Balenciaga F/W 2016.17 Paris

[kewkaw]

It look confused

 

[MulletProof]

Sometimes i ask me how the people who write here on TFS walk around fashionwise. all in fancy ballgowns with elaborated high heels and the it-bag of the season. so so boring.

this is funny.. until you realize the loudest demands for glamour, novelty and sophistication in womenswear somehow seem to come from other male posters like yourself, so you're probably thinking more in the lines of velvet suits and a glass of whisky... lol.

I think the people that can wear this tend to be a lot more relaxed about dressing and can appreciate a fun parka or that so so boring ballgown just the same.

Anyway the collection in motion was even better.. I guess this is where he belongs, far more than at his own label, you can tell he was trained right and knows how it all works and has been in that world enough time to know exactly how he wants it to unfold. I do not think he's a visionaire or creating magic or pushing the envelope in some way, I understand people fall into the hype trap and repeat things like robots and, that's always sad.. but in that incredibly boring world of fashion houses that resembles the worst soap opera and it's always the same characters, people that only know that old system and how to comply with it and only create changes through that same structure they know, feeding it more of the same.. I think this is maybe the start of a shift towards making them less formal, less like a temple or strictly about class or status symbols.. designers have been doing high and low for decades now but this time it felt like a kid that's grown up seeing his parents do that and finds no humour about it, it seems normal.. I didn't understand the parkas or jeans or bags with that same repelling version of irony as at vetements, or with the big and petulant 'f*ck you' as in other houses, or even like an attempt to recreate luxury, it was more to me like courting new generations and their assimilation of fashion.. it's not groundbreaking, it's just about trying to look forward, for a change..

 

[LittleRus]

I've never thought that expensive could look so cheap... And I don't know what is more difficult to bear - the all-positive comments from the editors (which doesn't surprise me since most of them get excited about anything different seeing it as an opportunity to write an attention-catching piece) or how much it hurts my eye - just can't see how a woman can look beautiful in these, just can't. At least, not at the moment.

 

[Lola701]

Sometimes i ask me how the people who write here on TFS walk around fashionwise. all in fancy ballgowns with elaborated high heels and the it-bag of the season. so so boring.

It sounds ignorant...even if i'm not a Ballgown type of woman, i don't think judging fashion has always have to do with personal style/taste.
Cathy Horyn doesn't have the best style or isn't the boldest dresser but she has an eye and a knowledge for fashion that some would envy.

BTW, even if i'm kinda indifferent to it, i really don't think that Demna has a vision or an aesthetic. It's all Margiela...
Maybe it speaks to a generation that didn't experienced the original Margiela or who got interested by it after 2009. I can totally understand that it speaks to them and it feels revolutionnary when in fact, it's quite conventional. There's nothing more conventional than having that "posture" of being unconventional...

I think that working for Balenciaga will help him to find his own style and his own personal aesthetic.
For now, i'm not sold. But at least, something is happening at Balenciaga...
I don't know if anyone is buying their RTW anymore (i'm not talking about the biker jackets and t-shirts). I know that in Paris, people have lost interest.

 

[Deleted member 139021]

It's an interesting collection. The more I see it the more it grows on me.

 

[donyan]

this is one of those collection that feel awkward at first but then you realize with each further look that it is incredibly good.

 

[Inlimbo]

this is one of those collection that feel awkward at first but then you realize with each further look that it is incredibly good.

YES and is one of the very few collections that i'll remember

 

[Fashionstuff]

RIP Balenciaga

It sounds ignorant...even if i'm not a Ballgown type of woman, i don't think judging fashion has always have to do with personal style/taste.
Cathy Horyn doesn't have the best style or isn't the boldest dresser but she has an eye and a knowledge for fashion that some would envy.

BTW, even if i'm kinda indifferent to it, i really don't think that Demna has a vision or an aesthetic. It's all Margiela...
Maybe it speaks to a generation that didn't experienced the original Margiela or who got interested by it after 2009. I can totally understand that it speaks to them and it feels revolutionnary when in fact, it's quite conventional. There's nothing more conventional than having that "posture" of being unconventional...

I think that working for Balenciaga will help him to find his own style and his own personal aesthetic.
For now, i'm not sold. But at least, something is happening at Balenciaga...
I don't know if anyone is buying their RTW anymore (i'm not talking about the biker jackets and t-shirts). I know that in Paris, people have lost interest.

RIP Balenciaga

Christobál Balenciaga....Erich Maria Remarque wrote about Balenciaga's gown in his famous book "Heaven has No Favorites"... And Gavasalia's clothes for iconic Balenciaga... so sad...

