inkl. cast, that make a show.
The garments are interesting only if i want to buy the items or in case of beautiful textile, embroidery, haute couture or similar. Or Lookbook.

I can't imagine Karlie Kloss, Kendall Jenner, Gigi Hadid &Co in this clothes.
 
^ it's funny you say that, kendal, selena gomez, kylie jenner and hailey baldwin are all wearing vetements loads lately :lol: they might never attend the show/walk in it (like saint laurent) but it is for try hards. like them.

it's just "trendy" oversized crap, doesn't flatter the body.
 
Is this what people want to wear nowadays? :lol:
I agree with some of you here, the first looks are somehow good but these coats and these bags :shock: It lacks feminine factor, it's so masculine. The models looked awful in the clothes so how are they supposed to look good on anyone?

#whenbalenciagawascool :ninja::innocent:
 
^ it's funny you say that, kendal, selena gomez, kylie jenner and hailey baldwin are all wearing vetements loads lately :lol: they might never attend the show/walk in it (like saint laurent) but it is for try hards. like them.

it's just "trendy" oversized crap, doesn't flatter the body.

Lately, sure, why not,it is a simply streetwear , also if there are too many another cool clothes which can wear as "streetwear".
But can you imagine how the Balenciaga collection would look on Kendal, Gomez, Boscono,Smalls, Jenner and Hadid on the runway? :shock: ( or Balenciaga "Girls" on the Balmain runway?)
 
Ugh this is hideous. I hate it. What makes this any different from Vetements aside from the fact that there are no printed hoodies and he slapped some diamanté jewelry on the girls here and there? So stupid.

And what I really hate, too, is how two dimensional and flat everything is. There's no refinement or tension in any look or garment or accessory...everything is one big, flat, solid shape. It's all chunky and clunky.
 
I don't mind it as much as I thought I would. Not bad.
 
Review on style.com..


by SARAH MOWER

“How do you persuade a woman to wear a two-piece suit who is not the German Chancellor?” asked Demna Gvasalia, who has spent the last six months looking into the Balenciaga archive and methodically thinking through how the essence of Cristóbal Balenciaga can be relevant for a modern woman. Result One, the first look: a gray flannel two-button jacket and a slit pencil skirt, in which the shoulders are slightly curved and set fractionally forward, and the hips minimally padded.” It was the posture and the attitude, and Cristóbal’s way of working with the body I found interesting,” said Gvasalia, while admitting to nerves in the buildup to his debut.” Cristóbal was about the tailoring. I wanted a new way of finding that elegance for today, in a 360-degree way.”

Gvasalia wasn’t just talking about the profile created by the forward-leaning technical cut of the coats and jackets, the whoosh of volume in the fronts of skirts, and the inward-angled stiletto heels. This was a “profiling” in a much bigger sense—a pragmatic, intelligent, sweeping analysis of whole categories of what women might want to wear on a daily basis, if they care about fashion—or, rather, about dressing well. The effect was a surging visual high for women of many ages who saw, among the glittering earrings, taut ski pants, jeweled stilettos, oversize puffers, padded scarves, soberly chic checked sheaths and multi-floral dresses, an inspiringly whole and succinct set of wardrobe desires answered.

“I started by making a list of garments, which is what we do at Vetements. Like the shirt, the coat, the trench coat, the aviator, the floral dress, the sweater. Then we drape—I never do sketches,” said Gvasalia. “ And then we ask ourselves: Friends would like to wear it? We asked Eliza, the girl with the glasses, who closed the Vetements show, to open Balenciaga. And she said, “Oh, a business suit! I like this!”

The influential Vetements collective, which is led by Demna and his CEO-brother Guram, has swept fashion over the past 18 months with a reputation based on upgrading streetwear to boiling-point desirability. Gvasalia’s ability to look at a generic garment with new eyes was at work here, too, filtered through the Balenciaga lens. “ We saw his amazing opera coats, and then I thought we could do these open, pushed-back necklines with these, like big Helly Hansen jackets—or with the trench coats,” he said. Realistic, useful bad-weather outerwear, with a fashion punch, done and dusted.

The exercise of finding points of cross-reference between a contemporary designer and the storied, often obscure oeuvre of a long-dead designer can often seem forced, sterile, over-academic, even creatively crippling. But in the case of Gvasalia, the surprise element is that he is coming at this task as a grownup who knows his priorities and doesn’t feel the need to over-egg reverence to the house. He laughed that it only struck him that the floral dresses—brilliant “tents” made from collaged scarf prints with sexy flashes of candy-striped legs beneath —were “a little bit Spanish,” as they were draping them. As Vetements watchers will also clock, floral dresses are transfers from last summer’s wildfire hit from the collectives’ label. Here, what started life as an upcycled old tea dress, which also holds memories of folk patterns from the Gvasalias’ native Georgia, has reached its 2016 apotheosis as a high-fashion object of desire.