@ Lola -agree
Me too, i'm not a ball gown type of woman, not at all and never was.
I'll never will buy or wear this Kind of clothes, it can be super fashionable but at least i don't care because it is ugly.

Working for Balenciaga will help him in his career. It is for sure.
He pretend to do things similar to Margiela. He can do it for his own Label but why bring this all to Balenciaga, Balenciaga has archives and DNA. Balenciaga is about tailoring and Demna started with tailoring:

Source : vogue.com :

“How do you persuade a woman to wear a two-piece suit who is not the German Chancellor?” asked Demna Gvasalia, who has spent the last six months looking into the Balenciaga archive and methodically thinking through how the essence of Cristóbal Balenciaga can be relevant for a modern woman. Result One, the first look: a gray flannel two-button jacket and a slit pencil skirt, in which the shoulders are slightly curved and set fractionally forward, and the hips minimally padded. “It was the posture and the attitude, and Cristóbal’s way of working with the body I found interesting,” said Gvasalia, while admitting to nerves in the buildup to his debut. “Cristóbal was about the tailoring. I wanted a new way of finding that elegance for today, in a 360-degree way.”

Gvasalia wasn’t just talking about the profile created by the forward-leaning technical cut of the coats and jackets, the whoosh of volume in the fronts of skirts, and the inward-angled stiletto heels. This was a “profiling” in a much bigger sense—a pragmatic, intelligent, sweeping analysis of whole categories of what women might want to wear on a daily basis, if they care about fashion—or, rather, about dressing well. The effect was a surging visual high for women of many ages who saw, among the glittering earrings, taut ski pants, jeweled stilettos, oversize puffers, padded scarves, soberly chic checked sheaths and multi-floral dresses, an inspiringly whole and succinct set of wardrobe desires answered.

“I started by making a list of garments, which is what we do at Vetements. Like the shirt, the coat, the trench coat, the aviator, the floral dress, the sweater. Then we drape—I never do sketches,” said Gvasalia. “And then we ask ourselves: Friends would like to wear it? We asked Eliza, the girl with the glasses, who closed the Vetements show, to open Balenciaga. And she said, ‘Oh, a business suit! I like this!’

The influential Vetements collective, which is led by Demna and his CEO-brother Guram, has swept fashion over the past 18 months with a reputation based on upgrading streetwear to boiling-point desirability. Gvasalia’s ability to look at a generic garment with new eyes was at work here, too, filtered through the Balenciaga lens. “We saw his amazing opera coats, and then I thought we could do these open, pushed-back necklines with these, like big Helly Hansen jackets—or with the trench coats,” he said. Realistic, useful bad-weather outerwear, with a fashion punch, done and dusted.

The exercise of finding points of cross-reference between a contemporary designer and the storied, often obscure oeuvre of a long-dead designer can often seem forced, sterile, over-academic, even creatively crippling. But in the case of Gvasalia, the surprise element is that he is coming at this task as a grownup who knows his priorities and doesn’t feel the need to over-egg reverence to the house. He laughed that it only struck him that the floral dresses—brilliant “tents” made from collaged scarf prints with sexy flashes of candy-striped legs beneath —were “a little bit Spanish,” as they were draping them. As Vetements watchers will also clock, floral dresses are transfers from last summer’s wildfire hit from the collectives’ label. Here, what started life as an upcycled old tea dress, which also holds memories of folk patterns from the Gvasalias’ native Georgia, has reached its 2016 apotheosis as a high-fashion object of desire.

Gvasalia also approached the vexed task of designing bags with the same method of boosting the ordinary till it becomes extraordinary. (Who needs yet another collection of fancied-up receptacles?) “We just thought they should be useful, so one is based on a toolbox, one is a cycle-bag, and the ones at the end are market bags,” he said. Of course, appropriating “found” objects is the practice set out by a different maestro of fashion, Martin Margiela. As it happened, Linda Loppa, the elegant woman who taught both Margiela and Demna Gvasalia at the Antwerp’s Royal Academy of Fine Arts, was moving through the crowds of happy women who were pressing backstage after the show. Did she know Gvasalia was destined for success? “He had it already—the precision, the tailoring, and the humility,” she said. “I don’t think I had to teach him anything!” And then she smiled, serenely, speaking for every woman in the place. “I think I’ve found my new label today.”

 

[gius]

I think he got it right as something you can wear everyday

 

[squilliam]

The first look was promising but then it became overworked unflattering clothes. I do think he tried to use the house code, but this collection is not very good. I think expectations have been lowered after Wang ' s tenure at the house, so this is seen as a good collection. I feel like this guy was hired because of hype and not talent

 

[Zazie]

My g*d, these floral print scarves dresses concept was shamelessly copied from CdG not long ago. And those off-shouldered looks from Prada/Miu Miu, come on!