Gvasalia also approached the vexed task of designing bags with the same method of boosting the ordinary till it becomes extraordinary. (Who needs yet another collection of fancied-up receptacles?) “We just thought they should be useful, so one is based on a toolbox, one is a cycle-bag, and the ones at the end are market bags,” he said. Of course, appropriating “found” objects is the practice set out by a different maestro of fashion, Martin Margiela. As it happened, Linda Loppa, the elegant woman who taught both Margiela and Demna Gvasalia at the Antwerp’s Royal Academy of Fine Arts, was moving through the crowds of happy women who were pressing backstage after the show. Did she know Gvasalia was destined for success? “He had it already—the precision, the tailoring, and the humility,” she said. “I don’t think I had to teach him anything!” And then she smiled, serenely, speaking for every woman in the place. “I think I’ve found my new label today.”
 
i really don't get the hate here. this is amazing for a big fashion house like Balenciaga.

this feels like a revolution! even it's just clothes you finally want to wear for everyday life. it's very rock'n roll 2.0 - and no: it's not too try hard, there is a lot of modern sexyness in it.

thank god, something that oozes a hint of wildness. that's how young people want to dress like right now. not in the past - not in the far future. this is now.

finally a designer in 2016 who pushes is OWN vision - and don't give a f*** about what people think.

i really like Demnas spirit and the guts to go his way even if i don't love all of his creations.

But he is able to make clothes that real people want to wear. the sportswear, the trenchcoats and the bags (absolutely great!) will just fly from the shelves like the new gucci or the new Saint Laurent.

Sometimes i ask me how the people who write here on TFS walk around fashionwise. all in fancy ballgowns with elaborated high heels and the it-bag of the season. so so boring.

The most funny thing will be that in one or two years most people who are writing here how ugly all this is, will start to rave about the new Balenciaga. It's the same with Micheles Gucci. Nobody seemed to like his vision on the first sight - but with his big success they started to revise their verdicts - even start to buy his creations (i know many of these hypocritical people).

It takes just longer to see the special magic of a visionary. Demna is one of them.

no doubt what you see here is strong and new. and that is something 99% of the other designers nowadays is lacking. Alex Wang included.

Many thanks for this brave, but also just logical and totally wearable collection :heart:
 
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i really don't get the hate here. this is amazing for a big fashion house like Balenciaga. this feels like a revolution even it's just clothes you finally want to wear for everyday life. it's very rock'n roll 2.0 it's not too try hard, there is a lot of modern sexyness. thank god, something that oozes a hint of wildness and revolution. that's how young people want to dress like in

finally a designer in 2016 who has lives is OWN vision - and don't give a f*** about everything.

i really like Demnas spirit and the guts to go his way even if i don't love all of his creations.

But he is able to make clothes that real people want to wear. the sportswear, the trenchcoats and the bags (absolutely great!) will just fly from the shelves like the new gucci or the new Saint Laurent.

Sometimes i ask me how the people who write here on TFS walk around fashionwise. all in fancy ballgowns with elaborated high heels and the it-bag of the season. so so boring.

the funny thing about all this will be that in one or two years most people who are writing here how ugly all this is, will start to rave about the new Balenciaga. it's the same with Micheles Gucci. Nobody seemed to like his vision on the first sight - but now you can see the magic cleary. there is a vision. and that is something 99% of the other designers nowadays is lacking.

many thanks for this brave, but also very logical and totally normal collection :heart:

BRAVO! yes
 
It feels like he's done his homework. This is a great marriage between old balenciaga couture and normal clothes really. It feels like he shows what he likes from Cristobal archive with his own language, but not in the "rebel way" I was afraid of. It feels luxurious, the embroidery on the florar pieces, the tailoring of the first looks, the coats. And also the "woman want to wear" things he talks about a lot. We have here the perfect trench, the perfect aviator jacket. It feels just right. I am surprised because I don't mind it as much as I thought I would.

Of course there is no way he would replace the Ghesquiere, but after Wang there is a hope for this house again!
 
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I'm very surprised by all the negative reactions here.

I had VERY low expectations, but I'll have to admit that I like it a lot. Definitely amongst my top five of the season.
It's very Balenciaga in the sense that it is obviously about construction and structure, the tailoring is impeccable from what I see and I like that his Antwerp influence shows, but not in a 'in your face' way. I'm also very surprised that nobody seems to get the fine and savvy humor (NOT parody) in there.