I just dislike how he copied from MMM and many others and then not admit to it. Reminds me of MJ!

 

[anlabe32]

I totally agree. I think the first look is quite strong, the proportions are on point, the volume is OK, it's severe, quite Balenciaga, but the rest of the show is crap to be honest.

Wait what? This completely contradicts your first reaction..

 

[briones122692]

i think this is so ugly, just like Vetements this season! why would anyone want to dress like this is beyond me,

 

[briones122692]

balenciaga was way better with Nicolas, now that was fashion, his collections were so chic

 

[Spike413]

I'm sorry, but almost this entire collection could conceivably be from SO many designers. It's just...clothing.

 

[fashionista-ta]

Oh wow ... well, at least no one can accuse it of looking like everything else. Where else could you go to look like a pregnant businesswoman who stole some panniers from a museum?

 

[fierceboi]

i really don't get the hate here. this is amazing for a big fashion house like Balenciaga.

this feels like a revolution! even it's just clothes you finally want to wear for everyday life. it's very rock'n roll 2.0 - and no: it's not too try hard, there is a lot of modern sexyness in it.

thank god, something that oozes a hint of wildness. that's how young people want to dress like right now. not in the past - not in the far future. this is now.

finally a designer in 2016 who pushes is OWN vision - and don't give a f*** about what people think.

i really like Demnas spirit and the guts to go his way even if i don't love all of his creations.

But he is able to make clothes that real people want to wear. the sportswear, the trenchcoats and the bags (absolutely great!) will just fly from the shelves like the new gucci or the new Saint Laurent.

Sometimes i ask me how the people who write here on TFS walk around fashionwise. all in fancy ballgowns with elaborated high heels and the it-bag of the season. so so boring.

The most funny thing will be that in one or two years most people who are writing here how ugly all this is, will start to rave about the new Balenciaga. It's the same with Micheles Gucci. Nobody seemed to like his vision on the first sight - but with his big success they started to revise their verdicts - even start to buy his creations (i know many of these hypocritical people).

It takes just longer to see the special magic of a visionary. Demna is one of them.

no doubt what you see here is strong and new. and that is something 99% of the other designers nowadays is lacking. Alex Wang included.

Many thanks for this brave, but also just logical and totally wearable collection

am on the same page. totally get what you mean !

 

[Nomar]

This is like Vetements for an older woman. You can definitely see Demna's influence and like Alessandro's Gucci the DNA of the house has changed. From the runway to the silhouettes to the models, it's interesting to see. This new Balenciaga woman seems a lot colder and serious and I also get this strong Eastern European vibe. The puffer jackets with the tailored trousers and large expensive earrings is fantastic and maybe Lotta styled this collection but whoever it was I do like it. Does anyone know?

This collection is growning on me and the more I look at it, the more I like it. There are so many nice pieces but I just hate those horrendous chain sunglasses, other than that it's a solid collection and I'm excited to see where this goes.

 

[Fashionstuff]

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This is like Vetements for an older woman. You can definitely see Demna's influence and like Alessandro's Gucci the DNA of the house has changed. From the runway to the silhouettes to the models, it's interesting to see. This new Balenciaga woman seems a lot colder and serious and I also get this strong Eastern European vibe. The puffer jackets with the tailored trousers and large expensive earrings is fantastic and maybe Lotta styled this collection but whoever it was I do like it. Does anyone know?

This collection is growning on me and the more I look at it, the more I like it. There are so many nice pieces but I just hate those horrendous chain sunglasses, other than that it's a solid collection and I'm excited to see where this goes.

It is all horrendous, not only chain sunglasses. I can't imagine myself wearing this clothes and i'm not the young girl , and i'm not going to wear his Vetements .
Michele's Gucci is bold. Not every Piece, not every look but there are many bold pieces in every collection, and i don't speak now about bags, belts, shoes because this all is perfect. Michele's clothes are really good, the Dresses are looking ugly but the rest is beautiful.
Gvasalia's Balenciaga is bad. IMO. It is new because nobody did so ugly clothes before him.
The women who will wear it- if she will wear it- will look horrible. this Kind of clothes could be super trendy but sincerely, i can't imagine one real women wearing it.
Of course , this collection can't Forget so easy as many anothers because of ugliness , because this is unique .
( damn, i don't know how to do screenshot, Demna has wrote how he see his Balenciaga collection, it's not what he did at least)

Balenciaga is ugly. I want see one women in this clothes. Not Advertising with photoshop but real women, and it's not important how old-young she is. Simply one women in this horrible suit.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ It won't be me