I do see a fresh and modern vision of the house. Looking forward to seeing more!
 
i really don't get the hate here. this is amazing for a big fashion house like Balenciaga.

this feels like a revolution! even it's just clothes you finally want to wear for everyday life. it's very rock'n roll 2.0 - and no: it's not too try hard, there is a lot of modern sexyness in it.

thank god, something that oozes a hint of wildness. that's how young people want to dress like right now. not in the past - not in the far future. this is now.

finally a designer in 2016 who pushes is OWN vision - and don't give a f*** about what people think.

i really like Demnas spirit and the guts to go his way even if i don't love all of his creations.

But he is able to make clothes that real people want to wear. the sportswear, the trenchcoats and the bags (absolutely great!) will just fly from the shelves like the new gucci or the new Saint Laurent.

Sometimes i ask me how the people who write here on TFS walk around fashionwise. all in fancy ballgowns with elaborated high heels and the it-bag of the season. so so boring.

The most funny thing will be that in one or two years most people who are writing here how ugly all this is, will start to rave about the new Balenciaga. It's the same with Micheles Gucci. Nobody seemed to like his vision on the first sight - but with his big success they started to revise their verdicts - even start to buy his creations (i know many of these hypocritical people).

It takes just longer to see the special magic of a visionary. Demna is one of them.

no doubt what you see here is strong and new. and that is something 99% of the other designers nowadays is lacking. Alex Wang included.

Many thanks for this brave, but also just logical and totally wearable collection :heart:

YES! Exactly! :flower:
 
You know what else I'm thinking...

Strip away the mean, nasty and aggressive bark that Vetements has, and we're left here with clothes that do little to flatter anything about anyone. Beyond that, what do these clothes say about anything? I'm really not sure. These are very two-dimensional clothes masquerading as "couture" shapes with "couture" proportion. Furthermore, the old trope of "couture" meets STREET has not been handled with any cleverness or newness. A puffa parka? Wow. Bravo........

ALSO, I can't help but think that this collection looks like the cast-off of Alexander Wang's Fall/Winter 2014 collection for Balenciaga (with the shopping bags and yellow rain coats).
 
i like the middle section that plays with outwear - those shrug puffy coats, trenches, denim jackets. basically the last few rows of post#3 and the first couple rows of post #4.

but most of the knitwear, prints and suits are downright unflattering.
c'mon, if the models look bulky how is a normally size person supposed to wear this clothing? it'll need considerable toning down and re-jigging for the market.

BUT i really do like the potential in that one section i identified. really fun play with proportions and cuts there... silver linings.
 
People were not very excited at the end of the show. There were people who even weren´t clapping at all.
 
As much as I have doubts in him, the collection isn't bad at all. But he is trying too hard to combined all the archives into one collection that it's just feel very overwhelming and heavy-handed. But I'm sure giving him 2 -3 collections, he would have found a right balance. On another note, the styling reminds me so much of Raf's Dior.

those market bags though.... you can basically get one for 3 dollars at the market in Thailand and it would be even more durable.
 
this feels like a revolution! even it's just clothes you finally want to wear for everyday life. it's very rock'n roll 2.0 - and no: it's not too try hard, there is a lot of modern sexyness in it.

I don't want to sound rude at all, but calling this a revolution is just ridiculous. This is not even "new". It is indeed try hard cause they are obviously and unapologetically trying to be 'cool'. And don't know where you see the sexyness, to be honest.

thank god, something that oozes a hint of wildness. that's how young people want to dress like right now. not in the past - not in the far future. this is now.

Wild? Puuhlease. This is everything but wild. And this is the past, actually. They brought the past to the present, and what is funny... they didn't even reinterpreted it. So it's not 'now'. Well, it is now cause it's happening now, but that's it.

finally a designer in 2016 who pushes is OWN vision - and don't give a f*** about what people think.

On the contrary, I'm sure he is that kind of designer that asks her assistant to compile everything written about him in the press.


But he is able to make clothes that real people want to wear. the sportswear, the trenchcoats and the bags (absolutely great!) will just fly from the shelves like the new gucci or the new Saint Laurent.

Real people? Could you elaborate? Are there unreal people?

Sometimes i ask me how the people who write here on TFS walk around fashionwise. all in fancy ballgowns with elaborated high heels and the it-bag of the season. so so boring. It takes just longer to see the special magic of a visionary. Demna is one of them.

I'll have to get a Marchesa gown and a pair of Jimmy Choo heels (the ugliest ones in the world) so I sound legit criticising this. Although I didn't even criticised it, but pretending this guy is a genius is... :rolleyes:

And visionary... OMG. I think you should revisit Margiela archives. And he did itWAY, WAY, WAY better and felt more genuine and cool. He was the actual visionary.
 
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Best collection by a house I've ever seen. It's a shame though, not one accessory to covet.

The street stylers are gonna eat this alive.

The casting....smh
 

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